Tigerpro2a

Until I see Golf come in with his "decent pick up" this just isn't real!!!!

Saw some good things today and saw some things not so good.

The good:

-Thorne. He played pretty well minus the pic.  

-Hunter, Finally hitting his stride. 

- Open WRs and QB throwing catchable balls to them.

-No Robby!

The bad:

Open WRs and dropping catchable balls. 

Inconsistent on the OL

Horrible blocking by Wrs and TEs at times.

Stupid penalties.

Here is my take on Arky. I think Thorne will stop looking over his shoulder now that he played the entire game and he knows he is the guy...even if he makes a STUPID mistake like a pick 6. This is going to give him more confidence next week I feel like. I think the offense will feel this all week in practice and will feed off it and come game time we will see what we all expected to see all season long and we will go in and take down the hogs in their house.....AU 45 ...Ark 27. 

Im putting my shades on.....gang gang War Damn Eagle. 

So I agree with Coach about the field position and not wanting to make a stupid mistake and risk the momentum of the game. I see people saying things like " HF took his foot off the gas knowing me should be trying to build an identity" and stuff like that....well....the current game is Priority 1. Get the win. 

Another thing, I haven't had a chance to rewatch the 2nd half yet and I had a house party going on during the live game so I honestly wasn't paying full attention to it then.....but I saw on TOS that one of the beat guys ( Pink...who is pretty dang good on X's and O's) did a play script analysis and he said that most of the game we ran RPO's. He even went on to say that only 4 of our rushes didn't have a Pass option attached.  WTS, barring the idea that Thorne just misread a bunch of them, maybe it wasn't as big of a philosophical change from half to half as some are making it out to be in terms of playcalling. 

Either way....we got the dub. WDE!

20 hours ago, woodford said:

I mainly only listen to 247 AU Undercover, so I like the guy and I'm going to sound like a total boomer here, but I physically cringe when I hear Nathan King call him "Hugh." 

It's Coach Freeze. Or Coach Hugh Freeze. 

Sorry, carry on.

This is something that has driven me nuts for years and I have had some pretty heated debates with folks on the topic. I absolutely hate when anyone, especially players or reporters, refer to a coach or former coach as "insert first name". 

I was raised and taught that you address them as Coach. Whether it's simply "Coach" or " Coach Freeze" or "Coach Hugh" or "Head Coach Brother Hugh Freeze" and on and on and on.....Coach should be included. 

I learned this at a very early age from my Dad. Then my HS Football coach , Coach Louis Thompson, played for Coach Bear Bryant...and any time he ever told a story about playing you never heard him say "Bear" it was always "Coach Bryant". 

It's just respectful IMO. Unless the coach says "hey call me Hugh" then there should be a Coach included. PISSES ME OFF!!!

Rant over.

13 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Congratulations!

 

The way things are going in society, however, a future QB may be a lot to hope for.  I might start by just hoping that he still considers himself male by the time he graduates high school and work up from there.  According to Bill Mahr's trend analysis, I think around then is when everyone is supposed to be identifying as LGBTQ+.  😜

I can definitely agree with the "baby steps" MO , pun intended.  I will tell you this....my child can do as he pleases when he is 18+ and out of my household. I will hope that my job of parenting will have prepared him well enough for this crazy as bizarro world we live in.  I will leave it at that. Until then...he is and will be a male....period. 

12 hours ago, woodford said:

Congrats man!! It is seriously the greatest thing you will ever experience. We just had our second one last Wednesday. God is good!

Congrats to you as well!

8 hours ago, W.E.D said:

Yes. And you asked why and I explained it. 

I never said they can't develop, I gave my reason bc a fraction of lowly rated 3* guys ever develop. If he does, great. I'm just not going to put much hope in a guy that has a less than 1% chance to turn into Pat Mahomes

Ok so that's where we are off. So I took it a little more as an indictment against the players because you said "they are not developable".  I took that differently than stating that the odds of developing said player are low. So ultimately we agree then because as I mentioned multiple times ITT that I don't expect that to happen either...I was just making that case that just because of his rating doesn't mean that he can't.  

My hope is that WW directly follows PT after the 24 season and then we have a nest of 4 and 5 star QBs moving fwd. War Damn, bud. 

1 hour ago, W.E.D said:

 

Here. They are side by side now. If you still can't read, comprehend, and figure it out...idk what to tell you

This is a "you problem"

No problems, bud. Simply was trying to have a conversation with a fellow fan to try and understand how you could feel that our entire QB Room is not "developable". That just came off as crazy take for me so . It's all good, though. Let's just agree to disagree. Maybe I took your original post (below)  out of context.  

On 10/7/2023 at 9:25 PM, W.E.D said:

We don't have any yet on campus that are developable

9 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

You should attempt to go back and reread my argument again bc your first response is completely wrong. 

I'm not going to read the rest due to that fact

How convenient!

51 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

Cool.  You named 10 people over the corse of the last 10 years.

 

I simply looked at the NFL's current list of starting QBs and half were 3 star comps or lower.  That alone bust your argument that Hank Brown is not capable of being developed because he is a 3 star recruit. 

52 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

How many 3* guys over that time??? 15,000 to 18,000.  Great odds!!!

 

Yes it's a large pool. Again, I am not betting on the kid to do anything...just pointing out a number of examples that counter the basis for your claim.

55 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

5* kids are like 10x more likely to get drafted than 3* kids. 4* kids are like 5x more likely.  But hey!!!! Let's select these 2 guys out of a pool of 1800 3* per year, we have that magical touch!!!!

 

No one is arguing that 3 stars are more likely to get drafted.  

57 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

I'm not even going to go through you whole list bc Lamar Jackson was a 4* QB and so was Mac Jones.  So great work!

Mac and Lamar were both composite 3 star recruits which is what I said. 

You seem to be more concerned with being sarcastic than actually having a  legit conversation. Have a good evening, bud.

4 hours ago, W.E.D said:

Ah yes, the proverbial diamond in the rough.  Why even recruit 4* and 5* kids

Not the point I was making, but I will play along.

Josh Allen

Lamar Jackson

Russell Wilson

P Mahommes

Jimmy G.

Mac Jones

Zac Wilson

Kenny Pickett

Ryan Tannehill

Desmond Ridder

Dak Prescott

Jordan Love

Kirk Cousins

Daniel Jones (2 star)

Brock Purdy

Baker Mayfield

Every  name above was a 3 star composite or worse. Thats approximately 1/2 of the starting QBS in the NFL right now.  Of course we want all blue chip recruits.  Nobody ever said we didn't want 4 and 5 star QBs. That was not even the argument. The fact is though, There have been many 3 star QBS develpped into great College Qbs and NFL draft picks and our HC is one that has had success in doing so on more than one occasion . 

 What about Holden? What's wrong with him that he can't be developed? Didn't  HCBHF say he was the best pure passer on the team?  Why do you feel he is not capable of being developed?

 I trust HCBHF when it comes to QBS.

5 hours ago, W.E.D said:

JMO doltish or not.

1200 ranked player in the nation.  Extremely low 3*.  Zero quality P5 offers  Statistical chance of becoming a goo P5 starter probably like 10%.  Likely hood of him ever taking meaningful snaps at Auburn is extremely low.  

If only we had hired  a coach that had proven success with developing a 3 star QB into a day 2 pick. 

On 10/7/2023 at 9:25 PM, W.E.D said:

We don't have any yet on campus that are developable

How did you arrive at this conclusion? 

They are all "Developable" to an extent. I know...semantics...but I think determining where the "developable" Goal Post lay is important. 

Are we talking about being developed into an above average CFB QB....Top 5 SEC QB.... Day 1 draft pick.. a serviceable Game manager....a Gun Slinger.....Heisman Finalist...and on and on and on. What is the metric for which you deemed all 4 of our Scholarship QBs not "developable"  and again what are you basing this on?

I mean....we have only seen a very minuscule dose of HG.....virtually none of Hank Brown...so to say they are not "developable" just seems like a bit of a doltish take IMO.  

And maybe you were just joking and if so then by all means disregard this all. I just found it to be an odd conclusion.

So the first one I remember at all is James Bostic, but it is very vague. I remember watching Bo with the Raiders and I knew he played at AU but was I was an 85 model. Bostic is the first I remember, and Stephen Davis is the one I remember being an actual avid fan and watching if that makes sense. 

13 hours ago, TAYLORKEETON said:

Another update: quit replying to him yesterday, got the message across didn’t wanna go back n forth like kids. This dude seriously just messaged me outta nowhere asking where I coach, like he’s trying to go for my job bc I hurt his feelings 😂 never thought some random fan from the internet could trigger somebody so bad, I love it. Can’t argue or “debate” as he says, with idiots. Blocked his ahhhhh. 
 

*quit coaching* jokes on him 

I mean....did you really get in his head though? Did you really win? Or did he get in yours? Who went out actively seeking conflict with who here?  I J S.... Stuff like this always cracks me up....and I mean no disrespect to you BTW....I am the world's worst about doing this exact same thing....but I have gained some self awareness over the years and it makes me laugh at all of us including me.

Two things can be true here. Charlie came in from the rip and insulted Jake by mildly mocking his career which could contribute to why Jake started throwing jabs and personal attacks back. That's one thing. The other thing is....Jake was likely going to do the same thing regardless of what C5 said. 

I think they both had points. Jake's football knowledge is definitely a world and a half above C5's. I took the C5's point to be that it didn't much matter what we did or didn't do because we don't have the horses to stop the nation's best TE. Which is true to an extent. IT is also true that while we may not stop him, we might be able to limit him more with some of the things Jake said. 

All in all it was not fun to watch for me. I bet ZB regrets that lol,

Just now, AUTigergrad08 said:

Guess you haven’t been reading his posts or the personal attacks but that’s ok.   I’ve been done long ago.  

I have read every word.....Its every other post.....how could one not read it lol. I was just trying to say to u that if you are going to say let's be done....just say that....leave the jab out....it's all good, bro.  War Damn!

4 minutes ago, AUTigergrad08 said:

Dude enough already.  Grow up and move on ,  I was done with your insane rambling and arguing a long time ago. 

Man....u say let it go but throw a jab in with it.....and @Maverick.AU  Just stop replying to him. 

Let's focus on the game. 

WHAT A PLAY BY RHYM.....THAT IS A RHYM JOB!

God I hope that turns the thought track of some of u ITT around lol. 

We are going to be ok guys. There will be a lot of head shaking early in the year with new staff, new players and new scheme. It's a bit of a trial by fire type of season especially early. Just hang in there guys and gals. WDE 

I honestly can't believe all the people clamoring for anyone to start over JH at this point. JH has been a great backup for 2 years behind tank and has earned it. Yes he needs to get back in a game groove but I think he started to as the game went on. 

Don't get me wrong, I love what DA brings to the table and I think he is every bit as talented as JH, and then Cobb is going to be a beast and have an amazing career, but at this point it's JH until he gives a reason to be replaced or one of the others leaves him behind.

What a great problem to have though!

7 hours ago, JDUBB4AU said:

I echo this statement 

Same!

12 hours ago, LPTiger said:

We LITERALLY just played an ENTIRE game, a full 60 minutes and not once did an opposing defender get to the QB within .5 seconds of him catching the shotgun snap.  I forgot that such an amazing feat was actually doable.   How many times did Bo Nix catch a snap and immediately have to roll right or left or backwards.   He became so accustomed to it he began to do it even on the very rare occasions where it was unnecessary. 

I agree with everything u have said here....and btw...Great analysis on the play breakdown. Design and execution of that play were a chef's kiss. 

I just want to add to the above bolded part of your post here....that I also think we have a QB now who will not bail left or right when unwarranted as well. Bo never had a good OL, but even when given a pocket he was really bad about bailing out anyways. So nice to see a QB with the poise in the pocket and will to step up into the pocket and deliver a dime piece. Let PT's part not go unnoticed as well!!!!

edit- Wow. So sorry. I have a terrible habit of when I see something in a post I want to comment on I stop right then and get to it as opposed to reading the last couple lines. I see you called that out the end. Great post!!!!!

2 hours ago, AU-24 said:

I think it was after week three of Nick Marshall’s junior year, (I know it was after the LSU loss, I’m just not sure what game that was and I’m too lazy to look it up) Gus started calling every read before the snap. It was not Nick Marshall reading the defensive end, and deciding whether to hand it off or pull it, that was all decided before the snap. I agree however with Nick Marshall’s athletic ability, it worked quite well!

Just curious where this intel came from? I know Gus did a lot of Designed runs that were read presnap by Gus but to say every single one of them seems like a big stretch to me. Was this ever stated by players or coaches?