ziggyg 2 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 great read It is no secret that Alabama fans suffer from a superiority syndrome. Their hatred for everything Auburn is a close second to their arrogance.Auburn’s national championship run this year has left a bitter taste in the mouths of many Tide fans. There have been articles about “Auburn’s 15 minutes of fame"; numerous people have commented that they will be glad when Auburn returns to mediocrity. This article will examine the validity of these ideas. There is no doubt that Alabama has enjoyed a storied history. Of course, what many Tide fans want to overlook is that Auburn has as well. The thing is that what happened in 1926 has nothing to do with today. Greece was a military power in 320 BC. What is more important is recent history. 1982 ushered in a new era in Auburn history. Auburn snapped a nine game losing streak against Alabama. Since that time, Auburn has clearly been the more successful team. Auburn’s overall record for that time is 250-98-5 compared to Alabama’s 247-110-2. The strength of schedule for both teams is close, 5.08 for Auburn and 5.30 for Alabama. Auburn has an advantage over Alabama in head to head play with a 17-12 record in the Iron Bowl. It does not stop there. Myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickerman97 3 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. It's just like someone pointing out Auburn has a better record against bama the last decade but at the same time you can say bama's won 2 out of the last three. Would you have been saying that before this season? On this site it shows from 2000-2009 Auburn is ranked 1 spot ahead of Alabama. Click here Now from the 1980s through 1999 the stats are being updated, but I'm guessing it's somewhat similar to that. I wouldn't say there is any front runner between ALabama and Auburn. Both teams have had a lot of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cehuff21 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Because that would be all time record. His point was in recent memory Auburn has had more success not all time. All time we know Bama has had more success and he knows that. That's why he didn't use that stat. I thought that was pretty obvious. That stat would make no sense with his point being since 1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Because that would be all time record. His point was in recent memory Auburn has had more success not all time. All time we know Bama has had more success and he knows that. That's why he didn't use that stat. I thought that was pretty obvious. That stat would make no sense with his point being since 1982 Yeah which is why I've pointed out that since the 1980's it hasn't been all Auburn. Both teams have had success and had great seasons. I would say Auburn has pulled right up equal to Bama since the 1980s, not surpassing them. It just shows both teams have trouble accepting that they share the state with another powerhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cehuff21 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Because that would be all time record. His point was in recent memory Auburn has had more success not all time. All time we know Bama has had more success and he knows that. That's why he didn't use that stat. I thought that was pretty obvious. That stat would make no sense with his point being since 1982 Yeah which is why I've pointed out that since the 1980's it hasn't been all Auburn. Both teams have had success and had great seasons. I would say Auburn has pulled right up equal to Bama since the 1980s, not surpassing them. It just shows both teams have trouble accepting that they share the state with another powerhouse. I did not say Auburn has had more success the writer did. I'm just telling you what he said. In the last 25 years I would say we are about equal in the last 10-15 I'd say Auburn has dominated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Because that would be all time record. His point was in recent memory Auburn has had more success not all time. All time we know Bama has had more success and he knows that. That's why he didn't use that stat. I thought that was pretty obvious. That stat would make no sense with his point being since 1982 Yeah which is why I've pointed out that since the 1980's it hasn't been all Auburn. Both teams have had success and had great seasons. I would say Auburn has pulled right up equal to Bama since the 1980s, not surpassing them. It just shows both teams have trouble accepting that they share the state with another powerhouse. I did not say Auburn has had more success the writer did. I'm just telling you what he said. In the last 25 years I would say we are about equal in the last 10-15 I'd say Auburn has dominated Regardless I find it humorous that both fanbases cannot accept the other teams success. I guess that's what you get with a rivalry this intense. lol I agree with you that Auburn has been dominant head to head the past 10 or so years, but that's why we play the game, things can change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cehuff21 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes it arrogant for Bama fans to try and look down on Auburn but I think its just as bad to be hypocritical and to try to prove Auburn's a better program. From my point of view looking at it is that in an overall sense Alabama may hold an edge on Auburn but both programs are still top notch. This "superiority complex" that some Alabama fans have may be true but some Auburn fans may have an "inferiority complex". I've seen a lot of articles about how Alabama fans are congratulating Auburn fans for their season (actually saw it on one of the bham news channels)but then again there are the ones who try to badmouth Auburn. Let me state this is my opinion you are entitled to think whatever you want. The article seems to have favorable stats for Auburn and purposely meant to look bad for Alabama. Why doesn't it just show that Auburn has a winning record against every SEC team except LSU and Alabama and Alabama has a winning record against every SEC team? Because that would be all time record. His point was in recent memory Auburn has had more success not all time. All time we know Bama has had more success and he knows that. That's why he didn't use that stat. I thought that was pretty obvious. That stat would make no sense with his point being since 1982 Yeah which is why I've pointed out that since the 1980's it hasn't been all Auburn. Both teams have had success and had great seasons. I would say Auburn has pulled right up equal to Bama since the 1980s, not surpassing them. It just shows both teams have trouble accepting that they share the state with another powerhouse. I did not say Auburn has had more success the writer did. I'm just telling you what he said. In the last 25 years I would say we are about equal in the last 10-15 I'd say Auburn has dominated Regardless I find it humorous that both fanbases cannot accept the other teams success. I guess that's what you get with a rivalry this intense. lol I agree with you that Auburn has been dominant head to head the past 10 or so years, but that's why we play the game, things can change "These things are cyclical" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyg 2 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 I dont mind Auburn and Alabama being mentioned as the Duke and North Carolina of Football. Thats a very fair comparison. Both great programs with history and each are going to get there share of lime light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 In the five seconds I happened to be on FB, I heard the typical bammer fan attacking Auburn for our success and stated it will be another 53 years before we win another national championship. We've come a long way from never have won a championship and never will to 53 year before another one. Way to go Chiz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I don't have a problem with admitting that Auburn and Alabama have been playing pretty even since '82, with natural ups and downs in any given year. I just can't stand those Bammers who won't admit it. Auburn may have a slight edge in the head-to-head in that time, but Bama leads in number of coaches, NCAA infractions, and Fulmer Award rankings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdawg 5 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 If you take out the 25 years Byrant was at Bama then Auburn leads the head-to-head. But we can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 and if we take away Auburn's best 25 year stretch? I mean common you can throw out stats to make any side look more favorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,509 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 And ... there is simply no denying that AU looks more favorable since 1982. WDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. I'll give you one where bama is ahead but I don't think you will consider it good......bama currently has more sports teams on probation at the same time than any school in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships? Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. And head to head AU leads 17-12. So what dominance are you taking about man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,509 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships? Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. So what dominance are you taking about man? Newsflash for ya there bammie: vacated "wins" are not really considered wins ... at least not in the way that you would think about a team legitimately competing & winning. Only the most delusional fan would still be calling victories vacated for cheating, "wins." uat does lead AU in vacated "wins" since 1982 -- by far. You've got to be proud of that stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships? Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. So what dominance are you taking about man? Newsflash for ya there bammie: vacated "wins" are not really considered wins ... at least not in the way that you would think about a team legitimately competing & winning. Only the most delusional fan would still be calling victories vacated for cheating, "wins." uat does lead AU in vacated "wins" since 1982 -- by far. You've got to be proud of that stat. Wow which is why I didn't add the wins in, I simply pointed out that they were not a part of what I was counting so I wouldn't be accused of doing so. Great job of being able to keep up a good discussion without being able to formulate a counter besides a cheap shot. I'm not here trying to stir trouble just trying to have an intelligent discussion with accurate stats and what not, but I'm going to be honest about what I think and defending my team when I feel it's just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships?--on the field BSC NCs, Auburn 1--bama 1. Poll NCs, bama 1 (1993)-[color="#FF0000"]Auburn 1 (2004)[/color] Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. And head to head AU leads 17-12. So what dominance are you taking about man?--I didn't use the word domimance, I said "better" and as you say, we are better in these categories. It's bama who claims to be dominamt when they are even ahead. Comments in red. Is that all you got. I thought you said it was easy to prove each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleDrill 178 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 How about not taking out any years, and just looking at facts? BCS Championships: Alabama 1 - Auburn 1 SEC Championships: Alabama 3 - Auburn 2 Alabama's bowl record in the last 10 years? 5-3 Auburn's bowl record in the last 10 years? 7-2 Overall Iron Bowl record: Alabama 40 - Auburn 34 - 1 Tie Iron Bowl last 10 years: Alabama 3 - Auburn 7 All-time IB record at Tuscaloosa? Alabama 1 - Auburn 7 All-time IB record at Auburn? Alabama 3 - Auburn 7 Just saying...if there is any "gap" at all between the programs, it is not much. The whole Auburn is "Alabama's little brother" thing is simply delusional. Been the other way around for at least a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships?--on the field BSC NCs, Auburn 1--bama 1. Poll NCs, bama 1 (1993)-[color="#FF0000"]Auburn 1 (2004)[/color] Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. And head to head AU leads 17-12. So what dominance are you taking about man?--I didn't use the word domimance, I said "better" and as you say, we are better in these categories. It's bama who claims to be dominamt when they are even ahead. Comments in red. Is that all you got. I thought you said it was easy to prove each side. My mistake but I find it funny that I'm getting laughed at for even bringing up vacated win's witha poll nc being counted for Auburn (and I completely agree with you on 2004). Like Bama fans there are Auburn fan who are ignorant but some on this board cannot take off their orange and blue sunglasses, but for the most part the fans on this board have been pretty intelligible (including u ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 How about not taking out any years, and just looking at facts? BCS Championships: Alabama 1 - Auburn 1 SEC Championships: Alabama 3 - Auburn 2 Alabama's bowl record in the last 10 years? 5-3 Auburn's bowl record in the last 10 years? 7-2 Overall Iron Bowl record: Alabama 40 - Auburn 34 - 1 Tie Iron Bowl last 10 years: Alabama 3 - Auburn 7 All-time IB record at Tuscaloosa? Alabama 1 - Auburn 7 All-time IB record at Auburn? Alabama 3 - Auburn 7 Just saying...if there is any "gap" at all between the programs, it is not much. The whole Auburn is "Alabama's little brother" thing is simply delusional. Been the other way around for at least a decade. Agreed to me its been pretty dead even since the 80s with Auburn having a big run in the 2000's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,509 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships? Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. So what dominance are you taking about man? Newsflash for ya there bammie: vacated "wins" are not really considered wins ... at least not in the way that you would think about a team legitimately competing & winning. Only the most delusional fan would still be calling victories vacated for cheating, "wins." uat does lead AU in vacated "wins" since 1982 -- by far. You've got to be proud of that stat. Wow which is why I didn't add the wins in, I simply pointed out that they were not a part of what I was counting so I wouldn't be accused of doing so. Great job of being able to keep up a good discussion without being able to formulate a counter besides a cheap shot. I'm not here trying to stir trouble just trying to have an intelligent discussion with accurate stats and what not, but I'm going to be honest about what I think and defending my team when I feel it's just. Of course you can't add them in ... that's because of what I've been trying to tell you -- they AINT "wins." So, stop calling 'em that. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolltide316 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Pre-1982 Bama was the better program Post-1982 Auburn is the better program It's simple really. I don't think it's as simple as that. You can easily prove each side. OK, if it's that simple to prove each side, tell me one major category where bama is better than Auburn since 1982. National Championships? Also Auburn barely edges out Alabama in overall wins during that time and thats after the win's taken away in 2005-2007. So what dominance are you taking about man? Newsflash for ya there bammie: vacated "wins" are not really considered wins ... at least not in the way that you would think about a team legitimately competing & winning. Only the most delusional fan would still be calling victories vacated for cheating, "wins." uat does lead AU in vacated "wins" since 1982 -- by far. You've got to be proud of that stat. Wow which is why I didn't add the wins in, I simply pointed out that they were not a part of what I was counting so I wouldn't be accused of doing so. Great job of being able to keep up a good discussion without being able to formulate a counter besides a cheap shot. I'm not here trying to stir trouble just trying to have an intelligent discussion with accurate stats and what not, but I'm going to be honest about what I think and defending my team when I feel it's just. Of course you can't add them in ... that's because of what I've been trying to tell you -- they AINT "wins." So, stop calling 'em that. It's that simple. Okay which is why I didn't? I simply said I didn't count them so when I explained that Auburn had an edge in head to head you did not think I was counting the vacated wins. This wasn't the direction this discussion was meant to go..I guess you couldn't keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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