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13 hours ago, aubaseball said:
Only after Rich Rod back out of the job. Moore went after Rich Rod and he agreed to be the coach. On his way to sign the deal, he changed his mind.
Drummond and moore were working behind the scenes to get Saben. Drummond and the money guys never wanted rich rod.
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3 hours ago, ScotsAU said:
Rich Rodriguez was their first choice. When he turned them down, they went for Saban. A lot of people expected him to have some success because of what he did at LSU. There were also a lot of people laughing. Bama paid Saban what was at the time an insane amount of money even though he had spent his most recent tenure failing badly in the NFL. It was more of a controversial hire than you are remembering. Especially after his first season when they went 7-6 and lost to La Monroe… Not everyone was sold on Saban being a quality hire from the start.
But that’s a little off topic anyway. The point I’m making is that their coaching searches are just as much of a crapshoot as ours. There was some controversy about whether Bama overpaid for Saban. That turned out to be wrong. But it was in question at the time. DeBoer could turn out to be a good coach for Bama. But you can’t say the DeBoer hire is a better hire on paper than us hiring Freeze. Freeze showed that he could win in this league with Ole Miss’s limited resources, and he has had a history with building success out of messes. DeBoer has yet to show that he can win at a a power 5 program with any sustained success. His recruiting classes in Washington were pretty meh. He’s also far from a sure thing hire. My point isn’t that we’ve hired better than Bama. My point is that they have not done any better at consistently making hires than we have, nor really has any other team aside from maybe Georgia.
Overpaid for those SEC and NCs. Why is the DeBoer meh. Shouldn't you give him a few years to assess his success or lack there of.
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1 hour ago, aucanucktiger said:
Swing: Rich Rodriguez was Bama's first choice. When he told ole Mal to go pound sand (miss), plan B Saban emerged. Lucky.
1 minute ago, Mikey said:Hit the nail on the head.
1 minute ago, Mikey said:Hit the nail on the head.
Rich rod was not the first choice of Moore, Drummond and some of the money bags who was operating behind the scene to get Saben. Rich rod did not turn bama down, the money bags said they were not going to fund his hire.
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3 minutes ago, ScotsAU said:
Fixed their problem by swinging at a hire (that was kind of criticized when it happened due to Saban’s failure with Miami) and just happening to hire the best coach in their program’s history. Uh huh. Logical.
4 minutes ago, ScotsAU said:Fixed their problem by swinging at a hire (that was kind of criticized when it happened due to Saban’s failure with Miami) and just happening to hire the best coach in their program’s history. Uh huh. Logical.
You forget about his successes at LSU and he got MSU to beating Michigan a few times as well. In addition, he was a good DC with the Cleveland Browns. I am not sure what you mean by swinging at a hire. If you mean they just stumbled by accident and got him you are wrong. Mal Moore told them he would get a good coach if they opened their wallets and he actively pursued Saben.
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3 minutes ago, aubcali said:
Before broaching the topic with the Bama fan, lure them in with Austin Davis shouldn’t be listed as an Auburn OC since he didn’t coach a game. After hearing the Bama fan passionately argue that he should count, nod in agreement and you bring up this conversation. 😎
Bama will not probably talk about Austin Davis but instead point to 2007 hiring of Saben saying they fixed their problem but Auburn has not.
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24 minutes ago, CR said:
Austin is a well respected QB coach and Freeze is going to be the main play caller. I think it will help get everyone on the same page offensively. That was obviously not the case this season.
Well respected by who. I haven't seen people lining up at his door (OH excuse me well repected in CFL). Even HF who called him the best QB he has ever scene did not originally hire him as an on the field coach.
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10 hours ago, AUwent said:
If he's just going to promote Kent Austin, would he have done it today?
You may be right but Austin is the only fluid hire of the canadiates I heard mentioned. Montgomery was the QB coach also and Austin is the only Qb coach in the named canadiates. Hiring Nix we would then have two receivers coach and not a QB coach, hiring Luke would give us 2 OL coaches w/o a QB coach unless Freeze is planning top assume the role as QB coach or the hire could signal more staff changes.
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14 minutes ago, Sani-Freeze said:
This is fair take - They still forced turnovers and scored a ton of points though against solid Bama defenses, and with a talent disadvantage. So you can look at it either way. Given the performance this year against Bama, Hugh seems to give Saban fits so I'm looking at that as a positive sign.
You may be right about Freeze giving Saben fits but the IB this year may have been an outlier because Bama may still have been laughing so hardcatcwatching the NMSU tapes. Furthermore, HF teams seems to blow games they should win. In 2014 and 2015, HF did beat Bama got the inside track to SEC West and proceeded to lose a couple of games he probably should not. This appears to be a trend also of losing to teams one should beat. ie NMSU and Maryland.
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27 minutes ago, Sani-Freeze said:
I said he out-coached Saban three consecutive times - referring to Ole Miss having a handful of blue chips on the roster vs 85 for Bama. He won two of the three and came very close in the other one.
As to the Gus reference - The other poster said Gus didn't have deflated performances and seems to have forgotten a ton of losses like Tennessee 2018 (when they hadn't won a conference game in years), UGA in 15 and 16 when they were lousy, UCF, Minnesota, etc. even in years when we had plenty of talent.
2014 & 2015 bama had 8 turnovers in the two games vs 2 for Ole miss. I don't call that outcoaching I call that axteam beating themselves. In 2016, I believe Ole Miss scored 24 points in the first half. I think the final score was 48 45 but Ole miss was down 48 31 with 4 minutes left to go in the game. Against Backups Ole miss hit a long pass for a td and recovered an onside kick and scored. Hugh did the same against FSU in 2016 scoring 28 points in the first half and 7 points in the 2nd and losing to FSU.
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5 hours ago, keesler said:
It’s not like Hugh had a whole lot of options in the head coaching profession, in the SEC, at a place like AU. It’s not like AU had a plethora of options to replace Harbin either. Auburn needed Freeze and Freeze needed Auburn.
Now we play the wait-n-see game for a few years and see if he can miraculously string together back to back 9 or 10 win seasons…. Something many of his predecessors couldn’t find a way to do.
Options do not matter. So he has to stay at Liberty and not take the head job at Auburn. That what a good HC would do. There is no way anyone should have there hands tied by Alumni dictating how to do the job.
Auburn didn't have many other canadiates because Auburn did the shotty job search they always do when looking for a coach.
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3 hours ago, keesler said:
The money men acquired Freeze, they opened up the bank to buy the needed talent and they told Freeze to go shopping. On multiple occasions Freeze has stated publicly that he has been removed from the game planning aspect because he was occupied with recruiting. Common sense tells me he was instructed or told to stock the cupboard immediately. I can’t recall hearing another HC state that he was pretty much removed from the actual coaching/player development and game day prep because of his devotion to recruiting.
There is not a coach that is worth his salt would ever take a HC job where people dictate to them how to run the job especially if they instruct him to step away from game planning duties.
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Hopefully Freeze will enter the transfer portal.
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I remember him kicking for Auburn. Our first soccer style kicker. If memory serves me correctly he was playing soccer for a school in Birmingham maybe Birmingham Southern. The school gave up soccer so he headed to Auburn.
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AU Mike Kolen, Larry Willingham and Buddy McClinton
Johnny Unitas, Bubba Smith, Dick Butkas and Ray Nietcke.
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18 hours ago, WVR said:
In The Arena
Pat Dye
Dye finished what Jordan started.
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1 hour ago, aucanucktiger said:
I remember #4 Maryland & QB Boomer Esiason rolling into Auburn to play us at HOMECOMING in '83. They were very very good and we handled them very very thoroughly.
I remember that game. Boomer had over 350 yards passing no int but I believe we had over 400 yards rushing. I believe Agee had 200 and bo and little train over a 100. Middle of Amen corner. We had Florida the week prior and georgia and alabama followed maryland.
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2 hours ago, EagleEye67 said:
Will probably be a number of opt-outs
I agree. There will be a number on both sides.
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11 hours ago, eaglenest said:
Should refuse to play in it's bowl game, it's doesn't mean anything to them or for them, what will it prove? beside more humiliation if they get run out of town by Georgia.
They would leave a lot of money on the table. They do have something to prove if they beat the Dawgs then they could stick it to the selection committee.
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On 11/26/2023 at 5:10 AM, TeamZero77 said:
The guys on SEC Final said for the past 2 years, when a team had a 3rd and 30+ or a 4th and 30+, they were 0 for 90.
It's now 1 for 91.
It's pretty amazing how these last 2 games for us have had some crazy stat like I just mentioned or last week we had won 84 straight games at Jordan Hare against an unranked Group of 5 school dating back to 1991 and then lost to NMSU.
We are ending streaks but in a bad way. These last 2 games have been JABA if I've ever seen JABA.
I wonder why they would pick just the last 2 years. I think a more meaningful # would be to compare desperation passes (last pass down the field to try to win the game) the numbers you have just referenced includes those plays that game is not on the line and the team just called a safe play and punted).
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1. The 2019 Final Four loss to Virginia
2. 1974 Iron Bowl Loss
3. 1967 Iron Bowl loss
Maybe I remember them the most because the refs directly cost us all 3 games.
Nothing from Gus area because hiring a high school coach I knew would bring everything we got with him.
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36 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:
That rule really doesn't apply for a hail Mary with eight db's in the end zone. Just stick to your fundamentals and execute.
First of all it wasn't a Hail Mary because the receivers were spread apart throughout the endzone. Hail Mary receivers are in a bunch. I will tell you I have not heard of any exceptions to this rule. But again my question is how long do you expect our dbs to cover those 4&5 star receiver bama probably have.
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26 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:
You don’t have to even start covering any body for at least 5 seconds. But you can’t let them behind you, or give them space to the sideline, or lose track of the ball, or let yourself get manhandled. When we threw our Hail Mary at half time they had five guys behind our two guys and all five could have broken up or intercepted the pass. Neither one of our guys could have caught it. We had ONE guy even near the ball and he got shoved aside. We had two more guys close when the ball was thrown and nobody ran over there to help. It was a buffoon act. Completely different from extended man coverage as you implied in your post and yes I did play db in high school.
First of all I am not sure what you mean by you don't have to start coverage for 5 seconds you have to start covering prior to the snap by determining how a db will lineup. The difference between our Hail Mary was that everybody was in a bunch and that the bama players behind our receivers was that if our receiver caught the ball in the field of play the backers were in a position to make the tackle before he could reach the end zone. Their Hail Mary if you want to call it that was that the receivers were not bunched but spread out which gave our dbs more area to cover. And I never implied extended man coverage. I will say this I have heard announcerwith both NFL and college experience say you give a quarterback too much time he is going to find an open receiver or find holes in the zones.
Again I will ask you the question in our original post how long do you expect dbs to cover these receivers. Being Bama I would guess that their receivers are 4 stars and above.
And one more questions for you. How many games did you team win running a 2 man rush.
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28 minutes ago, creed said:
Your perspective on coaching has too many holes in it. Probably need to rethink your position.
Need you viewpoint what are the holes you are referring to.
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1 hour ago, TeamZero77 said:
I've said this on here for a couple years but look at our hires back to Shug.
Shug) wasn't a big name when hired
Barfield) was Shug's OC
Dye) HC at East Carolina and Wyoming
Bowden) HC at Samford
Tuberville) barely a .500 HC at Ole Miss
Chizik) 5-19 and fresh off 10 straight losses at Iowa State
Gus) HC for 1 year at Arkansas St.
Harsin) HC at Arkansas St. and Boise St.
Freeze) HC at Lambuth, Arkansas St., Ole Miss and Liberty
We've never swung big for a HC and I'd argue we never will. They always spin a so-so hire by saying he's their first choice and the best fit. It is what it is at this point.
I agree with what you are saying and agree with you that we don't chase big name coaches. But if we do chase a coaching that is not a big name at least he should have big 10, sec or nfl experience and the experience I am not talking about coming from Arkansas state to ole miss as HC as SEC experience. Jordan as you say was not a big name but he had experience as an assistant at Georgia. Tubs had experience as miami LB coach during the 80s (they had some pretty good defenses during that time) and people also give him credit for the wrecking defense in the early 90s when he was DC at A&M.
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The Advantage of Hugh Freeze
in AU Football Forum
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The current environment is a moving target that is a certainty. All it will take is another Federal Judge to intervene the target may turn 180 degrees. So all coaches are trying to traverse. But if the current climate continues to progress then one can figure that these players are available to the highest bidder. The institution with money will have a decided advantage. However the entirety of college football can count on that a player will not remain with an institution for more than 2 years.
While this IA a problem some axioms don't change. The coach that does the best job of preparing his team, implementing a superior game plan will be the most successful.