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8 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Guess I need to “accidentally” watch more of Maher. He is getting the important points right. You just can’t hate half the nation. If that is what your party is telling you then…you need to leave and never listen again. 

IMO potentially todays most important and effective voice of reason.

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

Some people believe if you show a gun to someone that you think will harm you, they will think twice about starting something.  Not true if confronting a police officer.

Understand. I’m a firm believer of the 2nd amendment for most types of gun. But beyond feeing “dodge city” empowered, I wonder what the stats say about if you carry a gun - are you and family truly safer from intruders or threats vs accidental tragedies. 

Who the hell goes to their front holding a gun? Yes I guess it’s your right but if you’re feeling that threatened - don’t open the door and … call the cops. The bottom line is presenting a gun in any unknown situation introduces a no margin for error scenario,  and demands instant judgement that candidly most people don’t have.

2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

You’re his most reliable defender. I think you’re in love.

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

I agree with you Tex.

Blessed are the peacemakers. We don’t appreciate that sentiment enough. 

10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The content is the questioning the Deputy Sec. of Energy, if you want to focus on what is the lead, go ahead,

Sorry. When I read the word scam I went into pure muscle memory.

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

 

 

 

Good, it’s finally scam time for the thread!

34 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Sorry, I didn't explain myself well. 

Of course our economy was the actual power behind our victory in WWII and the cold war.

I repeated your term - "massive" - not in the sense the government undertakes the job of directly solving the problem on its on   - which is impossible in any rate. 

I meant the government is needed to provide the leadership defining goals and strategy to marshal the commercial sector.   A classic example is providing incentives, subsidies or taxes to encourage key technologies and products that are required to change our carbon producing status quo.

IMO, this is a "massive" role for government.  It's essential.

 

I’ll leave it at this - in a polarized environment  -  carrots work much better than sticks. Incentives and rewards to industry and people over regulations, penalties, and big budget gov programs. Dont look deep state’ish.

Ultimately there’s 2 parts to being right in a democracy; 1) being right 2) convincing other people youre right. Otherwise it’s pointless mental maturation. When you’ve got a significant portion of people and politicians denying there’s even a problem - and don’t trust gov - you can either just call them stupid and paralyze, or maybe it’s time to try another approach.

16 minutes ago, homersapien said:

"Massive" government is as necessary in addressing this problem as it was in WWII or winning the cold war. 

The politics boils down to debating methods, which is both natural and inevitable in a democracy.

The gov wasn’t massive - it lead and coordinated. The military and industry won ww2. This is an area where you and I will ideologically disagree - imo the gov is a monopoly, the least efficient, slowest business model ever created by man. Establish goals, sell the electorate and industry, incentivize, and unleash. 

Gov needs to be less draconian and spend its energy leading. Biden has the bully pulpit - use it. Educate. Every day if necessary. 

 Personally, on this topic I struggle with both sides.

The right has  their chronic Jan 6 syndrome on this topic - deny, minimize, and deflect. Which just isn’t useful and chews up a ridiculous amount of time. Candidly - this is a waters wet kind of problem. It’s painful to read or listen to.

The left, per usual, wants epic government regulations, solutions, and spending on the problem - it’s their go to solution for solving any problem. However,

We just need to accelerate the trend. Generally if you educate, encourage,  and trust the American people and challenge US industry and technology - good things will happen. Ie

Musk (hate him or love him) and Tesla quietly changed/lead/challenged … everything. And if denialists would just stop friggin whining  and contribute  - big brother stuff becomes almost irrelevant.

Bottom line - instead of massive government  - further educate and challenge. Press people and technology companies to do  more. Make it national and personal - not political.  

Getting to the moon spanned both parties. It was global competition - we won.

Again, did anyone take a basic macro economics class and understand virtually everything is impacted by global inflation? That almost all goods are made or impacted by global issues (ie the Ukraine war greatly impacts grain prices - ie Cheerios)). Even 100 years ago the Great Depression was global - not one country didn’t go into it.

Some comments are just so naive I’m embarrassed for them.

One of the challenges of people combined with guns is there’s no ability to make one mistake in judgement. Often in a split sec.

With no air bags. 

2 hours ago, aubaseball said:

But wait….memaw and pawpaw were walking around inside the capitol.   Insurrectionist!!!!!!

Huh?

26 minutes ago, homersapien said:

They have been paid by "big oil" the whole time. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CO2_Coalition

(Ironic considering one of the go-to accusations for deniers against climate scientists is they are doing it for money.)

I’ve alway felt liberals serve a critical purpose in any society - to challenge the status quo. From climate, to transgender, to gun control, to the regulation of business. Same for conservatives to resist change - it was good enough for my parents.

Imo the challenge (again) is with the slow extinction of moderates to manage the extremes to move forward, our political system has a historic dilemma.  A marriage with 2 opposites and no marriage counselor. There is no climate problem vs we’ll all be under water by Halloween.

Climate is the ultimate challenge.  Liberals wanting us to ride bikes to work built by DEI/green compliant factories, and maga wanting heterosexual white-only mechanics to rip out our catalytic converters so we can haul butt in leaded gas v-10s to the office.

Nobody is wiling to lose to win.

4 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

I know how much Trump means to you.  Why not address the material rather than the source?

Because I’m not qualified. Look, I hate this crap - it’s a pain in rear and what could be easier than just dismissing it.Who wants to deal with any long term problems? From glaciers to tooth aches to termite prevention. Maybe it’s not real? Maybe they’re wrong? Maybe it’ll go away.  I’ll find an article on the internet to dismiss it and make me feel better and prove “the experts” wrong. Here’s a blog - see, my tooth pain will be gone in a month.

As I’ve said before, I also oppose many of the hysterical measures out there to resolve it. And your earlier points about China are valid.

There simply has to be something between panic driven naive measures and total la la land denial. 

On 5/7/2024 at 7:38 PM, I_M4_AU said:

TWO LEADING PRINCETON, MIT SCIENTISTS SAY EPA CLIMATE REGULATIONS BASED ON A ‘HOAX’:

"William Happer, professor emeritus in physics at Princeton University, and Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), argued that the claims used by the EPA to justify the new regulations aren’t based on scientific facts but rather political opinions and speculative models that have consistently proven to be wrong.

“The unscientific method of analysis, relying on consensus, peer review, government opinion, models that do not work, cherry-picking data and omitting voluminous contradictory data, is commonly employed in these studies and by the EPA in the Proposed Rule,” Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen wrote. “None of the studies provides scientific knowledge, and thus none provides any scientific support for the Proposed Rule. “All of the models that predict catastrophic global warming fail the key test of the scientific method: they grossly overpredict the warming versus actual data. The scientific method proves there is no risk that fossil fuels and carbon dioxide will cause catastrophic warming and extreme weather.”

Climate models such as the ones that the EPA is using have been consistently wrong for decades in predicting actual outcomes, Mr. Happer told The Epoch Times. To illustrate his point, he presented the EPA with a table showing the difference between those models’ predictions and the observed data."

 

 

These 2 have been waging this same fight for over 20 years (trump hired them during his term). I won’t dismiss or debunk them - but obviously they’re in the less than 4% of all scientists category. However, if youre a denialist - those 2 are definitely your guys. Ps Happer is almost 85 yrs old … (I know how much age means to you)

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

t wants to use the power of his office to help himself and you know the rest.  They aren’t that different are they?

In one thread you’re saying Biden’s is 1) feeble, in  deep dementia, and/or will probably be  dead by next tues 2) in another he’s a ruthless self serving politician with some diabolical evil plan.

My 2 cents - just pick one or the other.  Both kinda doesn’t work.

3 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

It wasn't that long ago that most pastors refused to allow their congregations to wade into political discussion.  They realized the danger that posed.  Today, that view is being shouted down by the loud voices.

Then the loud voices should consider revisiting the New Testament. It’s pretty … definitive. Which ultimately is the bigger issue beyond just theTrump creepy stuff.

17 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

This “particular discussion” is about people that support Trump. It questions their Christianity. Your parallel is Trump equals satan. Nothing more than your opinion so nothing new. You do not grasp the meaning of all verses in totalitarian. 

I think trump creates a crisis for thoughtful evangelicals (I don’t question anyone’s faith). But more  importantly, do evangelical political activists feel that that was even Christs intent? To drive politics, to wade into politics? To be - political? If so… (you know where I’m going)

https://newrepublic.com/article/178892/trump-white-evangelical-army-destroying-nikki-haley

Same for Desantis.

39 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

I agree. You would have to be willfullly blind not to see the DOJ is actively working against Trump. They literally said that Biden was guilty of mishandling classified documents, but they weren't going to charge him "because the jury would likely not convict" because he is elderly.  Yeah, they always let people go based that. And then charge his political opponent for the same crime. You can't make this stuff up. They aren't even trying to hide it any more. It's part of the intimidation factor for others who want to oppose them. It will be interesting to see if Judge Cannon throws it out based on selective prosecution.  That issue is now on her docket. 

It’s more than the DOJ. Hell it’s everything from every state’s election system or any judge to Stormy Daniel’s. The entire universe is out to get the poor guy.😉

Ah, the good ol days.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump

3 hours ago, Cardin Drake said:

Honestly, there is some truth to both sides, if that is possible. This case is a perversion of justice that will never survive appeal.  Everybody understands this case would never have been brought against anyone else, and would not have even been brought against Trump if he were not running for President. Heck, even you lefties can probably admit that.  Ok, nevermind, you can't admit anything. 

Nevertheless the jeopardy is real, and if I had to bet, I'd bet on conviction. The best Trump can hope for is a hung jury.  12 New York liberals voting to acquit is about as likely as 12 Alabama grads unanimously voting an Auburn grad Miss Alabama over a Bama grad when the contestant is one of their daughters. The link details some of the incredible dirty dealings done by the Judge so far. His rulings are astonishing!  It's hard to believe this is America. Long but definitely worth the read.  Most incredibly, he won't allow the defense to bring up the fact that Trump was never charged by the DOJ with a campaign violation, even though that goes to the heart of the case, and won't let them bring in an expert witness to testify about what constitutes a campaign finance violation. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/how-judge-merchan-is-orchestrating-trumps-conviction/

 

So yeah, the case is utter garbage, but CNN may very well be correct that so far Trump is losing.  Bragg and the judge don't care if Trump wins on appeal, because they can delay that until after the election.  All that matters is getting convicted felon next to  Trump's name for the rest of the election cycle.  The only conspiracy to commit election interference is coming out of Bragg's office.

I can’t keep up with the number of things that are rigged against Trump. It’s literally never ending.

This is the paradox that hurts my head. Could someone, anyone please explain the rationale for this to be possible.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/05/07/stormy-daniels-donald-trump-evangelical-appeal-00156488

2 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

93 is the only one to mention shooting. “Terrorist” is a term loosely used in 2024 like many things. Trump defines this group of protesters as “radical leftist morons”. 

Thanks. I’m fine with moron. Neither side seems to be in short supply. Theres a lot of very agitated people with seemingly infinite free time who need to either get a job, or pick up golf or a hobby.