Reasons uat will lose 4 or more games this year.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

After the run uat has had the last couple of seasons, it seems that many of my Auburn brethern are buying into the hype about criminal tide. Considering this is an Auburn board, I for one have had about enough of the uat infatuation. Is weeman a good coach? Without doubt. Is he the greatest coach to walk the sidelines of CFB? Absolutely not.

After losing 9 starters (possibly 10 if Darieus doesn't make it back), uat is going to have to lean heavily on there offense unlike previous years. My opinion, the timing couldn't be worse for uat. I honestly believe your gonna see a dramatic drop off in uat's offensive production.

Let me take you back to 2005 and Al Borges' 2nd year on The Plains. The reason for the comparison is the offensive philosophies between Al and uat's current OC are quite striking. Both coach/coached under a defensive minded HC whose foundation for winning is: strong defense, sound running game, solid special teams, throw the ball by using play action passing, and don't beat yourself with turnovers. After losing his entire backfield to the first round of the NFL draft, alot of people expected there to be a major dropoff in Auburn's offensive production in 2005. However, instead of going backwords, Auburn's offense actually improved (statistically) in 2005 and Al was being deemed an offensive genius. Yet in his 3rd year, Al's offenses slipped from the top 25 and fell dramatically (all the way down to the 100s before it was over). Now what was the reason for the decline? SEC defenses catching on to Al was doing and creating schemes to stop it.

Fastforward to 2009. McElwain offense looked very strong last season and the uat ground game was a force to be reckoned with. Teams tried putting 8 in the box. Yet, once the uat back was able to get by the first level there would be nobody back to stop them once they broke free. Then along comes Auburn and its worst defense (statistcally) in team history. Auburn, playing a 46 defense (which places d-linemen in front of the center and 2 gaurds), did the same as many teams and put 8 men in the box. Yet unlike the other teams, Auburn had a sound defensive scheme. The key (for what was suppose to be one of the worst D uat faced all year) was 2 things, penetration and gap control. Instead of reading and reacting like the other defenses tried before them, Auburn was the aggressor. Now I'm not saying other defenses didn't try to be aggresive vs uat last year. However, Auburn used what I consider disciplined aggression. And by that I mean Auburn would shoot the gaps of the pulling gaurds and tackles, create penetration in the backfield, and then maintain there gap responsibilties on the back side not allowing any cutback lanes. Another thing I believe SEC defenses will do this year vs uat, is press the WRs at the line of scrimmage with a mixture of man and zone coverages. Don't be suprised to see to see team start to sit on uats 5 yard curls and quick slants. The goal is making uat throw over the top of defense and try for the long ball a whole lot more this year. This all is very similar to what happened to Al in 2006-07.

Now, as I previously stated, the loss of 9 defensive starters is going to hurt. They can say what they want about "stars and talent" but if they were better than the guys in front of them, they would have started. Remember, weeman doesn't care about experience. The better player always plays (atleast thats what he tells recruits).

Now when you add all of this up and throw in the fact that uat has got 2 shakey kickers this season, maybe your starting to see why I say uat will lose 4 or more this year. There is also that little fact, anytime weeman has won the SEC his teams have lost an average of 4 1/2 games the next season.

Hope I opened some eyes for the folks buying into the weeman and uat hype machine. Cause in 2010, Its on.

[AuburnGrad97 37]

I don't know about 4 games, but I definitely agree they will drop a couple this year.  McElroy cannot carry this team, and there will be a few games where the running game will be shut down (the Iron Bowl will be one of them).  Mediocrelroy will fold like JPW, and thus the meltdown in T-Town, Part 27 will begin. 

Better cut out the eye holes in your grocery bags, bammers.  Your day in the sun is over!

[AuburnTgr05 0]

I don't know about them dropping 4 games but McElroy has a stronger arm and is more mobile than Cox was.  Not really a fair comparison.

[NoNC4Tubs 0]

I don't know about them dropping 4 games but McElroy has a stronger arm and is more mobile than Cox was.  Not really a fair comparison.

I agree!

Their offense is very strong!

[auburn24 0]

I say that they will lose 2, maybe 3 games this year.

[Ed_ 3]

I say that they will lose 2, maybe 3 games this year.

You assume that it was the SEC catching onto Borges but could it also have been that Tubbs pulled the reigns in when things started going down hill a bit?  And that by the end of his tenure at AU Borges wasn't running anything like what he wanted to run?

Also I'm not going to agree with the 4 losses simply based on the loss of 9 starters and an arguable theory on why they will see a drop off on offense.  I will point out though their six SEC games where the opposition has a bye week the week before they play Bama.  That bit of scheduling in and of itself should be worth 2 losses. And if you have two others that come down to luck like their winning the AU or Tenn game last year then yes it could be a 3-4 loss season for them.

But don't delude yourself.  Saban has a hell of a lot of talent on that team and they will be major force in the SEC for the next few years at least.

[NoNC4Tubs 0]

I say that they will lose 2, maybe 3 games this year.

You assume that it was the SEC catching onto Borges but could it also have been that Tubbs pulled the reigns in when things started going down hill a bit?  And that by the end of his tenure at AU Borges wasn't running anything like what he wanted to run?

Also I'm not going to agree with the 4 losses simply based on the loss of 9 starters and an arguable theory on why they will see a drop off on offense.  I will point out though their six SEC games where the opposition has a bye week the week before they play Bama.  That bit of scheduling in and of itself should be worth 2 losses. And if you have two others that come down to luck like their winning the AU or Tenn game last year then yes it could be a 3-4 loss season for them.

But don't delude yourself.  Saban has a hell of a lot of talent on that team and they will be major force in the SEC for the next few years at least.

I remember hearing that Borges was going to “open it up” in the Arkansas game (don’t remember the year, but I remember the opponent) and Tubs told him “NO!”……..

[AUMedic 0]

I see Bammer losing to UF, Penn State, and AU..

[aurules16 0]

I dont see them dropping 4, maybe 1 or 2.

They have lost a lot on defense, very true but they have a heck of a lot of talent behind them in the depth chart.

[AuburnTgr05 0]

I see Bammer losing to UF, Penn State, and AU..

Dunno about PSU.  I can see them dropping UF, Arky and us.  I think our offense will be able to exploit their young-ish defense.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

Telling you guys, the SEC is going to scheme the fire out of uat's O this year. Do they have talent? Sure. However talent on the field doesn't always equal success. See AU 2003.

[Weegle777 78]

Telling you guys, the SEC is going to scheme the fire out of uat's O this year. Do they have talent? Sure. However talent on the field doesn't always equal success. See AU 2003.

They sure will brother, using the IB from last season as a blueprint.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

Telling you guys, the SEC is going to scheme the fire out of uat's O this year. Do they have talent? Sure. However talent on the field doesn't always equal success. See AU 2003.

They sure will brother, using the IB from last season as a blueprint.

Hello voice of reason.

[AUBwins 10,297]

the one unknown will be how mcelroy will react after losing.  He has never lost in high school or college.  He could completely crumble after that first loss.  I would think that he would be seasoned enough not to let that happen, but if it gets in his head that it could be the beginning of the end ... watch out!

[guerra aguila 0]

Alabama will win at least 10 games this year... they have a damn good football team and anybody that wants to take the West will have to go through them.

Now with that being said... Auburn is talented enough to win the Western Division this year... and they can certainly beat Bama.

Until somebody knocks them off, they deserve plenty of respect, and their defense did lose a lot of studs... but that offense is a ball controlled offense that will keep them off the field until they grow up as the season moves on.

Dont go believing that Nick Saban wont have these guys well coached and ready to play in 2010.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

Sorry GA but I just don't buy it at all. As I said above, his last 2 teams to win the SEC lost an average of 4 1/2 games the next season. They also didn't lose near what uat lost this year on the defensive side. As for the offense? See my original post.

[auburn4ever 1,266]

I don't know will beat them but, uat WILL NOT run the table nor win another NC.

[Weegle777 78]

You've also got to take into account that the hunger may not be there. These guys accomplished a perfect season last year. They have seen the top of the mountain, you can't climb higher and the only other way is down. Plus there are many teams that have off weeks before they play the turds. You have two or three big names that will be protecting their bodies for that big contract next year also, (See, Beanie Wells, Ohio State) (Ingram and Julio) so these guys may not go all out. There are many factors that say that they won't duplicate last season.

[telling tiger 156]

Funny how half of these posters have no problem dissing our D last year with youth,lack of numbers, injuries and inexperience have no problem defending the turd D after they lose that many starters.

[Weegle777 78]

Funny how half of these posters have no problem dissing our D last year with youth,lack of numbers, injuries and inexperience have no problem defending the turd D after they lose that many starters.

And the congregation said...AMEN!

[AuburnTgr05 0]

Alabama will win at least 10 games this year... they have a damn good football team and anybody that wants to take the West will have to go through them.

Now with that being said... Auburn is talented enough to win the Western Division this year... and they can certainly beat Bama.

Until somebody knocks them off, they deserve plenty of respect, and their defense did lose a lot of studs... but that offense is a ball controlled offense that will keep them off the field until they grow up as the season moves on.

Dont go believing that Nick Saban wont have these guys well coached and ready to play in 2010.

You must be a Bammer in disguise

[Droxside 0]

After the run uat has had the last couple of seasons, it seems that many of my Auburn brethern are buying into the hype about criminal tide. Considering this is an Auburn board, I for one have had about enough of the uat infatuation. Is weeman a good coach? Without doubt. Is he the greatest coach to walk the sidelines of CFB? Absolutely not.

After losing 9 starters (possibly 10 if Darieus doesn't make it back), uat is going to have to lean heavily on there offense unlike previous years. My opinion, the timing couldn't be worse for uat. I honestly believe your gonna see a dramatic drop off in uat's offensive production.

Let me take you back to 2005 and Al Borges' 2nd year on The Plains. The reason for the comparison is the offensive philosophies between Al and uat's current OC are quite striking. Both coach/coached under a defensive minded HC whose foundation for winning is: strong defense, sound running game, solid special teams, throw the ball by using play action passing, and don't beat yourself with turnovers. After losing his entire backfield to the first round of the NFL draft, alot of people expected there to be a major dropoff in Auburn's offensive production in 2005. However, instead of going backwords, Auburn's offense actually improved (statistically) in 2005 and Al was being deemed an offensive genius. Yet in his 3rd year, Al's offenses slipped from the top 25 and fell dramatically (all the way down to the 100s before it was over). Now what was the reason for the decline? SEC defenses catching on to Al was doing and creating schemes to stop it.

Fastforward to 2009. McElwain offense looked very strong last season and the uat ground game was a force to be reckoned with. Teams tried putting 8 in the box. Yet, once the uat back was able to get by the first level there would be nobody back to stop them once they broke free. Then along comes Auburn and its worst defense (statistcally) in team history. Auburn, playing a 46 defense (which places d-linemen in front of the center and 2 gaurds), did the same as many teams and put 8 men in the box. Yet unlike the other teams, Auburn had a sound defensive scheme. The key (for what was suppose to be one of the worst D uat faced all year) was 2 things, penetration and gap control. Instead of reading and reacting like the other defenses tried before them, Auburn was the aggressor. Now I'm not saying other defenses didn't try to be aggresive vs uat last year. However, Auburn used what I consider disciplined aggression. And by that I mean Auburn would shoot the gaps of the pulling gaurds and tackles, create penetration in the backfield, and then maintain there gap responsibilties on the back side not allowing any cutback lanes. Another thing I believe SEC defenses will do this year vs uat, is press the WRs at the line of scrimmage with a mixture of man and zone coverages. Don't be suprised to see to see team start to sit on uats 5 yard curls and quick slants. The goal is making uat throw over the top of defense and try for the long ball a whole lot more this year. This all is very similar to what happened to Al in 2006-07.

Now, as I previously stated, the loss of 9 defensive starters is going to hurt. They can say what they want about "stars and talent" but if they were better than the guys in front of them, they would have started. Remember, weeman doesn't care about experience. The better player always plays (atleast thats what he tells recruits).

Now when you add all of this up and throw in the fact that uat has got 2 shakey kickers this season, maybe your starting to see why I say uat will lose 4 or more this year. There is also that little fact, anytime weeman has won the SEC his teams have lost an average of 4 1/2 games the next season.

Hope I opened some eyes for the folks buying into the weeman and uat hype machine. Cause in 2010, Its on.

I for one agree with you, it could happen. It is comical how the media and most fans think you can simply plug in 9 new guys on a defense that was arguable on of the best ever. 6 guys got drafted and it will take time to replace them. Most importantly, the Tide qb's threw 9 Td's (count em 9, hard to do against air much less living and breathing people) against a very young secondary that faces Penn St, Arkansas, South Carolina and Florida early on and will get lit up. It could happen...

[The SandMntTiger 9]

Alabama will win at least 10 games this year... they have a damn good football team and anybody that wants to take the West will have to go through them.

Now with that being said... Auburn is talented enough to win the Western Division this year... and they can certainly beat Bama.

Until somebody knocks them off, they deserve plenty of respect, and their defense did lose a lot of studs... but that offense is a ball controlled offense that will keep them off the field until they grow up as the season moves on.

Dont go believing that Nick Saban wont have these guys well coached and ready to play in 2010.

You must be a Bammer in disguise

Na he probably just is just buying onto the uat hype a little to much.

Besides, it isn't like he said Brandon Cox doesn't even compare to the great Ginger McElroy or defendes uat's possible cheating by bringing up Auburn's probation history....You know.....bammer type responses.

[telling tiger 156]

After the run uat has had the last couple of seasons, it seems that many of my Auburn brethern are buying into the hype about criminal tide. Considering this is an Auburn board, I for one have had about enough of the uat infatuation. Is weeman a good coach? Without doubt. Is he the greatest coach to walk the sidelines of CFB? Absolutely not.

After losing 9 starters (possibly 10 if Darieus doesn't make it back), uat is going to have to lean heavily on there offense unlike previous years. My opinion, the timing couldn't be worse for uat. I honestly believe your gonna see a dramatic drop off in uat's offensive production.

Let me take you back to 2005 and Al Borges' 2nd year on The Plains. The reason for the comparison is the offensive philosophies between Al and uat's current OC are quite striking. Both coach/coached under a defensive minded HC whose foundation for winning is: strong defense, sound running game, solid special teams, throw the ball by using play action passing, and don't beat yourself with turnovers. After losing his entire backfield to the first round of the NFL draft, alot of people expected there to be a major dropoff in Auburn's offensive production in 2005. However, instead of going backwords, Auburn's offense actually improved (statistically) in 2005 and Al was being deemed an offensive genius. Yet in his 3rd year, Al's offenses slipped from the top 25 and fell dramatically (all the way down to the 100s before it was over). Now what was the reason for the decline? SEC defenses catching on to Al was doing and creating schemes to stop it.

Fastforward to 2009. McElwain offense looked very strong last season and the uat ground game was a force to be reckoned with. Teams tried putting 8 in the box. Yet, once the uat back was able to get by the first level there would be nobody back to stop them once they broke free. Then along comes Auburn and its worst defense (statistcally) in team history. Auburn, playing a 46 defense (which places d-linemen in front of the center and 2 gaurds), did the same as many teams and put 8 men in the box. Yet unlike the other teams, Auburn had a sound defensive scheme. The key (for what was suppose to be one of the worst D uat faced all year) was 2 things, penetration and gap control. Instead of reading and reacting like the other defenses tried before them, Auburn was the aggressor. Now I'm not saying other defenses didn't try to be aggresive vs uat last year. However, Auburn used what I consider disciplined aggression. And by that I mean Auburn would shoot the gaps of the pulling gaurds and tackles, create penetration in the backfield, and then maintain there gap responsibilties on the back side not allowing any cutback lanes. Another thing I believe SEC defenses will do this year vs uat, is press the WRs at the line of scrimmage with a mixture of man and zone coverages. Don't be suprised to see to see team start to sit on uats 5 yard curls and quick slants. The goal is making uat throw over the top of defense and try for the long ball a whole lot more this year. This all is very similar to what happened to Al in 2006-07.

Now, as I previously stated, the loss of 9 defensive starters is going to hurt. They can say what they want about "stars and talent" but if they were better than the guys in front of them, they would have started. Remember, weeman doesn't care about experience. The better player always plays (atleast thats what he tells recruits).

Now when you add all of this up and throw in the fact that uat has got 2 shakey kickers this season, maybe your starting to see why I say uat will lose 4 or more this year. There is also that little fact, anytime weeman has won the SEC his teams have lost an average of 4 1/2 games the next season.

Hope I opened some eyes for the folks buying into the weeman and uat hype machine. Cause in 2010, Its on.

I for one agree with you, it could happen. It is comical how the media and most fans think you can simply plug in 9 new guys on a defense that was arguable on of the best ever. 6 guys got drafted and it will take time to replace them. Most importantly, the Tide qb's threw 9 Td's (count em 9, hard to do against air much less living and breathing people) against a very young secondary that faces Penn St, Arkansas, South Carolina and Florida early on and will get lit up. It could happen...

Oh no you must only wear orange and blue glasses. Amazing how reality can still be seen through them isn't it. They will start one of the most inexperienced D's in the SEC. If they're so darn great ,why didn't they start last year? According to little nicky,only the best play. They must not have been the best huh?

[Barney 10]

Alabama will win at least 10 games this year... they have a damn good football team and anybody that wants to take the West will have to go through them.

Now with that being said... Auburn is talented enough to win the Western Division this year... and they can certainly beat Bama.

Until somebody knocks them off, they deserve plenty of respect, and their defense did lose a lot of studs... but that offense is a ball controlled offense that will keep them off the field until they grow up as the season moves on.

Dont go believing that Nick Saban wont have these guys well coached and ready to play in 2010.

You must be a Bammer in disguise

Pot, meet Kettle (Although, I really doubt kettle is a bammer in disguise)