29 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Well, apparently - and ironically - that seems to be true with the Republican's "republic" as well, as the Dobbs decision proved.  A basic right of women was removed.

Not to derail this thread into an abortion thread but I think the crux of that one is more of a "When does a human being gain the rights afforded by the constitution"

With the far side on one end saying it's the absolute second sperm meets egg, and the far other side saying nut until the human can successfully escape the womb.

And then the majority in the middle for one reason or another feel 12, 15, or 20 weeks is when rights should be granted. But like quote below says;

20 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

Sorry to disappoint, but nothing about our voting system is changing. Our Congress is busy investigating, indicting, impeaching, and mean tweeting. That, plus their ongoing interviews on Fox and CNN is occupying all of their time. They can’t be bothered  to do something for the American 🇺🇸 people right now. 
 

*sarcasm intended*

I don't think we have a lot of people in our government who are dedicated to setting a real foundational status regarding a timeline for human rights, as they are too busy bickering and back biting. With some on both sides (Thinking MTG and AOC) believing that riling up their base is more important than actually doing their job.

9 hours ago, Leftfield said:

I wasn't under the impression that anyone here was looking for a pure democracy, unless I missed it. The discussion was about electoral college vs popular vote. 

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

 

Not sure what you mean by a "pure" democracy, but to me, it means every piece of legislation is put to a popular vote. 

In other words, electing our representatives by a majority vote is not a "pure" democracy, just a better one than we have, at least if one believes in majority rule.

Right, but sometimes what we respond to in thread is not exactly the way the link portrays it, IE: CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan explores why many MAGA Republicans are claiming that America is a republic, not a democracy.

In the case of the article they lead with that odd line about MAGAs 'claiming' America is a republic. The MAGAs they interview are definitely off base with their thinking, but the journalist spin is off as well. The US is of course a mix of representative democracy/constitutional republic. We have a way to grow through democratic action We also have set rules for the land that are (or are supposed to be) inviolate.

In a pure democracy everything could be subject to change via new sentiment or an overly charismatic leader. Which can easily lead to disaster.

And reading that line from the link reminded me of that quote from childhood...

Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.

12 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

i would bet my butt against third base maga would love for trump to become a dicktator................i have seen a few remarks here and there.

11 hours ago, homersapien said:

I misunderstood. 

But it is a superb indicator of how obsolete our electoral system is.  Like AU9377 said, it's a bad look to present the rest of the world.

I do like being the minority voice on these forums, but I hope ya'll get the point of my earlier post in this thread. True democracy is terrible.... the whole "two wolves and a lamb voting" bit.

The thread got off-topic quick to electoral votes etc.... but doesn't change the fact that we would not want/enjoy a total democracy.

45 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

With his utter inanity.

CEOs at Trump meeting: Ex-president ‘meandering’ and ‘doesn’t know what he’s talking about’

PUBLISHED FRI, JUN 14 20243:01 PM EDTUPDATED 6 HOURS AGO

Christina Wilkie@IN/CHRISTINA-WILKIE-6004564/@CHRISTINAWILKIE

Brian Schwartz@SCHWARTZBCNBC

WATCH LIVE

KEY POINTS

• Former President Donald Trump failed to impress everyone in a room full of top CEOs this week, multiple attendees told CNBC.
• “Trump doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” said one CEO who was in the room.
• Several CEOs “said that [Trump] was remarkably meandering, could not keep a straight thought [and] was all over the map,” Andrew Ross Sorkin, co-host of CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” reported.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/ceos-at-trump-meeting-not-impressed.html

So are both sides going with the "The opponent is more geriatric than our guy" scheme?

14 hours ago, creed said:

on these bible verses?

Since the Pride month topic took off with a beat down of the LGBT community I thought a stand alone topic for another group of  perceived sinners is warranted. So what are your opinions about individuals singled out in Matthew 5:31-32? There's a lot more of these folks supposedly sinning in society, and they flaunt it everyday.

This thread topic prolly not aimed at me or people like me...

But my approach is the same regardless, I don't criticize or condemn on anything that doesn't harm another person. And I speak on the teachings of loving one another as God loves us. and treating each other as we would want to be treated.

People do get upset with me as I don't "choose a side", but I generally don't sweat it as the sides they are talking about are social/cultural... and the only side that holds weight with me is Christ.

Stop with the facepalms,

A man can only get so erect.  

4 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

I see some truth coming out. lord help us..............

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democracy-overrated-maga-125053450.html?

Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

12 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

That came from Moses and is Mosaic law. Moses was a Levite. Wasn’t Sunday. Saturday was their Sabbath. 
 

Haven’t executed anyone. So upset with Auburn football in 2012 I raked leaves every Saturday afternoon with the radio in background. Got mad one afternoon and did throw a stick at the neighbors cat. 

Came from God actually. ... So that we can not argue that point i'll just paste it here. I'll underline the part I'm referencing.

Numbers 15:32-35, “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”

15 hours ago, AUDub said:

Plus, IT’S NONE OF MY BUSINESS HOW DOCTORS TREAT THEIR PATIENTS

15 hours ago, AUDub said:

No **** you for thinking it’s any of your business. 

Pretty spicy take.

Josef Mengele and many others thank you for it though I'm sure.  

15 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Not sure that some people realize that Levitical Law was the only part no longer relevant after Christ. 
 

Wish Brother Homer could have joined your Genesis study. It is my favorite Bible book.

Executing someone who picks up sticks on Sunday was from Numbers actually Salty.

So if Leviticus is the only one no longer followed.... How many people have you executed for for doing yard work on Sunday?

30 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

I honestly don't know what all that means.  I will tell you for a fact that every Christian Church in my County teaches out of the Old Testament.

Every lesson in our Sunday School books this month is taught out of Genesis.

I know the truth, so I really don't take to heart what people on this forum (point out).

No offense meant.  Hope you have a great day.

How many people has your church executed for picking up a stick out of their yard on Sunday?

None most likely, and why none... because you follow Jesus and not the old testament.

Which is why it's silly to point at Leviticus and give it as a reason, while simultaneously ignoring so many other laws of the book.

And no I don't take offense to it, and you're thinking is by no means just you or a minority opinion. I hear it a good bit, I'm just not big on quoting the Pentateuch when speaking on Christianity. 

13 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

It was in Argos post.

2 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Ah, you obviously have gifts I don’t.  Missed it. Unhinged crazy does that to me.. I’m sure his potato chips comments were deeply insightful.

Chips I'm sure are involved.... but I have near doubled my income in the past 5 years. Yet am basically the same in financial situation as before. That's not good.

Whether you lay the blame on Biden or not I don't care, but it sucks... and I'd like to see a candidate with real plans to fix or alleviate the issue.

4 minutes ago, AUDub said:

The only reason this even went to trial is because it’s Hunter Biden. In this case his high profile hurt him. These aren’t charges that are usually tried on a standalone basis. These are ones the feds usually pack in piggybacking on another charge. 

Oh I agree about it being a thing at all.

Brother does federal investigations in a metropolitan city. He's told me about things similar... and worse than what Hunter did that they pass on, let local do whatever they wanna do. 

5 hours ago, AUDub said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/southern-baptist-convention-ivf-vote

This is certainly an interesting turn of events. Not that we didn’t all know that the SBC is regressive with a capital R, but one has to wonder what effect this will have on the bill protecting IVF. 

telescopes/microscopes also still out right?

If God had wanted us lookin at that stuff he woulda made our eyes cooler.

On 6/11/2024 at 12:25 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Same here, never would have predicted that verdict.

On 6/11/2024 at 7:12 PM, AUDub said:

Yes but you two are nuts. 

10 hours ago, homersapien said:

They don't believe in our justice system.  They say it all the time.

To be fair, rich or famous people seem to get off or postpone stuff to death a lot here.

Me reading it and seeing it as plainly obviously a guilty verdict is not the same as having a high degree of faith that it will be the outcome.

Maybe if Hunter would have starred in a few movies lately he coulda beat the charges  

On 6/11/2024 at 3:13 PM, ArgoEagle said:

Man, please read your Bible.  Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination

Leviticus 20:13  "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination;  they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:5  "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.  (Crossdressers & Transexuals)

God, not man, destroyed Sodom & Gamorrah with fire & brimstone (every living man, woman, child & animal) because of sexual immorality, in which the main sin mentioned that caused this was homosexuality)

If you or anyone else on this forum are going to make the statement that homosexuality is not sin, then you are contradicting these Bible verses (which were handed down by God for man to write).

I DON'T HATE ANY HUMAN BEING ON THIS EARTH.  MY HOPE IS THAT EVERY LIVING PERSON ACCEPTS JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOR THROUGH HIS DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION.

That's not up to me.   But saying homosexuality is not a sin is incorrect (unless you don't believe God's Word; again that's up to you).  I provided you just a few verses to back what I said up. There are several more.

I did not write them nor inspire them, but I accept them bc they come from My Lord God Jehovah and nobody is going to change that with secular logic.

I don't know what you mean by I attacked you, but I have not said anything with the purpose of offending you, but if I did then I do apologize.

I'm sure someone here has already pointed this out.

Don't quote old testament to Christians. That's Judaic scripture, go yell at the Jewish people with it. Christians don't follow the Pentateuch   

You might as well use British colonial laws for trumps trial.... no American follows it anymore  

2 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

Predators will camouflage themselves in the best way possible.

4 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

 

Gotta wonder how far they go to find the best turd.

And how long that one could eat off of one.

3 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

stay in your lane bro...............

Nah bud...

4 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

beg? throw me some green bro and we will talk............grins

I don't mind the one liners, but them being their own threads kick other ones off the first page... and stuff not on first page tends to get ignored.

You can't tell me this isn't a bit excessive lol, count the number of times your name appears;

Even if you wanted to branch out from just Trump, could make a "Fiddys thoughts" thread and then we could just scroll down them in one place instead of clicking on each thread separately. 

11 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

seehow nuce i am? i posted it three times so you guys would get the message............i am such a loving guy ya know.

Please fiddy. I beg you.... make a all encompassing thread for all this.

Name it MAGA maggots or Trump Tards or something. But do like the "lets go brandon" thread guy and consolidate please.

On 6/6/2024 at 4:09 PM, homersapien said:

Nevertheless, Reagan actually increased the size of government, although at a slightly lower rate than the previous president. 

"The number of federal civilian employees increased 4.2% during Reagan's eight years, compared to 6.5% during the preceding eight years." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

 

On the other hand, Bill Clinton reduced the size of the government workforce with the "Federal Workforce Restructuring Act of 1994". https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PPP-1994-book1/pdf/PPP-1994-book1-doc-pg561.pdf

""The big downsizing happened during the Clinton years as part of reinventing government," Kettl said. "And that ended up reducing the size of government significantly. But during the [George W.] Bush administration there was an increase in employment, especially because of TSA. So there is a paradox there." https://www.federaltimes.com/management/2016/01/08/5-shifts-that-transformed-federal-service/

 

And even Obama had a reform based agenda focused on "Performance Based Budgeting" (PBB) https://spp.umd.edu/sites/default/files/2021-10/Obama Administration PBB.pdf

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/proper-size-governments

 

My only point is that Reagan - and Republicans - are not uniquely the 'be all/end all' when it comes to reducing the size of government and/or increasing it's efficiency.

 

I am not read up enough to say with any confidence that this is the norm... BUT;

My time in the federal government, whenever there was a 'reduction'.... it just meant more contractors. And every time I'm aware of it actually cost more. They let go of a bunch of GS 5-7-9-11s and hire a contract team capable of paying every member GS 13 pay.

But on paper it looks like a "reduction of government"

not partisan at all... just something I've noticed.

And if given the choice, I'd rather they hire federal employees over more contracts.

1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

it has been a long minute since i have seen him and i am honestly worried. us geezers have to stick together.

Cole as well.

It's the offseason for people  

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

You sound like Republicans can actually control who they run for president. They are now the party of Trump.  Trump controls them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/03/larry-hogan-lara-trump-rnc/

There's too many passive republicans.

I go out around TN, AL, GA. Actual Trump fans are a minority. Lots don't seem to want him and are embarrassed by him. Even if they agree with his policies by and large, they can't stand his nature/antics/crimes/etc.

However, anything political going on... all those republicans disappear and it's maga goofballs as far as the eye can see. It's astounding he can get so little support in small conversations. And such an insane amount of support when it matters.

Maybe after taking another L they'll wise up.

Or I guess more likely, he'll be selling Trump2028 bumper stickers. 😕 

19 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

how many of you that think biden has declined so bad he should step down when mr raygun could not tell you his own name and nancy had to answer all the questions. so tell me what the difference? i have yet to hear a repub say a word about poor ol ronnie. why is that?

I was still being swaddled at Reagans 2nd term  

But wasn't he lucid (whether you liked his politics or not) during his first term? With a sharp decline in his second term?

Letting a sitting president who is losing his mental acuity stay around to finish his term is one thing. Trying to re-elect them is another. The republicans could have had an easy slam dunk win over Biden running a lot of different candidates. Instead they decided to once again run with the lame horse Trump. They'll have no one but themselves to blame for four more years of Biden imo.