One quick post...

[BamaGrad03 0]

Contrary to what some may think, my absence from here recently has nothing to do with the fact that you guys won the title game a couple weeks ago or that you went undefeated.

My presence here became scarce back when the Cecil/Cam stuff started going down. I have my own feelings about the situation, and out of respect for this board, out of respect for the people here whom I've had good discourse with over the years, and out of personal respect for Rob, I've chosen to stay quiet and just not be around. You guys had a great year on the field, and you deserve the opportunity to enjoy it without me arguing off the field issues and such.

I haven't gone anywhere and I'll be back. I never missed a day during your 6 year run on us, so I'm certainly not going to shy away from the board just because you guys had a 14-0 season.

I'll be back, I just want Auburn (and me) to have some time to get separated from this Cam stuff...because I feel it unfair to yall if I don't.

Cheers and congrats.

[vatz22au 142]

Appreciate the congrats.

But sorry if I take your post as," Hey... I haven't posted in awhile because I think Cam and you guys cheated, but congrats anyways!"

[tidesnightmare 0]

Why did you even post this? Everybody has their own opinion to what happen. I could really care less what you think or what other bama fans thinks. I think a majority of the bama fan base is a joke but that's my opinion.

[WarEagle123 28]

Thank you Bama Grad. That is a very classy post. I am curious to hear your opnion on the matter though since Bama has a long history of shady off the field situations.

[MDM4AU 337]

I heard Shane from Centerpoint had hired you as assistant cheif investigator for his website.

[BamaGrad03 0]

Appreciate the congrats.

But sorry if I take your post as," Hey... I haven't posted in awhile because I think Cam and you guys cheated, but congrats anyways!"

I honestly didn't mean it that way. You're going to think what you think, and I'm going to think what I think.

But I want you to enjoy your season without me bickering with everyone on the board about what I think about the off the field stuff.

And if this happened at Bama, you can't honestly say you'd think we were innocent. So given that fact, be it human nature or whatever, I didn't think it fair for me to water down what otherwise was a historic season for you guys. That's all. I didn't mean anything else by it.

I heard Shane from Centerpoint had hired you as assistant cheif investigator for his website

Wait, Shane has a website? I wasn't entirely sure he could spell "Internet."

[aumorgan21 0]

Appreciate the congrats.

But sorry if I take your post as," Hey... I haven't posted in awhile because I think Cam and you guys cheated, but congrats anyways!"

That's exactly how I took it!

[mcgufcm 4,109]

BG, 'preciate the congrats. I knew you'd be around by spring practice anyway. Look forward to jawing with you when you're back full time.

That said, any Bama fan offering condescending remarks about Cam when Bama is less than a decade removed from slave tra... er, I mean, buying Albert Means, can keep their remarks to themselves. Until any information implicates Auburn in any way or any information surfaces that Cecil actually received benefits from MSU, I could care less if folks dislike the "punishment" handed down.

[BamaGrad03 0]

That said, any Bama fan offering condescending remarks about Cam when Bama is less than a decade removed from slave tra... er, I mean, buying Albert Means, can keep their remarks to themselves. Until any information implicates Auburn in any way or any information surfaces that Cecil actually received benefits from MSU, I could care less if folks dislike the "punishment" handed down.

I think you know me better than that. I'm pretty objective about these things. And like I said, I have my opinions. And I think its safe to say Auburn is fairly excited about Cecil being gone once Cam leaves. And I could offer my position on this without being condescending. But given the fact that I'm a Bama fan on an Auburn board, there's no way it could end well. So I just removed myself.

You and I could sit down and discuss it over a beer without us getting angry. But on this site, there's too many things that could get twisted. Just aint worth it.

And as an aside...just because Alabama has had its struggles in the past, namely the Means situation which we paid mightily for, doesn't make Auburn's situation any more or less wrong. The two are mutually exclusive.

[WarTiger 4,014]

what Auburn situation might that be? NONE of this has anything to do with Auburn, and never has. Contrary to what joe schad and jesse palmer and the rest of the hack journalists want to tell you, there is no investigation into Auburn in regards to anything. NOTHING. They may be investigating rogers, and bond and likely Mississippi State, but it has nothing to do with Auburn and never has.

[tigertail07 2]

I dont realize how the bammers cant figure out that it was miss state that was talking about paying cam not auburn>.... never was auburn talking of paying him?? I understand you coming and explaining your absence but dont bring this crap up like we have a stench of something on us from cam. Also to say we would feel the same way if it was happening in ttown is a joke cause you dont see us bringing up the fishing trip of julio and ingram or the textbook crap both of which got letters of inquiry from the ncaa.

ps. we never got one about the cam situation. let it go

[jw 4 au 526]

I think you know me better than that. I'm pretty objective about these things. And like I said, I have my opinions. And I think its safe to say Auburn is fairly excited about Cecil being gone once Cam leaves. And I could offer my position on this without being condescending. But given the fact that I'm a Bama fan on an Auburn board, there's no way it could end well. So I just removed myself.

We are all (or mostly all) grown adults here, that is no reason to leave for so long. Plus, your view point can't be any different that what we have already heard, from the minimal "Where there is smoke there MUST be fire" by Herbstreit to the "Fantasy Fiction Novel" displayed over on Tigerdroppings. I think it is safe to say you fall somewhere in between.

You and I could sit down and discuss it over a beer without us getting angry. But on this site, there's too many things that could get twisted. Just aint worth it.

Isn't there a beer emoticon for that?

And as an aside...just because Alabama has had its struggles in the past, namely the Means situation which we paid mightily for, doesn't make Auburn's situation any more or less wrong. The two are mutually exclusive.

I think the point here is the two are only mutually exclusive in the manner that Alabama is to MSU as Auburn is to Memphis in the two situations. I think that will be proven here in the next year or two when the "case" is closed and MSU and thier "boosters" go on probation. I have just as much proof for that as you would for any other scenario. For you to look down your nose at Auburn's season over this is not rooted in your past experience of Bama's "situation". Which means it must be something else, right?

[mcgufcm 4,109]

I completely recognize that the two are mutually exclusive. One person screwing up doesn't make it okay for me to screw up. Agreed. My point is that once that person has screwed up, they lose the right to point the finger at me and say "cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater." Other people still have that right... just not the first guy. My point is that Bama (of all people) has to sit on its hands with its mouth shut or it and those associated with it are hypocrites to the N-th degree.

I've expressed my opinion on the topic a number of times, but the summary is simple: no evidence actually pointed to wrong doing by Auburn University. As for suspending Cam, the NCAA didn't have a legal pot to piss in. If they did it, they get sued and lose. If they don't, they get hammered by the media. They were never going to bend the rules to get the outcome they wanted, and that's what it would've taken to suspend Cam. I think we did them a tip of the cap by "admitting" that Cecil violated the Agent rules. That's a stretch of the language, but it let them call it a violation. That's more than we owed, but it was easy to give up.

[StatTiger 3,188]

You got to be kidding me…

Why even post this? If you don’t want to post over here, then don’t. If you want to take a break from this board for your own personal reasons, then so be it. Why did you feel the need to explain your absence? Please save us the remarks about why you have not been here that much. I could care less if you think Cameron Newton should be or should have been eligible. I’ve heard enough hypocritical crap from idiotic Alabama fans this season to last a lifetime. I respect the fact you are entitled to your opinion but the fact you felt compelled to hint it was about Cameron Newton is total BS. There is no other way to take the meaning of your post other than “Congrats to Auburn but I won’t comment because of the Cam and Cecil stuff”.

This is an Auburn board and you have always been welcomed to this site whether some like it or not but I for one can live without a post like this. I’m quite sure if I visited an Alabama board and hinted that certain players on their roster should be questionable about their eligibility, I would be banned in a heartbeat. The SEC and NCAA made their decision so live with it. Auburn won the BCS National Championship, so I could care less whether or not you have feelings about Cameron Newton or not. If that’s why you are not posting than keep it to yourself and stay away or come on here and post your opinions.

Sorry but I’m entitled to my opinion too and your initial post was a load of crap!

[McWeagle 4]

And as an aside...just because Alabama has had its struggles in the past, namely the Means situation which we paid mightily for, doesn't make Auburn's situation any more or less wrong. The two are mutually exclusive.

Precisely. Your school bought a player. Our school accepted a commitment from a player whose father solicited but did not receive money from a completely different school, without said player's knowledge.

Your school did something wrong, and was punished. Cecil Newton did something wrong, and was punished. Our school and quarterback did nothing wrong, and were therefore not punished.

Now, as you admitted, you would rather accept the word of a former Mississippi State player... who was already under investigation for fraudulent activity of this very nature... over that of the NCAA, a university with a notoriously stringent compliance department, a major football program and a future NFL star, all of whom stand to lose a hell of a lot more than Kenny Rogers' life was ever worth... because you're a Bama fan. We get that.

And maybe you're right, maybe if the shoe were on the other foot we'd think and act the same way. But there's no way of knowing, because as you said, the two are mutually exclusive, and for a reason much more important than those listed above:

The Alabama/Means case, much like the USC/Bush and OSU/Pryor & Co. cases, dealt with those pesky little things known as "facts". Meanwhile, the Auburn/Newton story has always turned up an alarming absence of facts, evidence or any other reason to be suspicious other than that lil' ol' cow college Auburn having the best player, best coach, best fans and best team in the country.

And the worst part is, we snatched the whole damn thing from your little Napoleon-led McDynasty-in-the-making right at the absolute pinnacle of your success. Our Heisman winner was better than your Heisman winner. Our badass defensive lineman out-badassed yours. Our stadium rocked louder than yours did. Our coach did it faster than your coach, and for a fraction of the price I might add.

28-27. No probation, no Shula, no excuses. We beat you. We are better than you. And you are as good as you've ever been. Damn, that's got to hurt.

The Newton story was always just that... a story. I guaran-gosh-damned-tee you that in a couple years this will be viewed for what it actually was: a story about the perfect storm of sports media, social media and tabloid journalism. It's a story about the rest of the country wanting the SEC to still be as dirty as it once was, because how else could we be so dominant? It's a story about hack would-be journalists desperate to make a name for themselves; Geraldo Rivera and Al Capone's secret vault, if you will. It's the story about what happened in the public conscience after Reggie Bush. It's a story about a sad little has-been who made up the story that so many people wanted to hear. And, for the purposes of this thread, it's the story of one of many butthurt Bama fans who, like ancient people looking to the night sky, needs a mystical explanation for what actually has happened down here on earth.

[ValleyTiger 2,894]

I'll be back, I just want Auburn (and me) to have some time to get separated from this Cam stuff...because I feel it unfair to yall if I don't.

Why did you bring it up at all? Your acting as if you had some personal stake in Cam being declared ineligible.

[TitanTiger 21,151]

I honestly don't think BG intended to offend anyone. But there had been some questions raised about where he'd run off to and why he hadn't posted in a while so he popped in to say something.

[AURaptor 1,137]

My presence here became scarce back when the Cecil/Cam stuff started going down. *I have my own feelings about the situation, and out of respect for this board, out of respect for the people here whom I've had good discourse with over the years, and out of personal respect for Rob, I've chosen to stay quiet and just not be around. You guys had a great year on the field, and you deserve the opportunity to enjoy it without me arguing off the field issues and such.

* Translation: I absolutely think Auburn paid for Cam, and so as to not get everyone mad at me for saying so, I've been away and kept quiet. Enjoy your temporary title, while you can. RTR.

[tidesnightmare 0]

I agree stat. I don't post much at all but I visit this site least a couple times daily and if there's ever been anybody searching for pity or an excuse for not posting just because of the cam situation....... I don't need to post and discard my comment!

[StatTiger 3,188]

I honestly don't think BG intended to offend anyone. But there had been some questions raised about where he'd run off to and why he hadn't posted in a while so he popped in to say something.

If true, than simply post, it was for personal reasons. If he truly wanted to post his "congrats" then do it and move on. No... he came here and stated he has not posted because of the Cam stuff and felt it wasn't appropriate to bring up his opinions on "Cam" but by mentioning it as his reason, he did it anyways. In my opinion, the mere fact he mentioned Cam shows plenty of intent.

Again, I don't care if he or ANYONE else thinks Cam or Auburn is dirty unless it's the SEC or NCAA. I took offense to him posting congrats with a back handed comment about Cameron Newton. If you don't want to congratulate someone because you don't feel it was deserving than don't.

[cammycam 0]

How to congratulate properly:

CONGRATS, AUBURN PEOPLE FOR A GREAT SEASON!!

How not to congratulate properly:

I want to congratulate you but I don't really think you deserve it or at least I have to put a stipulation on it. I'm not going to bring up why I feel that way except to tell you that I'm not bringing it up by actually bringing it up.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

It's really best I don't comment here. Do I get a + Titan?

[BamaGrad03 0]

Guys I honestly meant no offense. Mods, feel free to delete the thread. It's done more harm than good apparently, and that certainly wasn't my intent.

For the record, I'm allowed to have personal feelings about the situation. And I doubt there's a single person here who would think Bama was squeaky clean had this happened at Bama.

Do I think Cam got paid by Auburn? I have no idea. Do I think he knew that his father was shopping him? Absolutely. To assume otherwise, while possibly accurate, requires more concessions and exceptions than not.

I did not want to get into this here. You all have had enough people messing with you over it that one more Bama fans dissenting opinion wasn't going to make things better. That's ALL I was saying.

And Stat, I've been here for 10 freaking years. I figured an explanation wouldn't hurt and that had earned the benefit of the doubt.

Guess not.

[StatTiger 3,188]

Guys I honestly meant no offense. Mods, feel free to delete the thread. It's done more harm than good apparently, and that certainly wasn't my intent.

Really? You did not want to bring up your opinions on Cameron Newton but you slid it in there anyways. Why?

For the record, I'm allowed to have personal feelings about the situation. And I doubt there's a single person here who would think Bama was squeaky clean had this happened at Bama.

No one said you did not have a right to your feelings. How did you expect Auburn fans to accept a post by an ALABAMA fan on an AUBURN board that basically stated... "Congrats on winning the national championship even though I see issues with Cameron Newton"? Just because you think Auburn fans would do the same if the roles were reversed DOESN'T make it right.

Do I think Cam got paid by Auburn? I have no idea. Do I think he knew that his father was shopping him? Absolutely. To assume otherwise, while possibly accurate, requires more concessions and exceptions than not.

Assume all you want... like I stated before, I could care less what an Alabama fan thinks about Auburn. I'm sure you could care less what I think and know about Alabama's program and their illegal activities in recruiting and paying players. I work with a former Alabama player that has told me stories on how Alabama has defeated the system for years. So think and believe all you want because it won't change what transpired on the field in 2010 just as what I know, believe and think will change what Alabama has done in the past and continue on with to this very day.

I did not want to get into this here. You all have had enough people messing with you over it that one more Bama fans dissenting opinion wasn't going to make things better. That's ALL I was saying.

No... you elected on your own to mention Cam Newton by saying you did not want to mention it.

And Stat, I've been here for 10 freaking years. I figured an explanation wouldn't hurt and that had earned the benefit of the doubt.

Guess not.

What difference does it make how long you have been allowed to post on this board? A BS post is a BS post. You thought you could make a back handed compliment otherwise, why even mention Cam Newton? If you wanted to say, congrats, then say it and move on. I would have more respect for you if you simply remained silent on saying "congrats". If others on this board want to accept your post as being sincere, more power to them but I'm calling it as I see it. If you don't like Cam or believe he is dirty, than start a separate thread. Why mix it in with congrats on winning a championship? As you stated yourself, Auburn fans have heard enough of this crap from Bammer fans, so why would we want to hear it one more time from you? You made the decision to post what you did and in the manner you did. Again, how did you honestly believe, you would not receive some negative responses? I thought you were more intelligent than that...

Guess not.

[AURaptor 1,137]

That's ALL I was saying.

And yet you keep talking.