AU2much2handle 0 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Muscle Shoals had a kicker this year that could boom the ball. Not the tiffin kid. The tiffin kid is good, but the other kicker is left footed and can absolutly crush the ball. Made like 4 fgs against us this year. Dont know if he is a jr or sr, but i hope we look at getting him. war eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigernt'town 4 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 TOMMY T. if you are reading this call and warm up the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 TOMMY T. if you are reading this call and warm up the plane. 205882[/snapback] Let me ask you...whats wrong with Vaughn? Surely we all know he had a bad game vs LSU....but take that game away and he's almost perfect on every field goal. Not to mention the game winner vs Georgia. Vaughn is a great kicker in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman 0 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 The only thing wrong with Vaughn is that he is a junior and will be gone after next season. It would be nice to bring in a new kicker to redshirt next year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 The only thing wrong with Vaughn is that he is a junior and will be gone after next season. It would be nice to bring in a new kicker to redshirt next year . 205919[/snapback] I agree...just seemed like the guy up above didn't see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU2much2handle 0 Posted December 17, 2005 Author Share Posted December 17, 2005 I think i was misunderstood. I like vaugn think he is very good. I was just saying we dont have a guy who can kick it in the endzone. This kid from muscle shoals puts it out of the endzone everytime. I just was making a comment that was on my mind. Sorry if i offended anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbirdie 0 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 i understand that all kickers have off nights so i am going to omit the lsu game, but other than that john vaughn has not been a very good kicker. he didn't make a field goal over 39 yards all year. we were forced to go for it on fourth down on several occasions because of his lack of distance. he is usually dependable inside 35 yards but then again so are about half of the high school kickers in alabama. compared to jim von wyl, win lyle, matt hawkins, duval, jaret holmes, and the other great kickers we are accustomed to having he is not even in the same league. in other words he is probably the worst kicker we have had since before del greco was here. if you disagree name one auburn kicker from the past 20 years you hadn't rather have. and yes i know duval had one crappy year but he was still a better kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayonaise 0 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 anymore unnamed prospect leads hard2handle? Someone give this man CTT's phone number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgufcm 4,107 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 take duval off that list. he had a good run the second half of soph. year through the middle of his junior year. other than that, he was average to garbage. he was TERRIBLE as a freshman. great punter. great punter his whole career, but as a placekicker he was rubbish. even after the florida game as a junior he was average at best. he had a bomb for a leg, but he was not accurate at all. that's obvious by his career .608 field goal percentage. he missed a big kick for every big kick he made (florida 2001=florida 2002... his whole career was like that). as for vaughn, if you really are willing to throw out the lsu game he was 10-13. that's pretty good. he doesn't have a long range (career long of 43). no doubt about that. but he is accurate (.720 career percentage coming into the year, 6-10 as a frosh, 12-15 soph, and now, excluding lsu, 10-13 which would make him .737). if you don't exclude his really, really bad night, he's still sitting on .659 which is a lot better than duval. john's gonna be alright. i hope he works on flexibility b/c that would increase his distance. if he could push his reliable range to 42-44ish, he'd be an all-conference caliber kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 i understand that all kickers have off nights so i am going to omit the lsu game, but other than that john vaughn has not been a very good kicker. he didn't make a field goal over 39 yards all year. we were forced to go for it on fourth down on several occasions because of his lack of distance. he is usually dependable inside 35 yards but then again so are about half of the high school kickers in alabama. compared to jim von wyl, win lyle, matt hawkins, duval, jaret holmes, and the other great kickers we are accustomed to having he is not even in the same league. in other words he is probably the worst kicker we have had since before del greco was here.if you disagree name one auburn kicker from the past 20 years you hadn't rather have. and yes i know duval had one crappy year but he was still a better kicker. 205932[/snapback] My faith is in Vaughn...he has done very well. He went 11-19 for fgs...and 49-49 for PATs... He is #1 on the team in scoring.....he is also #2 in the SEC in scoring. Talk about a player who has made a big contribution to this team. Also #1 in PAT kicking...only 2 other players in the SEC have perfect PAT records for this season. He's missed 6 fgs over 40 yards...but I think about 4 of those were in the LSU game. One of those attempts was also a 51 yarder. Vaughn does have a leg, you should see him in practice...the kid can kick fgs over 50 yards. Those stats can be found here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbirdie 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 i understand that all kickers have off nights so i am going to omit the lsu game, but other than that john vaughn has not been a very good kicker. he didn't make a field goal over 39 yards all year. we were forced to go for it on fourth down on several occasions because of his lack of distance. he is usually dependable inside 35 yards but then again so are about half of the high school kickers in alabama. compared to jim von wyl, win lyle, matt hawkins, duval, jaret holmes, and the other great kickers we are accustomed to having he is not even in the same league. in other words he is probably the worst kicker we have had since before del greco was here.if you disagree name one auburn kicker from the past 20 years you hadn't rather have. and yes i know duval had one crappy year but he was still a better kicker. 205932[/snapback] My faith is in Vaughn...he has done very well. He went 11-19 for fgs...and 49-49 for PATs... He is #1 on the team in scoring.....he is also #2 in the SEC in scoring. Talk about a player who has made a big contribution to this team. Also #1 in PAT kicking...only 2 other players in the SEC have perfect PAT records for this season. He's missed 6 fgs over 40 yards...but I think about 4 of those were in the LSU game. One of those attempts was also a 51 yarder. Vaughn does have a leg, you should see him in practice...the kid can kick fgs over 50 yards. Those stats can be found here. 205941[/snapback] i am not saying he is terrible, but i am saying that in my opinion he is the worst kicker we have had in two decades. the reason he is number one in scoring is because has had almost twice as many PAT attempts as half the teams in the sec(thank you Al). phillip yost was also a beast in practice. Unfortunately that means about as much as our opinions on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubgrad66 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 This kid, Shoemaker, says it's either Auburn or Bama, but neither has made an offer. Do you think we are considering one to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebody 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 if you disagree name one auburn kicker from the past 20 years you hadn't rather have205932[/snapback] How's this? Robert McGinty (may be just on the cusp of your 20 year limit with that) And also, I recall that Yost attempted many of the longer field goals in recent years, which may be one reason Vaughn doesn't have any long FG's on his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUdaREALsecTigers 2 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 This kid, Shoemaker, says it's either Auburn or Bama, but neither has made an offer. Do you think we are considering one to him? 205993[/snapback] There is a kid from Deshler who is the real deal also. Quality kid and quality family from what I hear. I know he's taken an official visit to . WDE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgr4lfe 220 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 as for vaughn, if you really are willing to throw out the lsu game he was 10-13. that's pretty good. he doesn't have a long range (career long of 43). no doubt about that. but he is accurate (.720 career percentage coming into the year, 6-10 as a frosh, 12-15 soph, and now, excluding lsu, 10-13 which would make him .737). if you don't exclude his really, really bad night, he's still sitting on .659 which is a lot better than duval.john's gonna be alright. i hope he works on flexibility b/c that would increase his distance. if he could push his reliable range to 42-44ish, he'd be an all-conference caliber kicker. 205940[/snapback] Why do y'all think he doesn't kick long ones???? B/c the offense is so stinking GOOD... most of the time whe we get in opposing teams territory, we score TDs. We scored TDs on 67% of our red zone trips, accounting for 30 TDs of our 49 total TDs on the year. We were 7 of 11 on 4th down conversions. Basically averaged 1 pg. I don't know where all those took place or circumstances, but I for one don't beleive we were going for 4th downs b/c CTT didn't have confidence in Vaughn. Like MC said, Vaughn was 10/13 taking out the LSU, where according to reports the wind was swirling BAD. Vaughn is a very good kicker, who doesn't get a chance at a lot of longer kicks b/c more so IMO, CTT and CAB have confidence in the O knowing a TD is better than a FG. Thus Vaughn does not get the opportunities b/c like I said the offense is so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damabama 15 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 and john's mom is a honey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUfan1985 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I don't see how people want to throw out the LSU game when looking at Vaughn's season. If we'd won that game, we'd been in the SEC Championship game and possibly the Sugar Bowl for the second staight year. I know it's beating a dead horse, but we'd have beaten LSU with a better kicking game. Every other player on the team played well enough to pull off the win in Baton Rouge. The loss goes largely to Vaughn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigrinum Major Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I don't see how people want to throw out the LSU game when looking at Vaughn's season. If we'd won that game, we'd been in the SEC Championship game and possibly the Sugar Bowl for the second staight year. I know it's beating a dead horse, but we'd have beaten LSU with a better kicking game. Every other player on the team played well enough to pull off the win in Baton Rouge. The loss goes largely to Vaughn. 206048[/snapback] Nope. The offense is to blame for not scoring TDs and making Vaughn attempt so many FGs. We had several drops of very catcahable passes that night. The punt return team is to blame because they let Skylar Green loose on his TD run in the first half. The defense is to blame for giving up as many points as they did to a mediocre offense. The FG attempts are easy to isolate because they are one play, on very important play. If he makes the game winner late in the game, does he win the game singlehandily? Or was it because Brandon Cox led the offense down the field late to give him that opportunity? Anyone who blames Vaughn solely for that loss does not understand the concept of team sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,457 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 This thread is getting dangerously close to the "speak ill of NO player" rule. Mods, can we take this thread off the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigernt'town 4 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 for clarification of my post, i am not placing any blame i merely believe you must keep the pipeline full, in my book you must have a good kicking game for the type of football played in the , it is well worth the scholarship,at the very least every two years. besides a little competition never hurt anyone, unless you are a girly man qb prospect from whose psyche was hurt by not being named the starter. is he from a family of whiners or what gives. be a man! for crying out loud! you will never see a cowboy at the NFR after a bad ride and cheating DEATH! that bull hurt my feelings! he just goes about his business because that is the gig!! also a great kickoff guy is a must, one that can boom it out of the endzone or place it inside the 5-10 yd line within 5 to 15 yds of the sideline, which allows the use of the sideline as a 12th man in kickoff coverage. there is more to the kickoff than kick and cover and let's hope for the best. with such a kicker you could catch them trying to east and west and get that elusive 15 yd line or less field position. couple this with great defense, a 3 and out by opposition's O, and it equals great field position for your O, aka "the short field." offense, defense, and kicking---- all equally important. thank you, captain obvious has left the building.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 This thread is getting dangerously close to the "speak ill of NO player" rule.Mods, can we take this thread off the board? 206066[/snapback] Uh your kidding right? Seems like most of us are having a good discussion about our kicking position. Believe me Tim, I'm right there with you supporting Vaughn. But this thread is nowhere close to deleting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB33 1 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 "I was just saying we dont have a guy who can kick it in the endzone. " Anyone have stats on Matt Clark - i.e., touchback %? Seemed to me that he did a pretty good job this year . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinook 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 if anything this thread is becoming a croylism. if vaughn... and what if... seriously, anything on kutch who we signed last year. will he be limited to a punter and place kicker? imo, i think a kicker should be recruited just like any other player. alot of games are deceided at this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgufcm 4,107 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 the problem is that kicker might be the hardest position to gauge from high school to college. in high school, you kick off a tee. in college you don't. in high school you kickoff from the 40, in college you don't. it's tough to really know how a guy will react to the added pressure of such an isolated position in college. john is a solid kicker. kutch isn't gonna beat him out. no freshman is going to beat him out. so like him or not, john's our guy next year. matt clark is a great kickoff specialist, and kody's the best punter in the sec. that will be the kickers for next year. get used to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I don't see how people want to throw out the LSU game when looking at Vaughn's season. If we'd won that game, we'd been in the SEC Championship game and possibly the Sugar Bowl for the second staight year. I know it's beating a dead horse, but we'd have beaten LSU with a better kicking game. Every other player on the team played well enough to pull off the win in Baton Rouge. The loss goes largely to Vaughn. 206048[/snapback] I had a reciever in one of my classes. Took the blame, said Vaughn should have never been in that position and it was the recievers fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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