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Just now, auburnatl1 said:

While being disemboweled. Fantastic. 

 Unintentional symbolism by I_M4 right there. 

First trailer for the game released. Didn't see Auburn featured anywhere in this one, but it looks good IMO. 

30 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

You’ve known this for 8 years now.  It amazes me that Trump hasn’t been convicted of something in a criminal court.  Its like the left isn’t really trying.  Get with it man.

We're certainly a lot closer than you guys got with your Hillary "Lock Her Up" Clinton schemes. lol 

Just now, I_M4_AU said:

Are just taking a position or do you have a better plan?  And if so what is it?

Is this you plan?  Just give up?  I’m sure you can do better.

Neither of us have any actual "Plans". The best diplomatic minds and Middle Eastern scholars in the world have tried for decades and decades to bring a peaceful end to the Israel/Palestine situation and have failed miserably.  

I'm not going to pretend that I know what the best solution or the path to reach that solution is. 

All I know is that whatever the solution is it's going to be hard and the solution isn't going to involve bombs, invasions, or hostages. 

19 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

If whatever is done results in the worst part of Palestine just.... being sour and saying something akin to 'the south will rise again' I think everyone would count that as a huge victory.

160 years, like you said, how many other mass secession attempts have we seen? 

Oh yeah, My point is that even in the absolute BEST case scenario, White Christian Americans trying to reintegrate with other white Christian Americans after a war, its very hard to eliminate the resentment and pride of resistance that the losing side harbors inside of their culture. 

Now try it in a soceity with different races, different cultures, different religions, and a whole lot more death, destruction and animosity. 

Honestly, the issue of Israel/Palestinians peace and reconciliation seems like an almost impossible outcome at this point. And neither Palestine nor Israel seems to want to compromise in anything to make it happen.  

14 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Take Rafah and the Gazan Hamas leaders, let Mossad take care of the ones in Qatar educate at least two generations of Palestine in something other than hate and let one of those educated in moderation govern the people of Palestine.

Now that I have given my thoughts on the matter, I’ll be waiting for Tex to come in and solve the problem like he always does.

the Union army burned some southern cities 160 years ago and there's plenty of Southerners around today who are still sour about it, and try to keep the 'culture' of a country that existed for 4 years relevant and celebrated to this day.  

Good luck teaching the Palestinians that the people who destroyed their entire country and killed their family and friends are REALLY actually the good guys in the world and that they shouldn't be so hateful. 

like I said...good luck. 

That's going to be a challenge for the prosecution. 

Almost all their witnesses and people directly knowledgeable about Trump are going to be corrupt, lying scumbags because that's the only type of person that Donald Trump hires and associates with. They don't suddenly become fully honest people just because they turn against Trump later on. 

Why does Texas even bother with having prosecutors, juries, trials or judges? 
 

In cases where the governor and parole board know from day 1 that they are going to pardon someone, like they did in this case, don’t even waste so much time and money on a trial. Just have the governor announce preemptively that he’s declaring the suspect innocent of all crimes and just have him released. 
 

53 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

What productivity is leaving? I am talking about the 54% that are unemployed.  Those are a drain on our economy.

 

 

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Some immigrants say they are looking for work, but most — including the elderly, children and caregivers — are out of the labor force, the report said.

“Immigration clearly adds workers to the country, but it just as clearly adds non-workers who need to be supported by the labor of others,” said report authors Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler. “Those who simply see immigration as a source of labor need to understand it is also a source of school children, retirees and many other non-workers. How could it be otherwise; immigrants are people.”"

Above is from the article. 

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@creed mentioned it a bit ago, but it appears that that 54% you keep quoting is including people who don't or can't traditionally work including underaged children, elderly, disabled, stay at home mothers, etc. 

That's a much different scenario than it being 54% of all the working age adult illegal immigrants just choosing not to work. 

14 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

My plan; I would deport them starting with the 54% not working first.  They will be easy to deport as they are living in sanctuary cities waiting for their next meal.  That will take some time.  The ones that are workingI would give them a little time until our population and legal immigration can replace the work they are doing.

Of course, there is no way we are going to actually deport all the illegals, but we can at least try.

As for all those jobs we are going to take away from China, haven’t we been waiting on those for a while?  What is the hold up?  I think we can adjust on the fly.

Good luck finding all these legal Americans who are willing to pick crops or work construction in 90 degree heat for the same wages that McDonalds pays. 

2 hours ago, autigeremt said:

A societal benefit? Why don't we just eff the entire multi-generational makeup and stop collecting taxes, close down all the government offices, clear the entire deck....and start the eff over? 

Rum for everyone! 

Did you just copy-paste this from the Libertarian Party website? 

no, we're locked in. 

It's do or die time.

We had a moderate Dem who primaried Joe Biden and got crushed. No Labels took a strong look at running and decided a moderate candidate didn't have a path to the white House in this election. For the most part there isn't a prominent, proven moderate candidate out there who is actually popular. 

The idea that some magic, mythical Super Moderate political candidate that will pull the country together and have the nation singing kumbaya by a campfire holding hands is a cool idea, but I don't see that it's based in reality. 

I don't agree that Biden's problem is that hes "too far left" on issues. He's behind because the middle and lower classes are hurting because of inflation, and higher prices. It doesn't matter that inflation is a world wide problem, or that COVID caused it, or that Biden has stopped from getting worse, or that Biden can't force private corporations who are reaping historically high profits to decrease prices back to more normal. People are hurting now and want to punish the politician that's been in power when the problem started.  

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Outside court with Vance, Tuberville on Monday questioned the citizenship of the jurors, suggesting there were “supposedly American citizens in that courtroom,” and portrayed Bragg as a publicity-seeker.

I saw someone call him Tommy Tub O's*** and that made me laugh. 

Evidence against him seems pretty strong. Hope he gets thrown out of congress and gets the book thrown at him. 

The Answer is basically "Any problem that doesn't have any easy solutions, doesn't get people worked up, and isn't causing an immediate crisis". 

Only time the US government will work to solve a big problem is if it's already too late or has just caused some sort of catastrophe. 

Not much Biden can do if Netanyahu's primary goal isn't the release of hostages. 

Israel does not need these large American weapons for self defense. This conflict at this point is an entirely offensive operation on the part of Israel, and if Israel doesn't want Americas advice, thoughts, or feelings to be part of the equation then they will need to find another source for their weapons of destruction. 

reducing weapon shipments to Israel poses absolutely no danger to Israel itself, and the reality is that Israel is quickly losing the PR battle in the world even while they are enjoying battlefield success. The United States is about the only ally in the entire damn world that Israel has left exclusively on it's side in the UN.

Anyone who says Biden isn't giving Israel enough support just isn't living in the real world and is focused more on partisan politics than reality. 

Large civilian casualties, and letting a million people starve to death in a destroyed city isn't a good look any way you slice it, and Israel needs to end this conflict way sooner than later. Its goal of eliminating Hamas entirely is a fantasy. Hama's leaders don't even live in Gaza and Israel is giving hundreds of thousands of young men all the motivation they need to take up arms against Israel in whatever becomes Hamas v2.0 in the near future.

New Jersey is in play for Trump. Do you think Biden could draw a crowd like this? 

10 hours ago, AUDub said:

Neither of which kills with a flick of the wrist and the pull of a trigger. You’re comparing apples and airplanes. Not all rights can be inherently equivocated. It’s  fallacy to try and do so. Well meaning people are dying or killing through no inherent fault of their own because there’s no squaring that circle.

I would argue it’s an inherent result. No normal person wants to pick between dying or killing someone under the kind of pressure the police (law ENFORCEMENT, mind you) has to weigh with mere seconds, usually less, to decide.

We did to ourselves. Until we come up with police drones (lol) this will be the result. 

I see what you've been saying in this thread, and I agree with a lot of it. The United States put our police (and really our entire population) into a really s***ty, deadly position with our gun culture and interpretation of our founding fathers vague constitutional mandates. 

I don't envy police officers who have to face these situations and make split second decisions. Especially considering American police officers are very often under trained and under prepared for the situations and stresses they are tasked with dealing with. 

I 100% agree with you that the airman was stupid to open the door to an unknown person with a gun in his hand. He shouldn't have done that.  I also 100% understand that the police officer didn't show up to his apartment with the intention or desire to hurt or kill anyone. 

All of that is true....but that still leaves us with the problem of a police officer killing a civilian who didn't break any laws, didn't ignore any lawful commands, and ( albeit after the fact) it seems that he very likely didn't pose any actual threat to the officer. 

Yeah, it sucks really hard that this situation happened....but it did happen...so now what? 

7-5 with a hopefully 8th win coming in the bowl game. 

24 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

It was stated that the officer was responding to a *disturbance* (domestic I’m sure) and as is the case with a lot of domestic disturbances, it could lead to some kind of confrontation.  It appears the apartment manager lead the officer to the wrong apartment which is curious as we really don’t know why that was and who called in the disturbance.  

The body cam  video before the shooting shows a woman who called the police. I don't know if she was the apartment manager or another resident, but she said she's been hearing loud disturbances a couple of times but didn't know where it was coming from, but this time she pointed the officer to his apartment. I'm not sure why. 

24 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

There also is the question why would the Airman feel someone was out to get him to the point he thought he needed to get his firearm.  It is certainly legal to have a gun and use it for self protection, but it also adds to the situation.

Absolutely....having guns present ALWAYS adds an element of danger and unknown element to any interaction.  I don't know why the airman felt the need to answer the door with a gun. He would have been better off not opening the door and telling the person at the door to come back with a warrant if he was a cop. AND/or calling 911 to confirm if there was a real cop at his door. 

Alternatively, I've heard the cop had some backup on the way and shouldn't have gone into that situation alone. He may have fired preimptivly because he knew he was by himself in that situation. 

One thing I've heard pro-2nd amendment guys say over and over is "It's none of your business why I want my gun or what purpose I have for having it"

One thing that is clear is that the kid didn't seem to have the gun pointed at the officer or in any kind of ready or threatening firing positions and even simply held out his empty hand in self defense as the officer unloaded into him. 

24 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

As to how much danger should a police officer be in before he using deadly force; well that is up his experience, training and personal feelings about the situation that he fears.  Who is going to be the judge?  The police that trained him?  The police that hired him?

And using deadly force against a civilian; when does a civilian become a combatant?  When he has a gun or other weapon?

I’m not necessarily defending the officer, its just too early to draw a conclusion.

That's what we as a society and our courts have to wrangle with and make a firm decision on. We're not doing cops any favors by having different localities have different guidance, laws, and policies on what constitutes unlawful use of force for officers. 

24 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Ben Crump is the lawyer in Kenosha on the Blake case who, even though it was a lawful shoot, filed a civil right case against the police department.  I’m sure he will do the same here whether it is a legal shoot or not.  No need to wait for an investigation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jacob-blake-shooting-ben-crump-charges/

Ben Crump is doing his job. If nothing is done wrong then police/cities shouldn't fear any lawsuits he files against them. 

5 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

How many seconds do you think it takes someone with a gun already in their hand to kill you, while you’re processing what their intent may or may not be? Police shootings are always tragic and should be thoroughly investigated from every angle and perspective. I know this one will be. 

That's the rub isn't it? How much danger should police officers need to be in before they are justified in using lethal force against civilians. For a long time the answer to that question has been "if a police officer is willing to testify under oath that they feared for their life then they were automatically completely justified in whatever actions they decided to take in that moment" 

We're now entering a period where people and some policy makers are starting to ask: "Wait....shouldn't officers of the state have to prove....like literally everyone else....that they are in "real, actual danger" before deploying lethal force? Is 'being afraid' still adequate justification for all lethal force by officers? 

I'm not saying this officer intentionally killed this young man. If the airman thought he needed a gun in that situation the best course of action would have been to have the gun inside and not open the door at all. Of course this doesn't help if you're subjected to a no knock warrant or a middle of the night police raid where they'll still shoot you for having a gun in your own home even if you had a reasonable belief that the police were intruders. 

41 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Ben Crump is easy to make fun of, but this is a tragedy nonetheless.  Of course, Crump is laughing all the way to the bank.  He has made tens, if not hundreds of millions over the past 10-15 years alone flying from place to place and getting his face in front of the cameras.

On the flip side hiring Crump almost instantly gets your case into the national news media and garners responses from police agencies and politicians that smaller cases handled by local lawyers don't usually receive. 

Crump no doubt gets a lot of fame and money from taking up these cases, but the real question for me would be.....Does Crump get results for his clients and represent his clients in their own best interest? 

Are there any stories out there that indicates Crump could be corrupt in some way or doesn't ethically practice law? 

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

Your guy will be worse for America than Trump will be.

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

So yes, I've spent some time and thought about who should be our next president and it's Trump all the way.

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

Forget Trump for a few minutes and consider the disaster that Biden's presidency has been and ask yourself if you want four more years of that.

Here is a reddit thread on the incident on a Subreddit for police officers. The general consensus from the police on reddit of this situation is that this was "awful but lawful". They agree it's a bad look and a sad situation, but they also believe the police officer acted lawfully and within his training and that, as i stated above, his own safety comes above and beyond any other considerations. The subreddit moderator also does mention the 2nd amendment argument stating that it's stupid and has no relevance to this situation, however it doesn't give any details or explanation as to why that is so. 

The sub also seems to be making fun of Ben Crump and the family for hiring him claiming they are not ambulance chasing and lying to try and make the police look bad.