Man on Fire

15 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Most of the time, if your guard is covered and you try and pull him, the DT will get on his hip and follow him to the play and make the stop in the backfield. Asking an OT to reach a 2 while the guard has pulled is ridiculous. It's not going to happen. The DTs are to quick and we'll coached.

Mr. bigbird is correct. You're better off trying to have your guard get across his face and run outside zone or read him, in my opinion anyway.

Also ridiculous, and this is burned into my memory, is to ask your backside guard try to come all the way across the formation and block Myles friggin Garrett... which Herb Hand asked Braden to do like three times vs TAMU that year.

9 hours ago, Jones Field said:

Interesting topic on the D front.

So how do you counter it?  

I'd try Pin and Pull, and outside zone....But we won't freaking run Oz except for a few random stretch plays. The First thing I'd try would be G-Lead because your tackle could try to down block that 4i and the Guard pulls outside to destroy the backer hopefully, or the safety, whichever threat comes first. 

I love Dart or Tackle Wrap but the angles may not allow for pulling the backside Tackle depending on where the NT is slanted to. 

I'm also assuming you could read the Nose on a midline read and let your Center get right on the backer... As long as it's not Kim, he has the worst footwork. 

54 minutes ago, wareagleguy said:

For those who may be interested in all this, what  @Man on Fire and @bigbird are talking about, here is another site that does a pretty good job of breaking it down at a basic level.

www.thephinsider.com/platform/amp/2014/3/7/5482102/football-101-defensive-line-gap-techniques

I was gonna just give you a thumbs up but apparently there's some sort of daily stipend and I've run out. Kinda annoying.

Anyway, I hope more Auburn fans take time to learn more about the game, good link. 

1 hour ago, bigbird said:

Very well could've been, but it looked like they were over the guards, but I haven't gone back to watch...nor will I.

 

We line up in a 4i/shade/5 called to strength. Sometimes we'll attach an OLB outside of the 4i in a 7 or 9 depending on the team.

 

Nice post.

Yeah you know it's real damn hard to discern from TV sideline angles, I just knew that Aranda was one of those guys deploying Tite...Either way very similar in principle.

Thank you sir, I enjoy gleaning from your knowledge. I'm guessing maybe you use the 7 and 9 when worried about a nub TE or some other possible danger of pinning a backer inside? 

1 hour ago, bigbird said:

Amanda went to a Bear front where the two guards and center are covered up.

Was most likey the TITE front. It's two 4i techs and typically the NT is slanted to one side or the other which determines the alignment of the Mike and Will. 

I mean I havent been able to go back and see whether it's Bear or Tite, but Tite front is the newest Chess move on the board and we've seen FOUR teams go to it to shut our ass down since the first GA game last year, those teams being GA in game 2, UCF, Washington, and now LSU.

LSU and Wash were already playing around with it last year and I'm assuming Kirby got tipped off by someone (lil Nicky and the giant turd related coaching tree including Belichik) because he immediately adjusted to it after getting the Dogg beat out of him. 

I first asked questions about the front during the OU vs GA semifinal because I noticed both teams using it. Apparently Chip Kelly was using it to hide.the fact he had excellent odd front Ends but not great DT depth. The big twelve spearheaded the current trend of using it vs spread teams and it's spreading like crazy. 

Aranda being very sharp and open minded was quick to adopt it. Fact, Kirby called Orlando, the Texas DC, and spent time this offseason gathering more pointers on the TITE. Orlando installed it last year at Texas and brought a garbage defense up into the top ten in several D categories. 

I've seen Zero attempt to Counterpunch by our geniuses. It's hard to watch anymore. 

I know you're super sharp Bird, so this is for anyone else who may wonder why it matters.

The 4i techs force both your Tackle and Guard to take them on for most of the typical spread inside runs. Both B gaps are toast. Most spread teams don't run into the A Gap, but if they do you have a nasty NT stoning your center, who you can't double now, and the Mike will help fill the other A even if the Nose doesn't blow it up. You can't pull Guards because the 4i can ride his butt to the ball so Power is gone...Buck Sweep is probably gone because the Geometry sucks. 

This is done to force everything wide right into the loving arms of monsters like Devin White or Roquan Smith. There are ways to Counter it, as there's always a counter move in football... But we won't/don't or can't run any of those blocking schemes apparently. 

https://matchquarters.com/2016/10/10/the-3-4-tite-front/

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/2/19/17021322/college-footballs-new-favorite-defense-4i-tech-4-0-4-georgia-texas

https://matchquarters.com/2018/07/20/mq-quick-hits-ep-10-the-tite-front/