like it or not.

[norcuron 35]

Take off your panties and put your big boy pants on for this one.

Yes, I just took off my painties, they were soooo comfy!

I hate on him all the time. I wish painful death on him daily. I hate on him and his distant cousin.

But honest... Would you like to have Saban as your coach?

How would you feel about him if he came to AU after Tubby left?

I encourage you not to deny the facts because of shades.

Just a mental exercise. Dont B.S yourself.

before ya post it, Im not a Chiz hater. Im not a closet bammer. I was just thinking about it earler. I looked at the backgrounds I looked at the records and IF I was the AD of AU I would have taken a shot at him....

Let the beatdown begin.

[Mattco 0]

Honestly no, I wouldn't want him coaching at a school I love.  He is essentially a mercenary who goes for money.  I hope he retires at Bama which means that he found a place that he loves and wants to stay at, but I am not sure that will happen.

While I am happy with Chizik, I really can't think of any other coaches that I like more.  I think Mullen will be a good one and would have liked him if he came to Auburn.  I would have liked Petrino also and maybe even Charlie Strong.  Outside of those guys, not sure who else I would have really wanted.

[AuburnGrad78 0]

I was about to start to list off about 50 reasons why Nick Saban is not fit to represent an institution like Auburn, but my time is better spent on other pursuits.  If what Auburn stands for means so little that you would sell us out to a coach lik that to win football games for a couple of years, maybe you should find another school to cheer for.

[paheadley 0]

No. While he's a good coach and a proven winner, I'd live in fear of the day i wake up to read about how much trouble he got Auburn in. Also, i love that we're recruiting student-athletes, and players with class at Auburn. I don't want a coach thats gunna blame the fans when we lose and continually crap on his players.

Remember: Hitler nearly took over and controlled the entire Eastern Hemisphere, but i wouldn't want him running the United States..

[Holland's Fro 0]

I dont like Saban. I dont like the moves he makes. I dont like the way he handles situations. But like it or not, he's the most successful coach in the business. He only accepts the best from his players and he's a perfectionist who loves to coach and loves the game. Hypothetically if we would've hired him, the only worry I would have is him leaving for money or a better job like he did to LSU and the Dolphins. I would've loved for him to come to Auburn, because he'd be doing the same thing Chizik is doing right now, which is bring us back to national prominence. Chizik is bringing us back by creating a family environment, forming strong bonds with his players and staff, and making respectable decisions that show the University in a good light. Saban isnt as family oriented, doesnt really seem to bond with his players, is all about business, and will do what it takes to win. We may not like the way Saban does it, but he creates winners, no doubt about it. That said, we didnt get Saban. But who cares, we got Coach Chizik and I for one am not complaining about it. War Damn Eagle!!

[norcuron 35]

Sorry friend, I knew I was gonna get lit up on this. You would be lieing to yourself to say that you would rather have CGC as your head coach then Saban ? My point is what would you do if you were AU's AD? My one question is who would you rather have running the team ?

And yes winning is everything!

[Holland's Fro 0]

Sorry friend, I knew I was gonna get lit up on this. You would be lieing to yourself to say that you would rather have CGC as your head coach then Saban ? My point is what would you do if you were AU's AD? My one question is who would you rather have running the team ?

And yes winning is everything!

If I were the AD in that situation, I would've hired Saban over Chizik. Chizik was coming off those bad years at ISU, and Saban already had a NC at LSU and a few years in the NFL. Saban would be the smart hire in that situation with his history of winning and building programs

[norcuron 35]

Honest, I started this thread cause yaw were not talkin about anything. I had to pull somethin out to mix it up.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

To me it depends on what kind of person you are. I'd compare to having a super hot, sexy chick that some believe is the hottest in town as your girlfriend. But the thing about this super hot, sexy chick is she spends here day sleeping around with everyone and anyone that comes along and is considered the trashiest and sluttiest girl in town. Your friends or family, it doesn't matter to her. Oh and she has a VD as well.

So the question back to you is would you date such a girl??? As for me??? HELL NO!!!!

Btw, for asking such a question, you should expect people to want to.....

(and yes. I made that gif just for this reply).

[telling tiger 156]

Honest, I started this thread cause yaw were not talkin about anything. I had to pull somethin out to mix it up.

Learn to live with the peace,quiet and solitude.

[norcuron 35]

Honest, I started this thread cause yaw were not talkin about anything. I had to pull somethin out to mix it up.

Durn great reply!!!!

Ya know in a fetish way, I want someone that will do everything it takes to win.

Thes kids are not signing up for their degree in "leasure boating" cause that is what they wanna do!

They wanna play ball. Im sorry, But 5 Star QB's are not gonna worry about calculus. I dont care if ya just robbed a church. If you are super skilled and can stop robbing churches while in school and make at least a 2.0 in basket weaving you are on baby!

Saban is makin $4mill a year to do one thing..... WIN.

Go ahead and lie...You know that we would have a thug as your QB if it ment a MNC.

Coaches care about character cause of scholly limits and police.

Ive coached ball, you know what I want? I want to win. I dont care if your kid went to every pratice, and the other kid is new. Im gonna put the best kid in.

dog eat dog.

[Mattco 0]

Ok, when we were looking for a coach, who would you guys have hired then, shortlist it to 3 coaches.

No particular order:

1. Dan Mullen.  I think the guy has the connections around the southeast now, has a great offensive mind which I think that Auburn needed and is young enough to grow with.

2. Turner Gill would have been a great political move.  I know some don't agree with it but I think he is a great young coach, my big issues were that he had no ties to the southeast being he has never coached in this area before.  If he was willing to hire more local coaches when he got here he would have pushed himself up for me.

3. Kiffen.  He was going to bring a great coaching staff with him, I just didn't realize what kind of trouble he would bring with him to UT too.  I am glad we passed on him and let him go.

As for Chizik, I warmed up to the idea of him coming back in about 20 minutes, granted it wouldn't have dawned on me to bring him back.  Either way he wouldn't have been on my shortlist.

[telling tiger 156]

Different things are important to different people. Just because you would accept him as coach doesn't mean everyone would. Just because you would accept a win in any way it happens doesn't mean everyone would. Saban has the ethics of a garden slug. If you're happy with that, remain happy.

[Mattco 0]

Honest, I started this thread cause yaw were not talkin about anything. I had to pull somethin out to mix it up.

Durn great reply!!!!

Ya know in a fetish way, I want someone that will do everything it takes to win.

Thes kids are not signing up for their degree in "leasure boating" cause that is what they wanna do!

They wanna play ball. Im sorry, But 5 Star QB's are not gonna worry about calculus. I dont care if ya just robbed a church. If you are super skilled and can stop robbing churches while in school and make at least a 2.0 in basket weaving you are on baby!

Saban is makin $4mill a year to do one thing..... WIN.

Go ahead and lie...You know that we would have a thug as your QB if it ment a MNC.

Coaches care about character cause of scholly limits and police.

Ive coached ball, you know what I want? I want to win. I dont care if your kid went to every pratice, and the other kid is new. Im gonna put the best kid in.

dog eat dog.

I will disagree with almost this entire post completely.  While winning is great, being competitive and producing good players/men is a better goal in the end.  If the fanbase is happy and proud of the program then all is well.  Alabama's fanbase demands winning, I think that the majority of Auburn's fanbase demands more.  Saban works at Bama because they gave them a key for every room and the car to do what he wants with.

All I used to hear about Tuberville was that he produced good men.  My main argument was that if the fanbase wanted a championship we had to get rid of him, he was a 8 to 10 win coach but that was about it.  I think if 08 had been 7-5 instead of 5-7 and the program hadn't been in such disarray internally, Tuberville would still be here.  The fanbase supported him almost blindly instead of holding him responsible for a lot of the offensive woes we had.

[Ronald McDonald 0]

I agree with Mattco. Auburn doesn't have a "win at all cost" mentality. That's not Auburn. Does Auburn and the people that make up the University, Football Program, and fanbase love to win? OF COURSE!! But is it everything? NO! And it shouldn't be everything. That type of mentality is for the NFL and it will eventually get you in trouble with the NCAA if you have that type of mentality at the college level. Auburn stands for producing quality young men that grow during their time at Auburn by learning to be the best that they can possibly be on and off the field. Whether thats win a MNC or not.

[Warbird82 160]

I think Jay Jacobs has had the right idea concerning his last four hires.  The main question he asks himself is this..."Is this person right for Auburn?"  To me, that is the most important question of all.  If the answer is yes, then that person will get all the support they need from the administration, school and fan base, and that will translate into success=wins!

If this football season turns out like we think it will (or better), Jay Jacobs is going to look like a genius...he's pretty much there now.  Keep it going Jay!

[Tigerbelle 5,299]

Nick Saban is not man enough to coach at Auburn. I would never want him associated with our program....except as an opponent that we frequently defeat.

[AUtigers2324 45]

I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore, I believe in work, hard work.

I believe in education, which gives me the knowledge to work wisely and trains my mind and my hands to work skillfully.

I believe in honesty and truthfulness, without which I cannot win the respect and confidence of my fellow men.

I believe in a sound mind, in a sound body and a spirit that is not afraid, and in clean sports that develop these qualities.

I believe in obedience to law because it protects the rights of all.

I believe in the human touch, which cultivates sympathy with my fellow men and mutual helpfulness and brings happiness for all.

I believe in my Country, because it is a land of freedom and because it is my own home, and that I can best serve that country by "doing justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with my God."

And because Auburn men and women believe in these things, I believe in Auburn and love it.

I think anyone that is employed by Auburn University should represent our creed and embody the qualities that Auburn was built upon.

[Weegle777 78]

That post should end the discussion on weeman, well done WWWDE!

[NoNC4Tubs 0]

Ok, when we were looking for a coach, who would you guys have hired then, shortlist it to 3 coaches.

No particular order:

1. Dan Mullen.  I think the guy has the connections around the southeast now, has a great offensive mind which I think that Auburn needed and is young enough to grow with.

2. Turner Gill would have been a great political move.  I know some don't agree with it but I think he is a great young coach, my big issues were that he had no ties to the southeast being he has never coached in this area before.  If he was willing to hire more local coaches when he got here he would have pushed himself up for me.

3. Kiffen.  He was going to bring a great coaching staff with him, I just didn't realize what kind of trouble he would bring with him to UT too.  I am glad we passed on him and let him go.

As for Chizik, I warmed up to the idea of him coming back in about 20 minutes, granted it wouldn't have dawned on me to bring him back.  Either way he wouldn't have been on my shortlist.

Kiffen?!?

Talk about a coach that will get you on probation......he had a part in USC's sanctions and was the cause of UT's current inquisition by the NCAA. He may just wind up getting USCthe death penalty before it's all said and done.

He is in his last HC gig....he better enjoy it while he can.

[kflah 0]

I get your point norcuron.  I HATE Saban and all that he stands for!  However, most (including me) on this board would not be complaining about his behavior and overall demeanor if/when he delivered a MNC to Auburn.  I don't care what anyone says, Saban would have been heralded as the 'greatest in AU history' if he had come here and done the same things. 

The guy has NO ethics and will do anything to get a 'W' - we all know that.  However, I just wonder how much we'd care if he was winning here.  Before we all start typing how we are a morally superior university and wouldn't hire him, compare it to this scenario:  would you be willing to trade a few years of future probation (no post season, scholly reductions, etc.) for a National Championship? 

I have to believe that most of us would make that trade, given how long it's been.

[Mattco 0]

Ok, when we were looking for a coach, who would you guys have hired then, shortlist it to 3 coaches.

No particular order:

1. Dan Mullen.  I think the guy has the connections around the southeast now, has a great offensive mind which I think that Auburn needed and is young enough to grow with.

2. Turner Gill would have been a great political move.  I know some don't agree with it but I think he is a great young coach, my big issues were that he had no ties to the southeast being he has never coached in this area before.  If he was willing to hire more local coaches when he got here he would have pushed himself up for me.

3. Kiffen.  He was going to bring a great coaching staff with him, I just didn't realize what kind of trouble he would bring with him to UT too.  I am glad we passed on him and let him go.

As for Chizik, I warmed up to the idea of him coming back in about 20 minutes, granted it wouldn't have dawned on me to bring him back.  Either way he wouldn't have been on my shortlist.

Kiffen?!?

Talk about a coach that will get you on probation......he had a part in USC's sanctions and was the cause of UT's current inquisition by the NCAA. He may just wind up getting USCthe death penalty before it's all said and done.

He is in his last HC gig....he better enjoy it while he can.

Absolutely Kiffen.  He was certainly on my short list last season when we were shopping.  Kiffen brings something that nearly no other coach can bring, a young enthusiasm and charisma to draw the recruits.  His problem, as we found out after the fact, was that he was entirely too loud mouth with no filter and had no preference as to whether a kid was piece of trash or not, if they were talented him he wanted them.

[Mattco 0]

I get your point norcuron.  I HATE Saban and all that he stands for!  However, most (including me) on this board would not be complaining about his behavior and overall demeanor if/when he delivered a MNC to Auburn.  I don't care what anyone says, Saban would have been heralded as the 'greatest in AU history' if he had come here and done the same things. 

The guy has NO ethics and will do anything to get a 'W' - we all know that.  However, I just wonder how much we'd care if he was winning here.  Before we all start typing how we are a morally superior university and wouldn't hire him, compare it to this scenario:  would you be willing to trade a few years of future probation (no post season, scholly reductions, etc.) for a National Championship? 

I have to believe that most of us would make that trade, given how long it's been.

I understand where he is coming from but I still don't agree with him and I don't think you will find many on this board that would agree with him.

[Barney 10]

I get your point norcuron.  I HATE Saban and all that he stands for!  However, most (including me) on this board would not be complaining about his behavior and overall demeanor if/when he delivered a MNC to Auburn.  I don't care what anyone says, Saban would have been heralded as the 'greatest in AU history' if he had come here and done the same things. 

The guy has NO ethics and will do anything to get a 'W' - we all know that.  However, I just wonder how much we'd care if he was winning here.  Before we all start typing how we are a morally superior university and wouldn't hire him, compare it to this scenario:  would you be willing to trade a few years of future probation (no post season, scholly reductions, etc.) for a National Championship? 

I have to believe that most of us would make that trade, given how long it's been.

I think your assumption is wrong.

[Tigerbelle 5,299]

I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore, I believe in work, hard work.

I believe in education, which gives me the knowledge to work wisely and trains my mind and my hands to work skillfully.

I believe in honesty and truthfulness, without which I cannot win the respect and confidence of my fellow men.

I believe in a sound mind, in a sound body and a spirit that is not afraid, and in clean sports that develop these qualities.

I believe in obedience to law because it protects the rights of all.

I believe in the human touch, which cultivates sympathy with my fellow men and mutual helpfulness and brings happiness for all.

I believe in my Country, because it is a land of freedom and because it is my own home, and that I can best serve that country by "doing justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with my God."

And because Auburn men and women believe in these things, I believe in Auburn and love it.

I think anyone that is employed by Auburn University should represent our creed and embody the qualities that Auburn was built upon.

You are absolutely right. And maybe this is just my personal standard, but I do not believe that a man can be considered a "winner" if success is achieved by cheating.