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3 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

Superfluous. 

For you and I, sure, but not people outside the legal field. 

There’s a lady across the street from us that homeschool’s her kids and teaches them the earth is only like 6,000 years old or something. 

She met us once when we moved in and rudely gossiped about all of our neighbors within five minutes of meeting my wife and I. When asked casually told her we don’t have kids/plan on kids and that I worked for a longstanding Democratic plaintiff’s law firm in town. 

she hasn’t spoken to us since. Dodged a bullet on that one. 

1 hour ago, TitanTiger said:

Iran is ruled by demons.

Yuuuuuup

Conservative religious extremists celebrate their sworn enemy’s victory over their arch nemesis. More news at one. 

I sure do. 

10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

In years past, yes I see your point.  Now people and organizations want to be noted for their views and participation.

This can not be said of Portland’s 100 days of riots and DC’s painting of BLM on their streets with elected officials joining in.  The intersectional movement has changed that.

I understand your point, its just dated.

All good, we can agree to disagree on the dated aspect. 

An important distinction we missed which may have helped inform this discussion is that there is a difference between organizations and movements. BLM the organization and BLM the movement. Many were out in support of the movement say as members of organizations like the ACLU but not BLM the organization. 

Same for Jan 6 and proud boys. many were out in support of the “MAGA” movement but would never support militias like the Proud boys that were there to do more than protest. 

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

No, just dumb.

 

I do draw a distinction between being organized to protest (antifa) and a spontaneous action.  Show me what orgizantion had control over all the protesters on Jan 6th.

Under your distinction/definition, the civil rights protests and the Vietnam war protests would fall under that label. Don’t you see the error in such a broad label?

No organization had complete control over Jan 6,  just the same as no organization having complete control over the protests you cite. Plenty of unrelated organizations with similar ideologies came together to protest at both events. 

one could argue Trump had control over all the protesters since he was actively call for them to protest but I don’t because MLK jr did the same thing and I don’t consider him to have had control over the entire civil rights movement  

That’s my point. 

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

What would be a better way of putting it?

The tactics used by Russian and Chinese political organizations and their various branches to control opposition, oppress their populace, and maintain the power over the government. 

Traditionally, fascism is right wing authoritarianism and communism is left wing authoritarianism. Anti-fascist and anti-communists are not inherently authoritarian.

Nazi brown shirts are a great example of a civilian militia organization that acted at the direction of an authoritarian political party in the Nazi party of Germany. 

https://www.populismstudies.org/Vocabulary/authoritarianism/

this link explains it better than I ever could but at its core, authoritarian acts are those that aim to secure power for their political party, and prevent any other party from even participating in government.  IMO, neither Antifa/BLM or the Jan 6 participants/proud boys fit this bill. 

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes, the media has been covering for them for a while now.  They have started to be scrutinized now that they are in front with the Palestinians, as are BLM.  Eventually they will expose themselves and they are about to.

So then you agree that that the actions of the Jan 6 participants were authoritarian/fascist?

You can’t apply that label to the actions of the protests you cite without applying it to Jan 6 participants. 

13 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Because we are discussing people that are authoritarians.

Biden is an authoritarian by attempting to institute a vaccine mandate, some just don’t want to see it.

You are using authority and authoritarian incorrectly. Not trying to make a point with this, more-so, just letting you know. 

13 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If there was an organization behind the activities, it would be.  There wasn’t that anyone can prove (it’s been 2 and 1/2 years of constant investigations).  Only speculation by the media and some in Congress.

The same can be said for Antifa and the protests you cite. 

if you reply to this with “BLM” than my reply to that would be “Proud Boys.”

12 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

The *protests* during the summer of discontent in 2020 that took place in Portland always sticks out.  Dressed in all black and having their mothers stand between them and the cops is one of the funniest things I think I have ever seen.

To answer your question; Antifa has authority over its members and uses that authority to have their members (lawyers) fire bomb cop cars in NYC and attach a police academy in Atlanta, Ga.

Remembering, you can only be authoritarian over the people you have power over.

Another question, if those are the type of activities you would consider fascist/authoritarian, wouldn’t that make the activities of the participants in Jan 6 fascist/authoritarian? 

1 hour ago, AUApostle said:

You normies will believe everything the news puts in front of you…just like the Charlottesville hoax.

Perfect satire. Really well done. 

15 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

So they vote in the people that produce the violence. Even you can see that this is a dead end conversation. 

Children aren’t doing any voting and there are not legitimate democratic elections occurring in Palenstine.  Similar to Russia’s “democracy” and their “elections”. 

Even you can see this is a dead end conversation. 

15 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Someone roaming around in a pretend uniform bashing in the faces of anyone, ANYONE, they disagree with. Sounds like the Nazi Brownshirts to me. 

Technically, comparing left extremists to Stalin’s version of brownshirts would be more correct than Nazi brownshirts but that’s just semantics and labels for the same thing just with different politics 

11 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

The *protests* during the summer of discontent in 2020 that took place in Portland always sticks out.  Dressed in all black and having their mothers stand between them and the cops is one of the funniest things I think I have ever seen.

To answer your question; Antifa has authority over its members and uses that authority to have their members (lawyers) fire bomb cop cars in NYC and attach a police academy in Atlanta, Ga.

Remembering, you can only be authoritarian over the people you have power over.

Why are you using the word authority in that manner?

6 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I’m not letting Christianity off the hook.  People can screw up anything.  But it’s a screw up. At its literal heart, it’s pacifist. Same with Hinduism and most eastern religions. Trust me - islam is different (I encourage you to research it)  in that it does strongly imply support for jihad, suicide for jihad,little tolerance for non Muslims (much the less women, homosexuality, ect). There’s a reason Muslims almost overran Europe a thousand years ago. It is a unique challenge for sane Muslims and the rest of the world.

Yeah certain sects of Islam certainly support Jihad more than others. Unfortunately. 

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Really????  Does Antifa use facist tactic?  Yes, yes they do.  You have bought into the wordmark of that organization.

It was a joke but do tell what are their authoritarian tactics?

6 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

 

Are you finally recognizing Antifa exists?  At least that’s a start.

I’d hope everyone would recognize that antifa exists since I’d also hope everyone would be anti-fascist. 

35 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Gaza has 5,500 people per sq KM. Their population is growing. What would you have then do? Take land from Israel?

We defeated Germany and Japan in WWII. We didn’t keep them because we wanted to forge a lasting peace. Arabs badly miscalculated in their wars with Israel and lost. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt and has peace with them. The Palestinian Authority has largely tried to play by Israeli rules and Israel sends the message it doesn’t matter. 

There is a difference in occupation/reconstruction and outright capitulation at all costs.

it seems capitulation is the choice. 

9 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Well, the Palestinians cant get anyone to give them work permits, food, water. Israel was supplying power and water when Egypt refused to. They were rewarded with an act of war. That is all they are ever going to get with these people. The Palestinians do not want peace. 

Hamas doesn’t want peace. I’m pretty sure there are plenty of non-Hamas Palestinians that want peace. 

29 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Hamas isn’t a country, it’s an alpha criminal cult of nut jobs. Blended into an civilian populace of millions. It’s not a war, it’s a man hunt with tanks. Bombs may get many of them, but the massive collateral casualties will just create even more cult members avenging the deaths of family and friends. 2 years from now the problem will be worse. 

I absolutely support Israel and support trying to crush Hamas because… you simply have to. But in terms of actually solving anything. No.  Except maybe forcing them to change their name.

The answer was “in a perfect world” kinda thing. I agree 100%. 

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I’m aware of their politics and it seem more extreme than what you call MAGA.  She was defeated in the last election.  France has been a socialist country for awhile.

ETA:  I don’t see LePens as a good comparison to conservatives in America.

That's actually pretty fair. That comparison isn't accurate, at least not where things are now. Hopefully, it continues to be inaccurate.

10 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said:

Thanks. We may not be in total agreement but I think we are at least on the same page. One more question ........what do you think Israel is justified in doing right now?

I appreciate this measured response, as for your question:

Taking down Hamas like the US took down Bin Laden hopefully with less torturing of prisoners. Though if I had to pick the lesser of two evils for Israel to eradicate Hamas, I'd pick the war crimes against Hamas prisoners over war crimes against Palestinian civvies. Disgusting to even say it.