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Ha! I take it you have an affinity for the bass guitar. Saw you brought Victor to the table in another thread. Add Stanley Clarke and you have a trio that have performed a few gigs together and are arguably the top of the heap for their respective genre. The bass and I have had a love/hate relationship for the past few decades. My ability to maintain savings would be improved if I'd chosen to play the triangle instead.

I thought it all was rubbish, until you brought Marcus 78.

I doesn't, and I don' t think that was what Ben was driving at. He's talking about the tendency within those movements to make wives so subordinate to their husbands that in situations like this they are required, expected or heavily pressured into staying in a marriage with a guy like this and even taking responsibility for his wanderings because they weren't sexually available enough, or didn't do all they could to stay attractive to him or some such logic. There is a large local Baptist church that seems to have a sect within it that subscribes to and pushes such thinking, and it has swallowed up my sister. When she and her husband were having issues due to his indifferent parenting and infidelity, the wagons were circled and she was indeed heavily pressured into staying in said marriage. She was also heavily pressured to sever contact with her own family due to their "worldly influence" over her. The whole thing reminded me more of something I'd expect from Scientology (disconnection) than a Christian church.

In bold is the reason I asked the question that I asked.

I suspect all would agree that the 2010 squad greatly over-achieved. I hope they would, as no one that I can recall from anywhere predicted that one. In fact, throughout the season, we were always going to get derailed next week. I don't discredit that teams' (including the coaches) accomplishment. I never wanted Chizik to fail, I like the guy. However, when you look at the team that he presided over building, you don't see the results of a national championship program-building coach. I don't see anything resembling that. What I see reminds me entirely too much of 1998. I don't see LSU, Florida, Alabama, or even current South Carolina, or that we're headed in that direction. I hear about it, but I certainly don't see it. As Paul Clark from the Cyclone Report said: "It's not hard to win at Texas or Auburn; it's hard to lose."

Chizik was not available either. All five were currently employed somewhere. The point of the question is stated quite clearly within it. More importantly, it remains unanswered. As for the 2010 BCS National Championship, three of those men have won more than one of them. Urban Meyer, for example, would have likely still sought Cam Newton if he were here instead of Florida. Maybe we win it with one of those four in 2010, maybe we don't. Maybe we win it in 2011 or 2012 with them. Point is, all four of them have built and maintained teams that are consistently in the hunt for it. None of them left everyone scratching their head when they were hired. They were established winners (as head coaches) elsewhere. None of them left people with legitimate concerns about the state and future of their programs in the fourth year of their tenure. I have no selective memory. Credit Chizik for that magical season, I'm fine with that. Credit Chizik for the nose-dive into the abyss that we have subsequently taken, as well. He gets both, you don't get to exclude one. When the stars align perfectly with both coordinators and two ridiculous players, he can preside over something that can win it all. When they don't, it plummets like the Titanic. I can do without having both extremes, with just mediocrity between them.

To take that point further, look at their salaries. We're paying for Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Les Miles, or Urban Meyer. The only thing Chizik has in common with those four is a national championship team that he was the head coach of. At the college level, Spurrier had a losing season once. In 1987, 5-6 at Duke. Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have never had one. Gene Chizik has had one for half of time as a head coach.

I understand your points (aubfaninga's too), but how did he find himself in this position of having too many underclassmen starting in the wrong positions? Where is the JUCO help? If he didn't mind riding their back to Scottsdale, why aren't we using them to avoid 1-6? I also understand the argument against relying on JUCO help. When you inherit a mess, you do what you have to in order to get it working as best as possible immediately, while planning ahead. The head coach is supposed to be smart enough to see this coming, and know that 1-6 here isn't good for your job security. You don't get to press pause and wait for your new guys to develop. Had we hired Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Les Miles, or Urban Meyer instead of Gene Chizik, do you think we would be 1-6 in the fourth year of his tenure here, regardless of circumstances?

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