TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: And a Tucker Carlson critic. You don’t mess with Tucker. Which probably means he's not hypocritical enough to give someone a pass just because they normally are on the same side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Which probably means he's not hypocritical enough to give someone a pass just because they normally are on the same side. Or it means he’s annoying in a Lindsey Graham or McCain type of way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,371 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 16 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: I asked what time he usually appeared and where they are heading. It looks like you're trying to implicitly answer the second while ignoring the first. Not withstanding my first question, my second question was inferred from your last statement. I didn't know if you meant they were going to lose ratings, hire other people, shut down, etc. I'm sorry you "suck" at having civil discussion. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Or it means he’s annoying in a Lindsey Graham or McCain type of way Tucker is not impeccable. He says things I agree with and are on point a lot of times. Sometimes he says things that aren't good. An honest person is willing to say so. A hypocrite only fires missives at the other party while minimizing or dismissing similar behavior from their own. Then again, that's pretty much stock-in-trade for many of the conservatives around here so I can see why it confuses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Which I'm sure you have evidence for. I mean, he can point to several instances of what he's complaining about. You're pulling speculation out of your arse. I know an in-house counsel at FOX. He told me. Just take it on faith, Titan. Besides, we all know that the objective of every for-profit news org is to make money. If that means “changing” so be it. Ratings up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: I know an in-house counsel at FOX. He told me. Just take it on faith, Titan. Nope. I have neither faith in FOX, nor you. FOX has earned the distrust. You, I simply don't know enough about to just take your word for it. Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Besides, we all know that the objective of every for-profit news org is to make money. If that means “changing” so be it. Ratings up. Has anyone ever told you that speculation might be your spiritual gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, TitanTiger said: Tucker is not impeccable. He says things I agree with and are on point a lot of times. Sometimes he says things that aren't good. An honest person is willing to say so. A hypocrite only fires missives at the other party while minimizing or dismissing similar behavior from their own. Then again, that's pretty much stock-in-trade for many of the conservatives around here so I can see why it confuses them. Of course. But Peters grossly exaggerated his description of Tucker re Russia. Tucker is a brilliant guy. I was being facetious about knowing an in-house counsel at FOX. However, I have met Tucker (in private) in New Orleans via mutual friend. Just giving my perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Of course. But Peters grossly exaggerated his description of Tucker re Russia. Tucker is a brilliant guy. I was being facetious about knowing an in-house counsel at FOX. However, I have met Tucker (in private) in New Orleans via mutual friend. Just giving my perspective. I wish Jon Stewart had finished the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Nope. I have neither faith in FOX, nor you. FOX has earned the distrust. You, I simply don't know enough about to just take your word for it. Has anyone ever told you that speculation might be your spiritual gift? Either speculation or realistic thinking. But thanks Titan! also, note my other response re counsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, homersapien said: Good grief. Oh look. The town moron showed up. love you homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 @TitanTiger Remember, people can always just watch CSPAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: @TitanTiger Remember, people can always just watch CSPAN. Of course they can, but that's neither here nor there. One can report the news, even offer opinions in formats that make it clear that's what's happening without being a shill. If Obama/Hillary/Democrat apologists who appear on other networks bother you, then as a matter of principle it should also bother you when you see the same tactics being used by your side. At least if truth is what you value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Of course they can, but that's neither here nor there. One can report the news, even offer opinions in formats that make it clear that's what's happening without being a shill. If Obama/Hillary/Democrat apologists who appear on other networks bother you, then as a matter of principle it should also bother you when you see the same tactics being used by your side. At least if truth is what you value. I'm by no means a FOX apologist. There's only about two guys on there I can watch without cringing. But I'm under no obligation to take Peters' description of FOX as objectively true on the mere basis that he said it. His words should not be probative. If his personal convictions prevailed internally to such an extent thereby preventing him from continuing his tenure with FOX, good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: I'm by no means a FOX apologist. There's only about two guys on there I can watch without cringing. But I'm under no obligation to take Peters' description of FOX as objectively true on the mere basis that he said it. His words should not be probative. If his personal convictions prevailed internally to such an extent thereby preventing him from continuing his tenure with FOX, good for him. Well, all I have to go on is what I've known of him (he's never given me any reason to doubt his conservative beliefs), what he's said about this, and FOX's response. He gave reasons, and they aren't reasons that a person couldn't see as reasonable and plausible through an objective viewing of FOX broadcasts. Then FOX responds not disputing anything he said, and certain not suggesting he's disgruntled over some other matter like contracts or internal office political nonsense - just that he's seeking attention. Attention for what exactly? They don't say. Nor do they really explain how voluntarily leaving the biggest platform in TV news would give him more attention than continuing to be seen on FOX. The preponderance of the known evidence suggests he's not just blowing smoke. He's calling a spade a spade. You don't have to believe him of course, but scant evidence of an alternative explanation is really on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,371 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Oh look. The town moron showed up. love you homer "It looks like you're trying to implicitly answer the second while ignoring the first. Not withstanding my first question, my second question was inferred from your last statement. I'm sorry you "suck" at having civil discussion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Well, all I have to go on is what I've known of him (he's never given me any reason to doubt his conservative beliefs), what he's said about this, and FOX's response. He gave reasons, and they aren't reasons that a person couldn't see as reasonable and plausible through an objective viewing of FOX broadcasts. Then FOX responds not disputing anything he said, and certain not suggesting he's disgruntled over some other matter like contracts or internal office political nonsense - just that he's seeking attention. Attention for what exactly? They don't say. Nor do they really explain how voluntarily leaving the biggest platform in TV news would give him more attention than continuing to be seen on FOX. The preponderance of the known evidence suggests he's not just blowing smoke. He's calling a spade a spade. You don't have to believe him of course, but scant evidence of an alternative explanation is really on the table. I might not watch FOX as often as others. However, when I do (which is brief), I don't get the same vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, homersapien said: "It looks like you're trying to implicitly answer the second while ignoring the first. Not withstanding my first question, my second question was inferred from your last statement." Poor little Homer get confused again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,371 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Poor little Homer get confused again? "I'm sorry you "suck" at having civil discussion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, homersapien said: "I'm sorry you "suck" at having civil discussion." In response to what was said to me - "sorry you suck at reading comprehension" Everyone and their grandmother can sense the jest in my response, except for you obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Well, all I have to go on is what I've known of him (he's never given me any reason to doubt his conservative beliefs), what he's said about this, and FOX's response. He gave reasons, and they aren't reasons that a person couldn't see as reasonable and plausible through an objective viewing of FOX broadcasts. Then FOX responds not disputing anything he said, and certain not suggesting he's disgruntled over some other matter like contracts or internal office political nonsense - just that he's seeking attention. Attention for what exactly? They don't say. Nor do they really explain how voluntarily leaving the biggest platform in TV news would give him more attention than continuing to be seen on FOX. The preponderance of the known evidence suggests he's not just blowing smoke. He's calling a spade a spade. You don't have to believe him of course, but scant evidence of an alternative explanation is really on the table. I think we will see more and more move to the likes of Charlie Sykes and others that want to keep their conservative values and not nationalistic/other values of the current administration. Social media has given the platform to the extremes of both parties and has also seen a shift in people being more centrist and not wanting to affiliate with either party because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: I might not watch FOX as often as others. However, when I do (which is brief), I don't get the same vibes. Well, I don't mean that you have to personally agree with his take, just that one could reasonably hold his view. It's not just the out of left-field ravings of a loon to level such accusations at the network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,371 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm curious. What extremist positions are represented within the Democratic party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 The guy is a militarist hawk.....always has been....that does not make him a conservative. He was an infrequent "guest" and usually had about 30 seconds or a minute the few times I have seen him. No loss to Fox and since nobody knew when he was scheduled to appear I'm guessing that they did not lose a single viewer who might have awaited Peters' views. Next man (or woman) up. Meanwhile, if he had not made a big deal out of leaving, I'm betting that no one would have even known he was no longer there. That big show of indignation was designed to get him a new gig at a network who wanted to throw some dirt at FOX.......so let's see where he shows up next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,481 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, AU64 said: The guy is a militarist hawk.....always has been....that does not make him a conservative. He's been on the network long enough to ascertain that he's conservative. There is literally zero out there to suggest he's not. Quote He was an infrequent "guest" and usually had about 30 seconds or a minute the few times I have seen him. No loss to Fox and since nobody knew when he was scheduled to appear I'm guessing that they did not lose a single viewer who might have awaited Peters' views. Next man (or woman) up. Ok. Not really a point of contention for anyone here, but I suppose minimizing him in some way makes it easier to dismiss his comments? Quote Meanwhile, if he had not made a big deal out of leaving, I'm betting that no one would have even known he was no longer there. That big show of indignation was designed to get him a new gig at a network who wanted to throw some dirt at FOX.......so let's see where he shows up next? He didn't make a big deal of it. He didn't even publish that email publicly. Someone leaked/shared it. He sent it to some of the people he'd worked with and gotten to know at FOX over the years. The bolded part is, again, just speculation that's not based on any facts but rather just meant to ding his credibility by making something up. It's particularly suspect since this was just a private email sent to people he knew, not something he trumpeted from the mountaintops himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Come on TT....surely you know the best way to make a splash of something is to share it with just a few people as if they are a chosen group to confide in. ..which makes the information all the more valuable.. As for being a conservative? ..do you know his views on immigration, the strength of the US dollar, bank regulation, the recent tariff proposals, the recent tax cut and how it would affect the US economy, things that real conservatives are interested in ? He was a military specialist....that was it....could be very liberal on other matters but nobody at Fox ever asked him and did not care what he thought about those things and I'm betting you have no idea what his views are there either. Sounding like you have a very one dimensional view of conservatism which is surprising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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