Current Active Shooter in Colorado Springs

[quietfan 233]

No one is grouping everything under one umbrella. Mass shootings and active shooter events are acts of terrorism.

But when a jet liner blows up, or the streets of Paris run red w/ the blood of innocents, because some MILITANT ISLAMISTS go on a rampage, Obama the PC police will simply call that " terrorism " as well, and thus the planned obscuring of deflect and distract rules the day.

You'll have to take that up with Obama.

It's not just him. Clinton(s) saw the threat of Islamic terrorism as a " criminal " problem as well. As do most of those on the Left. Though not all.

Speaking for myself, I consider all acts of aggression as criminal. Apparently the Nuremburg Tribunal did as well. But criminal acts writ large enough also qualify as acts of war.

[quietfan 233]

My point is simply mass shootings in the US are on the rise. That's the terrorism threat we face. That's terrorism in America.

It's not. There is no unifying , organized force at work here. It's terrifying, but it does not fit the definition of what is " terrorism".

Terrorism

NOUN

• the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims
  As I stated before, there is no connection between all of these incidents.
  

You are correct that there is no connection between all the incidents reported on AUUSN's chart(s), and no organized, unified force at work among them (unless we count simply hate and/or evil as an organized force). But then neither your posted definition nor AUUSN's (FBI's?) definition of terrorism mentions an 'organized unified force' or 'connection to other incidents' as an essential component of 'terrorism'. (Perhaps you'd care to revise your definition to incorporate your other statements that imply a unified organized force or connection to other incidents is an essential component of terrorism? You're certainly free to do so and I won't begrudge you such a clarification or shift in your claim.)

Eric Rudolf's bombings were the actions of a lone individual with no organized force or organization behind him. Timothy McVeigh's & Terry Nichols' mass murder in Kansas City was an isolated incident with no organized force or group behind it. But the actions of all three clear satisfy both definitions of terrorism given by you and AUUSN: Violence committed for political reasons.

Of course, since we don't yet know the motive (or at least I haven't yet seen any authority or news source confirm a motive) behind yesterday's shooting, it's too early to call it terrorism. It's reasonable to suspect a political motive when premeditated violence erupts at an abortion clinic, but no political agenda has yet been confirmed. Robert Dear may have been driven by personal reasons or demons unrelated to the abortion debate and have had no political agenda. Until we are sure of his motives, we cannot say with any certainty that yesterday's shooting qualifies as 'terrorism' under either of the two definitions y'all provided.

You are also correct that Daesh, Al Qaeda, and other such groups are large organized forces with significant power and the ability to initiate multiple incidents. I don't think any of us disagrees with that. For that matter, I wouldn't go so far AUUSN in calling the many mass shootings 'terrorism': Certainly they are terrifying, but most don't incorporate the essential element of political motivation, many were the result of domestic/family conflict, disgruntled employees/students, or individual psychotic episodes. However the statistics reported by AUUSN indicated (at least to me) that such isolated incidents as yesterday's and the others on his list are a greater daily threat to residents of our country, which I think is his point. Certainly I feel more at risk from such isolated acts of violence when I leave my home each morning than from Daesh. (Particularly since I work on a school campus.)

Absolutely and well stated!

Thanks, but I also won't begrudge you the right to modify your compliment after reading my edit (in red) that I added while you were posting. ;)/>

Still well stated. We'll disagree on that point.

And certainly quite a few of those random acts of violence were politically motivated.

[AURaptor 1,125]

First, no one has equated Pearl Harbor or the holocaust except for you.

Secondly, equating a mass shooting attack at a PP facility and a mass shooting attack by Islamic radicals is not a stretch.

First, I've not " equated " anything. I'm using well known events as examples , overstating on purpose, to demonstrate the absurdity of the Left's abject refusal to call evil by its name. I'M the one making the point. It's ME who is giving this opinion.

Secondly, equating 3 killed by a lone gunman in Colorado to the coordinated , planned and wide spread indiscriminate murder of 130 in Paris is an extreme stretch. It is the basis on which the Left and Right disagree.

[TexasTiger 12,898]

The media has hardly equated the two, and placing two events in the same broad category doesn't equate them.

It absolutely does. Unequivocally. By not naming the culprits, or what their motive is, you white wash their actions.

Pearl Harbor wasn't attacked by " terrorists ".

" Terrorists " didn't plan to exterminate millions of unfit humans, in concentration camps with furnaces.

For example, as a human you're in the same category as Steven Hawking and other really intelligent people. But I'm not equating you with them.

A weekend in Panama City Beach may be in the category of a vacation, but I'm not equating it to a month long trip around the world. Get it?

[AURaptor 1,125]

Texas - The administration does not distinguish from 1 event and another,

THAT IS THE POINT !

9-11, Paris, London, JV team...

It IS about ISLAM !

it's not just " terrorism " .

[homersapien 11,379]

First, no one has equated Pearl Harbor or the holocaust except for you.

Secondly, equating a mass shooting attack at a PP facility and a mass shooting attack by Islamic radicals is not a stretch.

First, I've not " equated " anything. I'm using well known events as examples , overstating on purpose, to demonstrate the absurdity of the Left's abject refusal to call evil by its name. I'M the one making the point. It's ME who is giving this opinion.

Secondly, equating 3 killed by a lone gunman in Colorado to the coordinated , planned and wide spread indiscriminate murder of 130 in Paris is an extreme stretch. It is the basis on which the Left and Right disagree.

Or, to put it more straightforwardly: "equating".

You post as if we are all idiots.

[homersapien 11,379]

Texas - The administration does not distinguish from 1 event and another,

THAT IS THE POINT !

9-11, Paris, London, JV team...

It IS about ISLAM !

it's not just " terrorism " .

OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!

[AURaptor 1,125]

Having trouble keeping up , I see.

[AURaptor 1,125]

First, no one has equated Pearl Harbor or the holocaust except for you.

Secondly, equating a mass shooting attack at a PP facility and a mass shooting attack by Islamic radicals is not a stretch.

First, I've not " equated " anything. I'm using well known events as examples , overstating on purpose, to demonstrate the absurdity of the Left's abject refusal to call evil by its name. I'M the one making the point. It's ME who is giving this opinion.

Secondly, equating 3 killed by a lone gunman in Colorado to the coordinated , planned and wide spread indiscriminate murder of 130 in Paris is an extreme stretch. It is the basis on which the Left and Right disagree.

Or, to put it more straightforwardly: "equating". :rolleyes:/>

You post as if we are all idiots. :laugh:/>

As if