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On 3/5/2024 at 3:44 PM, shabby said:

Step forward or step backwards or more of the same

Seems like more inexperienced this year but maybe more Talent as well. I'm thinking more the same but I hope I'm incorrect in that assessment. Thoughts? Seems like this will be the most crucial Factor and what kind of year we have next year

Well we signed just two high school linemen for our position group of greatest need

We need this guy

On 8/17/2023 at 7:10 PM, gr82b4au said:

Ok I can relax now. Haha

Is the the only offensive lineman we are recruiting?  Its what it feels like.

If Cadillac goes 3-1 and finishes with a top 25 recruiting class why wouldn't he get a second year? Auburn alumn with NFL connections?  I want to see how this plays out.  He might be exactly who we have needed.

On 9/21/2022 at 4:39 AM, AU-24 said:

He also ran from the police on a Moped, so not surprised. 

To be fair the offensive line couldnt stop a moped

28-0 Auburn.  Harsin Leaves TJ in to get into and stay in rhythm.  Ashford is used for 4th and Goal situations and the defense finally takes the gloves off forcing turnovers. 

24 minutes ago, AuburnEagle79 said:

Should be a category on whether he can get the 4-5* talent to win. 

I have no doubt he would win 10 games a year with UGA's roster, but it's still up for debate if he can get that talent. 

I'll settle for 3* at this point.  I really hope Harsin is the guy.  I do.  I don't waan't us to look back and miss the "Offensive Genius" days.

22 minutes ago, Malcolm_FleX48 said:

There is a lot of panic when it comes to Harsin right now. The question that you now have to ask in order to see where you go from here, is:

If the answer is yes, you keep him.

If the answer is no, you do not keep him.

If the answer is that you do not know, then you have to keep him until you have enough data.

 

I also have to add that you need to be able to gauge whether he can ever recruit well enough to get that team or close to it.

 

But for me, I am still disappointed that he has filled our staff with nothing but Boise State yes men. That takes a lot from the recruiting. If he can't recruit well enough for you to ever answer this question then you also must get rid of him.

 

But...

If you lack enough data then I think definitive answers as to whether Harsin is the future or not cannot be made and moving on now would make this job a pariah. I just hope the board considers this.

 

Then Harsin might want to start recruiting.  He only signed 18 out of a possible 24 scholarships last cycle. 

It all comes down to "If Harsin can recruit" and rebuild the program after the C-USA talent Malzahn left us with.

19 hours ago, AuburnNTexas said:

Partly true but not completely true.  I was happy to see Malzan leave as I think his offense did not evolve but I want people to remember when Malzan came to Auburn our D was very weak and we had to rely on outscoring people. Malzan brought in some top notch D Coaches and left them alone and they found good players and developed them especially D-Backs and D-Line.  The head coach gets blamed when any part of the team is good as such he should get credit for bringing in some great D coaches and letting them recruit and coach their position.

It was his horrible O-Line recruiting that was his downfall and the fact that the games rules changed and teams had adjusted to his offense and he didn't evolve. Where youu were true is we did recruit some really good HS Receivers who didn't develop because his passing routes never developed.

As for Harsin developing players I am one of his biggest fans but it is to early after one year to be able to say he and his coaches are doing a great job there. Lets see what happens this year as most people don't think we have enough talent to have a winning record this year.  Lets ee if he can prove those people wrong and in doing so at least get a top 15 class this year.

Correct.  I was referencing Malzahns offensive talent in my statement.  We put far more defensive players into the League than offense.  His development of any position other than running back was just terrible.

I would rather have a #20 recruiting ranking and develop the players than a top 10 under Malzahn and those players not get any better over the next 3-4 years than the day they finished high school.  My complaint with Harsin was only signing one offensive lineman, two D lineman, and two linebackers. I have no doubt his ability to develop players but he does need players to coach.

On 5/2/2022 at 10:59 AM, WarDamnEagleWDE said:

Gus sucked all the way around. 

No Doubt!!!!!

11 hours ago, Mikey said:

Back to remedial arithmetic for you. 7-6 is better than 6-7. Arithmetic aside, a winning season is better than a losing season. Gus never had a losing season, 8-0 on that one. Harsin is now 0-1, his only season at AU being a losing season.

TIme will tell

11 hours ago, Mikey said:

He hasn't declared for the draft. Unless he declares, he can't be drafted. DUH!

 

He also had more passes dropped than any QB in Auburn history.

Gus finished 6-4 against an all-SEC schedule in 2020. Harsin finished 3-5 vs SEC teams in '21. Back to remedial arithmetic for you and you'll learn that 6-4 is better than 3-5.

I wonder why he didn't declare for the Draft?  It obviously, wasn't to finish his career out at Auburn.

Yes.  Bo would have completed 71% of his passes this year if it wasn't for the receivers and harsin would have probably gone 11-1

2015 Gus went 6-6 2-6 in the SEC and that included three cupcake games.  Back to remedial math and history for you.  You'll learn that 3-5 is better than 2-6.

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

https://www.theplainsman.com/article/2021/11/nix-now-all-time-leader-in-total-offense-by-auburn-quarterbacks

 

So that is a fact.  Bo Nix has passed for the most yards of any Auburn QB.  However, he isn't getting drafted after three years.  How does his best season compare to other QBs?  Look, I am not saying Nix is bad.  He likely would have won the Heisman is anyone other than Gusx  coached him.  His ceiling his tremendous IMO, but he was going no where with Gus.  Gus left poor receivers and an o-line.  Nix still had his best season under Harsin.  Also, if you are crediting Gus, Bo completed no better than 59% of his passes under Gus.  Thats OK.  No great or amazing, not bad, just ok.  So yes Nix threw for more yards than any Auburn QB in school history, but has a lot of incomplete passes.  A percentage that will not get him to the NFL.  Bo's stat is quantity over quality.  So NO Gus cannot develop a QB.

15 hours ago, Mikey said:

I'll be very surprised if Harsin ever wins eight games in one season at Auburn. Looking at 4-8, or at the very best 5-7 next year, primarily because he let the team be gutted through the transfer portal and has failed to bring in sufficient replacements.

On the bright side, he'll probably break his five game losing streak early on, because his first two opponents next year are Mercer and San Jose State. Surely there won't be a huge 2nd half collapse in at least one of those two games.

Quote: "Yet,under Gus, a high school QB was never once developed.."

Gee, Auburn's record books say that Bo Nix is Auburn's all-time career total offense leader. What planet do you live on?

 

Cool, tell me where to look for the Nix stat.  More than Nick MArshal?  Nix's best season vs Cam?  NIx vs Stidham?  I do want to see those stats?  Last I saw were people calling for Nix to get benched for Finley.  That didn't work but also doesnt say a lot about Nix. 

Harsin, again time will tell.  I will admit Harsin failed to take advantage of the transfer portal and that is just frustrating. 

As far as breaking his win streak, dont bother with youre pathetic sarcasm.  It is those cupcake teams that would have given Gus his "Solid" eight win season in 2020

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Maybe some remedial arithmetic is in order? 8-5 is better than 6-7.

We really need to work on your sarcasm for starters.  Gus had a 7-6 season that looked worse from start to finish than Harsin initial season.  Also that was year three for Gus.  They were his player because even under Chizik the offense was recruited for Malzahns system.  if Harsin turns out to be an 8-5 coach then I will change my tone.  Yet, under Gus, a high school QB was never once developed.  Receivers struggled once in the NFL, offensive line recruiting was neglected for four straight cycles, part of that was Malzahns very poor o-line development.  Harsin had to spend all of year one teaching the line how to be an actual line.  Un-teach Nix bad habits, teach the receivers how to be college receivers.  Our offense had to go from learning a high school system where you run a jet sweep on 3rd and 14 (because no one knows why) or throw it deep on 3rd and 1 to learning how to make reads.  Harsin may or may not be the guy but Gus proved in eight years he definitely was not.  He lost four games his initial season with a very weak non conference record.  This is his last year with Heupels players then he will start to regress.

11 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

I don't think it's fair to characterize everyone who left and had a problem with how they were treated as "undisciplined crybabies," especially since you and I aren't privy to the circumstances and what was said that led to them leaving.

You're right I dont know why said that.  Except for Shenkers quote:

.  Also, when Lee Hunter said  "The reason I chose to leave Auburn because we got treated like we wasn't good enough, and like dogs," Hunter wrote  

When a reporter did an Instagram interview with Hunter and asked for specific reasons, Harsin is unreasonable with players being late to practice, team meetings, or class.  Harsin would then take disciplinary action.  What kind of action?  Suspended from practice, facilities, weightroom, team meetings for one week.

SO YEAH.  A BUNCH OF UNDISCIPLINED CRYBABIES THAT GUS 8-5 MALZAHN CREATED

On 2/11/2022 at 2:16 PM, TitanTiger said:

From what I've been able to gather, contrary to Auburn Twitter, this didn't start with the notorious 'powers that be' trying to get Harsin out on the cheap.  It started several months ago with some stories trickling up the chain at Auburn that initially were viewed as the normal stuff you see after a regime change - adjusting to the new guy and the way he does things, people not liking change, Harsin being more demanding than Gus, etc.  But over time the anecdotes kept accumulating and a few sounded more serious and Auburn felt they needed to start digging a little bit to see if there was anything to some of it.  

I believe (I cannot stress enough that this is just me trying to piece bits and pieces together on the timeline and not gospel) this is roughly when certain power players might have gotten more involved and saw a potential opportunity to move on from a coach they didn't want to begin with and who, they felt, was clearly not up for what it takes to recruit in big boy football down here and was taking the program in a bad trajectory.

That led to the leaks and rumors and such over the last 7-10 days and to where we are now.

I agree.  Some players did like raised expectations.  The Media paid more attention to the undisciplined crybabies leaving than the stars that stayed and what they had to say

2 hours ago, JMassie11 said:

Landed a gig as an offensive analyst at UGA. Never saw that coming ……

Especially with of the field coaches trash talking him.

I was at the UT game back in 08 I think.  Sell out crowd.  Glad our womens team can still kill it.

12 hours ago, Didba said:

he's like half an adult...

Half panicked

On 1/19/2022 at 11:11 PM, Randman5000 said:

Mason wants more DBs?? Lol

If you look at Masons recruiting at Vandy it appeared there was always for emphasis on his side of the ball.  

Great points.

I forget which draft it was.  Not to long ago two offensive linemen went in the first round of the NFL draft.  Their schools?  Northern Illinois and Alabama State.   Offensive line is the hardest to project however, how much grief does a coach take for passing on a 4 or 5 star?   Bottom line Harsin and Friend need to step it up.   Line was a problem before they were hired, they accepted the job now it is their problem.  Failing to sign at least four highschool linemen, 2 JUCO guys, and at least to transfers makes them part of the problem.  Analyst say the 2023 class will be far better.  we will see.  Remember Rule #76: No excuses, play like a champion.

On 12/28/2021 at 4:53 PM, shabby said:

5 losses in a row. It's hard to swallow. I wonder what this season would have looked like under Gus. Not that I want Gus back or Didn't think we needed to move on. But I feel like Gus Would have got more out of this team.  I feel like this would have been a minimum 7-6 team and possible 10-3 team under Gus.  What do you think this season would have looked like if Gus was retained? 

Gus would have coached this team to 7-5.  Trade the LSU win for a Miss State win