Bama donation

[WarEagle84 0]

I made an assumption in another thread, and Proud Tiger challenged me on it, so here it is.

If Bama fans (nothing officially affiliated with the school) started a collection to show their displeasure at the updyking of the Toomer's oaks, would you accept and/or appreciate the gesture?

[ShocksMyBrain 9,519]

They can keep their money. Hell no.

[banditmwp 713]

They can keep their money. Hell no.

+1

To me, them offering compensation would be more like saying, "Yeah, we know he did it, but we'll buy his way out for him" instead of a gesture of kindness.

[autigeremt 7,123]

No, because the University of Alabama did nothing wrong here. One of their "mindless" supporters (football team) is responsible, and those who agree with him should be slapped.

[TigerStar 0]

There is a facebook group"Tide for Toomers" that is raising money. Over $3000 so far.

[tigertail07 2]

Don't complain about them being classless then turn around and be classless back when they try to show sportsmanship.... that's embarrasing for the auburn family they are trying to do right when they haven't officially done anything wrong

[tgr4lfe 220]

There is a facebook group"Tide for Toomers" that is raising money. Over $3000 so far.

[AURaptor 1,137]

First thought - hell no!

Second ... well, this sure would piss off the followers of the tree- killer. To see their own, reaching out to do something good ? With Auburn? That, to me, is petty neat.

Third... now that the eyes of the world are on them, a ( FEW ) bammers are thinking spin control, and this may be less than sincere on their part.

Fourth... let's see which raises more $$. Tide for Toomers, or Free Tree-Killer shirt sales. That'll be your answer.

Also, if UAT donates ALL or at least 1/2 of their spring game proceeds... I 'might' think about altering my views on them.

Probably no chance in hell that'll ever happen.

[lovemyAU 0]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

[stoic-one 1,586]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

No offense, but you do know that grass was seeded with annual grass don't you? They won't have to fix anything, nature will take care of it for them.

Our trees OTOH, are a completely different story.

[AURaptor 1,137]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

The shoe would never be on the other foot, that's what so many are having trouble understanding.

Fix the seeded score ? Are you seriously trying to compare the two ? A few dozen squares of sod , if they really want to 'fix' it, or just over seed with more winter grass, if they've not already done that.

They KILLED two 100+ year old trees !!!

You're really not thinking this one out too much, are you ?

[buzzard8900 0]

Don't complain about them being classless then turn around and be classless back when they try to show sportsmanship.... that's embarrasing for the auburn family they are trying to do right when they haven't officially done anything wrong

[Tigermike 3,651]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

The shoe would never be on the other foot, that's what so many are having trouble understanding.

Fix the seeded score ? Are you seriously trying to compare the two ? A few dozen squares of sod , if they really want to 'fix' it, or just over seed with more winter grass, if they've not already done that.

They KILLED two 100+ year old trees !!!

You're really not thinking this one out too much, are you ?

It wouldn't take a few dozen squares of sod - just throw out more rye grass seed and let it grow. What would be hard or complicated about that?

That is what has been so funny. The bammers have been rubbing their noggin's to figure out how to fix the problem. Just buy a bag of grass seed throw it out and turn on the water.

[AUloggerhead 2,506]

There is a facebook group"Tide for Toomers" that is raising money. Over $3000 so far.

How many donors ... 100,000?

[tigertail07 2]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

The shoe would never be on the other foot, that's what so many are having trouble understanding.

Fix the seeded score ? Are you seriously trying to compare the two ? A few dozen squares of sod , if they really want to 'fix' it, or just over seed with more winter grass, if they've not already done that.

They KILLED two 100+ year old trees !!!

You're really not thinking this one out too much, are you ?

It was a single person committing a single minded idiotic non affiliated act full of hatred. not they there was no they. its sad to me that most of you are old enough to be my parents but you get on here and are just as childish as college freshman. piss all over their idea to try and help us great way to show class

[WarEagle84 0]

You don't turn away blessings..I would like to think if the shoe was on the other foot we would do the same. If it is true that someone seeded the Iron Bowl score into their turf maybe we used tell them to use the money to fix that.

The shoe would never be on the other foot, that's what so many are having trouble understanding.

So are you saying it's impossible for a rabid AU fan to do something comparable? Like, maybe, destroy the Bear statue, paint it orange and blue, and hang it from the Denny Chimes? (If you don't like that example, pick another. Certainly there could be something you could conceive of as a moral equivalent to the oakicide.) While I believe most AU fans would never consider such a thing, I'm not naive enough to believe it's impossible for the shoe to be on the other foot.

So, answer the question ... what would you do if the shoe were on the other foot? Would you be grieved at the actions of a rogue fan and want to make some gesture to demonstrate we're not all like that?

I truly do not understand the mindset of some of the AU Family on this board. Maybe you have to live or work in close proximity to some really obnoxious bammers day in and day out, but most of the Bama fans I know are good people who just happen to be deluded in to cheering for the wrong team.

[TitanTiger 21,042]

When someone makes a kind gesture, even if you secretly question the motive or if it's 100% sincere, you act graciously and accept it. That's just how I was raised.

[WarEagle2 53]

Believe it or not the majority of Alabama fans are actually sane. There are a few bad seeds in every bunch who over shadow the others. The guy who poisoned the trees doesn't have the support of the rest of the fans, and Alabama wants to show that.

[AURaptor 1,137]

So are you saying it's impossible for a rabid AU fan to do something comparable? Like, maybe, destroy the Bear statue, paint it orange and blue, and hang it from the Denny Chimes? (If you don't like that example, pick another. Certainly there could be something you could conceive of as a moral equivalent to the oakicide.) While I believe most AU fans would never consider such a thing, I'm not naive enough to believe it's impossible for the shoe to be on the other foot.

See, the problem w/ your question is that you have to deal in hypotheticals in order to come up w/ anything coming remotely close to what bammer's have done.

So, answer the question ... what would you do if the shoe were on the other foot? Would you be grieved at the actions of a rogue fan and want to make some gesture to demonstrate we're not all like that?

I truly do not understand the mindset of some of the AU Family on this board. Maybe you have to live or work in close proximity to some really obnoxious bammers day in and day out, but most of the Bama fans I know are good people who just happen to be deluded in to cheering for the wrong team.

First of all, I don't live in AL, and don't give a flip about any of their ' traditions '. I try to pay as little mind to bama as possible.

Taping a Cam jersey on a statue ? Or placing a sticker on it ? Planting grass in a field of ... grass ? Harmless and non intrusive college pranks.

Concocting fanciful stories and rumors about AU players and coaches, and spreading that crap across the internet, fabricating 'evidence' to pass on to the ncaa in hopes of getting AU on probation.... there's a laundry list of things bama nuts have done which no AU fan would dream of doing. The murder of the Toomer's trees not only crosses the line, it obliterates anything else, by a long shot.

You come up with something that AU fans have DONE, actually done, that's in any destroyed or harmed anything in bama, on campus or related to their famed ( laugh ) tradition.

Please, inform me, and then we can talk.

[quietfan 233]

Fourth... let's see which raises more $$. Tide for Toomers, or Free Tree-Killer shirt sales.

That will be an interesting comparison.

But these folks sound sincere, and I think refusing them would just aggrevate the tension and throw fuel on the fire. I think we should be working to cool things off, not escalate the insults:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/toomers_corner_trees_tide_for.html

Tide for Toomer's website hits $8,000 to help save Auburn traditionPublished: Friday, February 18, 2011, 3:55 PM Updated: Friday, February 18, 2011, 4:09 PM

A Facebook page founded by current and former Alabama students who thought their efforts may cool down the red-hot Auburn-Alabama rivalry has grown faster than they even imagined.

The "Tide for Toomer's" page has attracted more than thousands of followers and raised more than $8,000 in less than 24 hours for the restoration project to save the trees at Toomer's Corner that were allegedly poisoned by an Alabama fan who bragged of his deed on the radio.

As Harvey Updyke sits in jail at the Lee County Detention Center, Tide for Toomer's continues to raise money is going directly to the Auburn Developmental Fund to help save one of the school's most treasured sites.

Clay Loftin, a former Alabama student from Prattville, said he and four others started the site to demonstrate the person who poisoned the trees do not represent Alabama fans. He said their expectations in the beginning were modest.

"We figured we'd have a couple of hundred fans and maybe raise a couple of hundred dollars just to show Alabama fans really do have class and support traditions, and that we don't support violent acts in our state, much less with our rivalry," Loftin said.

Loftin said the site was started because of the negative publicity surround the person who boosted he poisoned the trees on a radio show.

"We want to more than separate ourselves from `Al from Dadeville' because that is not what the Bama Nation is about," Loftin said. "We're all about tradition, all about the rivalry. Tradition is something you take pride in, and anybody who tries to hinder that is not someone who we're going to support."

And speaking for sportsmanship and de-escalation:

Coaches release joint statement: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/toomers_corner_trees_nick_saba.html

SGA Presidents release joint statement: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/toomers_corner_trees_sga_presi.html

Nick Saban releases statement: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/nick_saban_statement_regarind.html

[Duder 241]

Don't complain about them being classless then turn around and be classless back when they try to show sportsmanship.... that's embarrasing for the auburn family they are trying to do right when they haven't officially done anything wrong

+1

Accepting a monetary donation to help with the costs of saving the trees doesn't show weakness or imply it is OK. They are trying to do what they think is right. Stop being petty and spitting in the face of the good fans they do have. It is childish.

[FatherUppercut 48]

Bama fans don't have to donate anything. The only person that should really have to pay money is the guy that did it.

I think it's a nice gesture... even so.. this should be more about trees and the soil in that area, and what the tree represents to the fans. To turn a nose up to a group of people coming together to fix something that happened because one person is a nuttbar is just a little snobby in my opinion (actually, alot snobby).. and a step backwards.

I donated to the tide for toomers cause as a person that wants to see wrongs righted... as a group of PEOPLE (not football fans), we might can right that wrong. I love that area of Auburn.

[Clint 1]

The Tide for Toomers facebook page just announced that over $15,000 has been raised. Some true college fans are serious about this. What baffles me isnt the fact of so many thinking it was stupid, but how many people I know at school, even some Auburn fans, that think its funny. They all try to compare it to someone tearing down Dinney Chimes (which I know absolutly nothing on...). Thing there is that you can rebuild a 'chimes' or a statue. You cant just rebuild a tree.

[aucorner 0]

no, and resign from the SEC.....we don't need you anymore.

[AUn Collierville 1]

It's just a publicity stunt by them to try to save face and not look so stupid to the rest of the country. You will see this in the news but not the t-shirt sales or the defense fund effort. I would like to see Auburn tell them to donate the money to a charity like The Arbor Day Foundation in the name of Auburn University and forget about them.

Otherwise they are going to expect their own plaque or statue at Toomer's Corner.

Character does not change over night and if anyone thinks they are doing this for Auburn and not themselves, you are sadly naive. I wish they would just tend to their own backyard and quit worrying about and messing with ours.