Why you should always hate bammer if your an Auburn fan.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

I'm sure anyone who has seen any of my post realizes I have a pretty strong hate for Mullet U. I'm also sure some might think its a little unhealthy for a person to say he would probably pull for China, North Korea, and Iran in football before he'd pull for uat. Now with all that said (this actually started out as a response yet I feel like it would be good for people to have a reference thread), I know these articles are lengthy. Yet, if you are an ADD child (as I have been accused of  ) I suggest you read what you can when you some spare time. Years of history (atleast the true extent) can't be summed up in 4 or 5 sentences. I can promise you after you do read, you will never question another Auburn man's hatred for uat....

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15970

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23040

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15988

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25609

[auclong 0]

I'm sure anyone who has seen any of my post realizes I have a pretty strong hate for Mullet U. I'm also sure some might think its a little unhealthy for a person to say he would probably pull for China, North Korea, and Iran in football before he'd pull for uat. Now with all that said (this actually started out as a response yet I feel like it would be good for people to have a reference thread), I know these articles are lengthy. Yet, if you are an ADD child (as I have been accused of  ) I suggest you read what you can when you some spare time. Years of history (atleast the true extent) can't be summed up in 4 or 5 sentences. I can promise you after you do read, you will never question another Auburn man's hatred for uat....

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15970

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23040

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15988

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25609

Thanks for all the links. I well aware of these and other instances similar to these. John Thrower was a friend who suffered many demons. He also had much more information that for one reason or another was never made public. There are a number of AU people that promised John help he never received that should be ashamed and hopefully are.

When the "Bear" was named head coach at Alabama, the AD at Ole Miss made the statement to a QB club meeting in North Alabama that his hiring at Alabama would venetually force other SEC schools into doing things that would eventually get them in trouble with the NCAA but Alabama would never have problems as long as Bear was there because of his association with certain individuals that would protect Alabama(Byars) presumably. Telling all or even some of what I know is fact( I don`t worry about rumor) would take too long and serve no useful porpose. I just hope all Auburn people read and understand all that has gone on in the past. These articles are just a brief list.

GO AUBURN AND WHOEVER IS PLAYING BAMMER

[The SandMntTiger 9]

I'm sure anyone who has seen any of my post realizes I have a pretty strong hate for Mullet U. I'm also sure some might think its a little unhealthy for a person to say he would probably pull for China, North Korea, and Iran in football before he'd pull for uat. Now with all that said (this actually started out as a response yet I feel like it would be good for people to have a reference thread), I know these articles are lengthy. Yet, if you are an ADD child (as I have been accused of  ) I suggest you read what you can when you some spare time. Years of history (atleast the true extent) can't be summed up in 4 or 5 sentences. I can promise you after you do read, you will never question another Auburn man's hatred for uat....

Thanks for all the links. I well aware of these and other instances similar to these. John Thrower was a friend who suffered many demons. He also had much more information that for one reason or another was never made public. There are a number of AU people that promised John help he never received that should be ashamed and hopefully are.

When the "Bear" was named head coach at Alabama, the AD at Ole Miss made the statement to a QB club meeting in North Alabama that his hiring at Alabama would venetually force other SEC schools into doing things that would eventually get them in trouble with the NCAA but Alabama would never have problems as long as Bear was there because of his association with certain individuals that would protect Alabama(Byars) presumably. Telling all or even some of what I know is fact( I don`t worry about rumor) would take too long and serve no useful porpose. I just hope all Auburn people read and understand all that has gone on in the past. These articles are just a brief list.

GO AUBURN AND WHOEVER IS PLAYING BAMMER

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15970

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23040

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15988

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25609

Thanks for the futher validation sir and your last line says it all. WDE!

[Weegle777 63]

MUST READ FOR ALL AUBURN FANS! I hate the turds and always will.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Wow... as someone who didn't know what an Auburn was, until they recruited me (academically, not for sports), I had no idea.  This really brings a whole new perspective to the Cam saga. 

[Weegle777 63]

Yep, there are many who talk about the turds and defend them slightly when others on this site are hating on them. Maybe this stuff will shed some light on why most of us hate them with every fiber of our being.

[wiljam08 0]

Excellent read.  I have only had time to read the first one so far but I found it very interesting.  My grandad was a captian on Bama's team at that time.  (I'm sure everybody knows this by now as I have mentioned it a few times.)  We have talked about some of the games and what it was like, but this is an issue that never came up and I wish I could ask him about it now.  I'm glad someone corrected the guy who said that the Bear was behind the '56 and '57 probations, because no, he was not there yet.  Of course Whitworth was trying to save his job.  There were winless in '55 and not much better in '56.  The '56 MissSt. win was the first victory in almost 2 years.  My grandad was recreuited by both Red Drew and Ears Whitworth (maybe the OL coach Aubrey Fuller more than Whitworth.  He played on the frosh team in '51, started for the tide in '52, joined the army and went to Korea for '53 and '54, then came back and wen to Furman.  He never played a down for Furman as he and the coach did not see eye to eye (that is what he told me).  He transferred to Bama before the season started.  What I don't remember is whether he had already left Furman before Bama contacted him or if he was still at Furman when Bama re-recruited him.  Either way, he started in both '55 and '56 and was a preseason all-american in '56 but Bama sucked so hard he didnt make it at the end of the season.  Anyway, by today's standards there would have been all kinds of eligibility issues.  I remember asking him about the transfer, why he didn't have to sit out a year and I think  it either was not a rule then or it didn't apply because he was only at Furman for like a semester and transferred before the season started.  Anyway it sounded a little shady, but I do know that eligibilty rules were different then. 

I can not really comment on whether or not Bama coaches were paying players or anything as that issue never came up.  Although I'm pretty darn sure my grandad never got any money, he was there before Whitworth had to try to save his job.  I would like to learn more about the recruiting that went on during that time though.  Interestingly enough a lot of players from my high school played for both Auburn and Alabama during the 50's, including Dr. Nix.  Recent contributiond from my high school to each school were Jerraud Powers and rolondo Mclain.

[auclong 0]

Yep, there are many who talk about the turds and defend them slightly when others on this site are hating on them. Maybe this stuff will shed some light on why most of us hate them with every fiber of our being.

These are just the tip of the iceburg on bammer cheating. Having someone take a prospective players ACT and then lining up a schollie to Memphis or somewhere for that guy who wasn`t even a college level prospect. Courses so easy a player whose ACT to get him into bammer was taken by someone else and said player makes All SEC Academic team and no one raises an eyebrow. Bear and bammer had a lot of friends in Memphis and other places where bear`s friends coached. Not surprising most of bear`s proteges as coaches eventually ended up getting their schools on probation. They learned what to do but didn`t have the contacts to cover it up.

[AU-HANDLEY-TIGER 205]

I don't even have to read the posts, I'm all in with hating Bama. My Dad made me aware of the dregs years ago.

[Farmer Brown 2,386]

The story by Huie was told to me by my Dad. He was always an Auburn fan and that made him one for life.

[Guest FEARLESSANDTRUE]

I grew up when AU lost to bammer for 9 years straight.  Was teased unmercifully by a couple of young bammers I was growing up with.  I attribute my hatred of bama to them- Marlon and Freddy.  But as I became an adult, they hatred grew.  I'm with you- I'd pull for Iraq, Iran, or anyone else who plays bama.  I'm so thankful that we aren't the little brother anymore!

[Weegle777 63]

Is SandMountainTiger still around?

**Nevermind, I just saw that he posted on 1-10-11.

[4AUsince62 10]

I was born an Auburn fan in 1962, hence the name, so some will know what I saw growing up. Until high school I was one of only two people at school that wore an Auburn jacket; there was a third by then. Large schools in Montgomery by the way. I had people pick fights, call names; only people that have been through it can understand. I have tried to explain to outsiders and they look at me with disbelief. There are a few misguided good ones out there but they are rare as hens teeth. I am one who does not give in to peer pressure. I have a tendency to go against the grain. This is why I'm still an Auburn fan and when I die I will be a dead Auburn fan. I think these are some of the things that separate us from the pack. We do go against the grain. We do take the road less traveled. Mostly, we have self esteem and a life that is not defined by a college football program. I may love it but I do not put it above God, Family or Country. Sorry for the rant and WDE.

[Weegle777 63]

Great post 62, I grew up through the '80s and '90s so I experienced the Dye era just getting kicked off, but my hatred for the turds was fueled by basically the same thing. I never wavered from being an Auburn fan even through intense trashtalking by classmates. I read as much as I can about how much the turds cheated back in the '50s-'70s so I can understand what people like you went through back then.

[MichManFan1997 0]

Well, I hate Alabama and I'm not a massive Auburn fan.  I think many fanbases share a disdain for the stupid elephant things.

[3rdgen 2]

You should hate them because the governor of alabama comes to a celebration of a national title for Auburn and feels the need to mention the bammers.  That is the most recent reason to hate them.

[jsb29 0]

Wow... as someone who didn't know what an Auburn was, until they recruited me (academically, not for sports), I had no idea.  This really brings a whole new perspective to the Cam saga. 

They do this?  Seriously, I'm curious to know how kids are recruited academically.  Do they do it to make #'s look better or was it for a debate team or what?  I had no idea there was a such thing as academic recruiting.

[Tigerbelle 5,299]

Wow... as someone who didn't know what an Auburn was, until they recruited me (academically, not for sports), I had no idea.  This really brings a whole new perspective to the Cam saga. 

They do this?  Seriously, I'm curious to know how kids are recruited academically.  Do they do it to make #'s look better or was it for a debate team or what?  I had no idea there was a such thing as academic recruiting.

There is a lot of academic recruiting going on. bammer is handing out scholarships in science and engineering like you wouldn't believe. They want to improve their engineering school, and take away some of the brightest kids from Auburn and GA Tech. They are aggressively going after some kids like my son who is a very bright student. bammer has recruited several kids that you would think were a slam dunk to Auburn, including my niece and nephew who got full rides all the way through medical school. Auburn is not as free with their schollys, and most of them are partials.I know Auburn grads who are sending their kids to bammer because the offers are incredible. Bob Jones High gets a ton of academic scholarship offers for students every year....millions of dollars....and bammer is increasingly getting those kids. Auburn still leads, because there are lots of AU engineers here, but there is a lot of competition now. bammer wants to get a Rhodes Scholar first, and they are doing their best to get those kids in who can get it for them. My son just ignores all the bammer stuff, and we don't speak to bammer reps. He wants to go to Auburn, and we'll take what they give us. But he is getting a lot of attention from schools all over the country, including the University of New York. The contact with students and parents is amazing.

My nephew even got a full ride offer all the way from The University of Oklahoma. These schools are very concerned with their reputation as academic institutions, and they want those bright students who are academic achievers. Their Deans pour over  GPAs, SAT and ACT scores like coaches do film.

[Ronald McDonald 0]

Academic recruiting is hardcore. Ole Miss and Mississippi State recruit much harder than either Auburn or Alabama. Auburn lets its reputation speak for itself. The competition to get into Auburn is ridiculous now and its just getting worse. I asked to be taken off of the mailing list from UAT so I'm not sure how much they actually recruit.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

In case some have missed it. A little required reading for any Auburn fan.

[ww 0]

Whatever happened to Albert Means.  Did he ever play pro?  I'd be interested to know what he is doing now......

[AuburnTigerz1345163038 0]

I despise them, but hate is a very strong word for me (I have many bammer friends and family who are great people, but I despise the program they cheer for). There's no doubt, however, that the corruption runs deep in Tuscaloosa, always has and always will. I know we've had our so-called problems in the past, but as my father used to tell me "every time Alabama got caught cheating, Auburn would go on probation for it".

My father made a lot of connections throughout his time in Auburn, and he also learned about many of the SEC schools (minus SC, Arky, A and M and Mizzou at that time). He always said if people knew what went on behind the scenes at MOST of the SEC schools, it would turn our stomachs. We know and have always known about what goes on at bammer, but there used to be a lot of shady deals behind the scenes at Florida, Georgia and LSU back in the day as well.

It's too bad you can't convince the morons, though.

But they can keep trying to destroy us while they cheat all they want. It will come back on them eventually and we'll be the last ones standing.

[The SandMntTiger 9]

I despise them, but hate is a very strong word for me (I have many bammer friends and family who are great people, but I despise the program they cheer for). There's no doubt, however, that the corruption runs deep in Tuscaloosa, always has and always will. I know we've had our so-called problems in the past, but as my father used to tell me "every time Alabama got caught cheating, Auburn would go on probation for it".

My father made a lot of connections throughout his time in Auburn, and he also learned about many of the SEC schools (minus SC, Arky, A and M and Mizzou at that time). He always said if people knew what went on behind the scenes at MOST of the SEC schools, it would turn our stomachs. We know and have always known about what goes on at bammer, but there used to be a lot of shady deals behind the scenes at Florida, Georgia and LSU back in the day as well.

It's too bad you can't convince the morons, though.

But they can keep trying to destroy us while they cheat all they want. It will come back on them eventually and we'll be the last ones standing.

Man I so look forward to that day. Excellent post btw.

[Eagle Flight 0]

I'm sure anyone who has seen any of my post realizes I have a pretty strong hate for Mullet U. I'm also sure some might think its a little unhealthy for a person to say he would probably pull for China, North Korea, and Iran in football before he'd pull for uat. Now with all that said (this actually started out as a response yet I feel like it would be good for people to have a reference thread), I know these articles are lengthy. Yet, if you are an ADD child (as I have been accused of  ) I suggest you read what you can when you some spare time. Years of history (atleast the true extent) can't be summed up in 4 or 5 sentences. I can promise you after you do read, you will never question another Auburn man's hatred for uat....

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15970

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23040

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15988

http://www.aufamily.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25609

Every Alabama fan should be required to read the third post. Wouldn't change their mind for most of them, but those with open minds might realize the great tradition is based on a lie. It continues to this day. Live and work in TTown and have seen several violations that would get us in more trouble than we could ever get out of it. The Tuscaoosa High deal continued for quite a few more years through the Bryant years. They should also read the first post, as it gives a great explanation of ower probation in 1957, and their role in that.

[Tiger n Miami AU83 25]

Very good links. I am familiar with them all, having lived through some, reading the old article by the bama guy in the 40's, and having been told by my granddad how bammer got us on probation in the 50's (he graduated from AU - API - in the 40's).

For a brief summary of those that didn't click the links, they are from non-AU sources (mostly bama sources actually and the AJC), that give DETAILED narratives of the following:

1. How bama coaches got us on probation in 1957 and how the SEC stood by and did nothing. That one makes me the the maddest. It really infuriates me. We got TOTALLY railroaded and bama was behind all of it and we became a scape goat that did not get due proccess afforded us because the NCAA had just started "probation" and were looking to make an example out of someone, guilty or not.

2. How bama ruined a mans life who eventually committed suicide, all because he turned bama in for cheating. The Gene Jelks story that got bama their first probation.

3. 1941 article by a bama guy with intimate first hand knowledge of cheating on a massive scale that reached down into the high schools of alabama in an intricate system. Knowledge that eventually made him quit his position in the program at bama out of disgust.

4. The Albert Means story and probation.

This should be required reading for every bama fan, because it is important and all 100% true. Taken from bama writers, a person that was an important part of their system and employed by the university decades ago, the AJC, and finally records and first hand accounts of the players in the 1957 AU probation caused by bama in an attempt to end AU's domination.