Recruiting question?

[Tigermike 3,674]

The Nutt rule was passed and instituted because Houston Nutt signed 156 players one year. I think they are now limited to 25 in one year. They can sign extra but they have to count on the previous years limits.

Looking at & commitments and they both have a lot more than that.

Any thoughts on that situation?

[Rocket City Tiger 4]

Was the 25 limit rule (and excess counted on previous years) retroactive or was it henceforth? Meaning does signing over 25 and having to count overages against previous year's class really only count in next year's signing class.

[OldNewby 27]

It's Nutts & Honey for the Rebel Black Bears.

[Mikey 16,781]

A school can sign 28 a year. However, a school may only enroll 25 per year. Keep the "per year" in mind.

Let's go back to February, 2009. Auburn signed 27 players. Between players not making qualifying grades, a pro baseball contract and what not , Auburn only enrolled 20 in school for the 2009 class.

Therefore, that left five vacancies that could be filled between Jan.1 2010 and the 2010 signing day of Feb 3rd, and those vacancies could count back to '09.

We took early enrolees Curry, Moseley, Gayden, Newton and Holland and "counted them back" on 2009. A sixth early enrollee, Sanders, was counted toward 2010. In February 2010 we signed 27 more, for a total of 32 new players signed. However, with Richardson not qualifying and Shon Coleman's cancer issue, we came in at 25 enrolles for 2010 and for 2009, 20 on time +5 in January so 25 for that year too.

Note that last year (2010) we enrolled the full 25, so there is no "count back" available this year.

Now, this time we have requested that the NCAA allow Shon Coleman to count against the 2012 25/28 limits, since he will not be able to play this year. Whether they approve this request is anybody's guess, but counting someone ahead like that is a new one.

So next week we can sign 28 but only enroll 25 in school. The early enrollees such as Rose and co. can't be counted back because there are no 2010 slots available. They will count against 2011.

Have I made it clear as mud?

[AUFAN34 0]

Theres a lot that goes into this But I am getting a clearer picture. Thanks.

[cehuff21 0]

To make things easy.... You can sign up to 25 and you are allowed to fill in the gaps from the previous year's losses. That's pretty much it more or less

[metafour 4,976]

The limit is 28 in one class with 25 allowed to enroll on scholarship. You can sign more than 28 if you had open slots from the previous class (ie: you didn't enroll a full 25) and have commitments from players that are eligible to enroll early .

[mcgufcm 4,109]

Only thing to add: you can have 152 commitments if you want. You just can't give them all scholarships. Commitments are non-binding and basically unpoliced. Then apply the above discussion for the numbers you can take from all the guys that are committed.

[LegalEagle 22]

Only thing to add: you can have 152 commitments if you want. You just can't give them all scholarships. Commitments are non-binding and basically unpoliced. Then apply the above discussion for the numbers you can take from all the guys that are committed.

I brought this up in another thread, but did not adequately explain my question. How do you accept 30+ commits and then cull them out on signing day w/o upsetting those cut and making a bad name for your school? Couldn't you loose a commit because he is concerned he'll be turned out? It seems like poor management to me.

[mcgufcm 4,109]

Depends on whether you know the kid isn't going to qualify or not. I could see coaches taking a commitment and keeping the guy on the list even though he knows he can't get the kid into school. Seems like an ugly cousin to the Sign-and-Place practice of the last decade or so. It would be really dangerous to shock a kid by pulling his scholly at the end... can't imagine coaches doing that.

[ValleyTiger 2,894]

Depends on whether you know the kid isn't going to qualify or not. I could see coaches taking a commitment and keeping the guy on the list even though he knows he can't get the kid into school. Seems like an ugly cousin to the Sign-and-Place practice of the last decade or so. It would be really dangerous to shock a kid by pulling his scholly at the end... can't imagine coaches doing that.

Yeah it's still a "sign-and-place" type deal. You ask a recruit to "commit" to your school now in hopes that both parties will maintain that commitment if/when they leave prep school or junior college. The coaches still do a good job of letting other potential signees know how the numbers game will shake out.