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[Didba 5,281]

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

No, just dumb.

 

I do draw a distinction between being organized to protest (antifa) and a spontaneous action.  Show me what orgizantion had control over all the protesters on Jan 6th.

Under your distinction/definition, the civil rights protests and the Vietnam war protests would fall under that label. Don’t you see the error in such a broad label?

No organization had complete control over Jan 6,  just the same as no organization having complete control over the protests you cite. Plenty of unrelated organizations with similar ideologies came together to protest at both events. 

one could argue Trump had control over all the protesters since he was actively call for them to protest but I don’t because MLK jr did the same thing and I don’t consider him to have had control over the entire civil rights movement  

That’s my point. 

[I_M4_AU 8,056]

1 minute ago, Didba said:

the civil rights protests and the Vietnam war protests would fall under that label. Don’t you see the error in such a broad label?

In years past, yes I see your point.  Now people and organizations want to be noted for their views and participation.

3 minutes ago, Didba said:

just the same as no organization having complete control over the protests you cite. Plenty of unrelated organizations with similar ideologies came together to protest at both events. 

This can not be said of Portland’s 100 days of riots and DC’s painting of BLM on their streets with elected officials joining in.  The intersectional movement has changed that.

I understand your point, its just dated.

[Didba 5,281]

10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

In years past, yes I see your point.  Now people and organizations want to be noted for their views and participation.

This can not be said of Portland’s 100 days of riots and DC’s painting of BLM on their streets with elected officials joining in.  The intersectional movement has changed that.

I understand your point, its just dated.

All good, we can agree to disagree on the dated aspect. 

An important distinction we missed which may have helped inform this discussion is that there is a difference between organizations and movements. BLM the organization and BLM the movement. Many were out in support of the movement say as members of organizations like the ACLU but not BLM the organization. 

Same for Jan 6 and proud boys. many were out in support of the “MAGA” movement but would never support militias like the Proud boys that were there to do more than protest.