Shoney'sPonyBoy 351 Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 3:33 PM, AU9377 said: So you want troops on the ground and armed conflict with Russia? If Biden did that, you would immediately accuse him of being unhinged and a million other things. LOL. The circus called and they need you back in the mind-reader/fortune teller tent. I've never accused anyone of being unhinged for keeping their word. Since we're asking each other questions, watch this video and tell me you approve of Biden basically lying to Ukraine about supporting them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoney'sPonyBoy 351 Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 If we're going to talk about not being hypocritical depending upon whether the POTUS has an R or a D beside his name, after watching that video I would like for you to type, "Biden lied, people died!" Or just STFU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,465 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said: If we're going to talk about not being hypocritical depending upon whether the POTUS has an R or a D beside his name, after watching that video I would like for you to type, "Biden lied, people died!" Or just STFU. We better do what he says. I here he is reel tuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,232 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said: LOL. The circus called and they need you back in the mind-reader/fortune teller tent. I've never accused anyone of being unhinged for keeping their word. Since we're asking each other questions, watch this video and tell me you approve of Biden basically lying to Ukraine about supporting them. Zelenski's regret is likely that he didn't do what Trump wanted and simply increased the price. He could have started an investigation, knowing that there was nothing there, that would have damaged Biden's candidacy and helped Trump. He could have demanded planes and other items and Trump would have been very happy to oblige his requests. The problem is only that it is an illegal act and is the very sort of Russian styled politics that we should be disgusted with in this country. A U.S. President attempting to do that is a valid as any reason imaginable for him to be removed from office. It is much more serious than Watergate, yet the right wing nut house of the Republican party endorses the pathetic desperate actions of men that do this simply to retain power. As a side note, congrats on being able to get solid info from Russia Today. Edited March 12, 2022 by AU9377 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoney'sPonyBoy 351 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 18 hours ago, AU9377 said: Zelenski's regret is likely that he didn't do what Trump wanted and simply increased the price. He could have started an investigation, knowing that there was nothing there, that would have damaged Biden's candidacy and helped Trump. He could have demanded planes and other items and Trump would have been very happy to oblige his requests. The problem is only that it is an illegal act and is the very sort of Russian styled politics that we should be disgusted with in this country. A U.S. President attempting to do that is a valid as any reason imaginable for him to be removed from office. It is much more serious than Watergate, yet the right wing nut house of the Republican party endorses the pathetic desperate actions of men that do this simply to retain power. As a side note, congrats on being able to get solid info from Russia Today. So you think Russia Today faked the multiple videos of Zelenski telling everyone pre-invasion that Biden had promised to protect Ukraine? Might need to polish that tin-foil hat of yours. And I don't think there was a single thing in that video about Trump, although it is very telling that your entire response was only about Trump. If I were honor-bound to never admit a single mistake or wrong act EVER that anyone in my party had made I guess I might whatabout all over myself too. But do you have anything at all to say about our current president—the subject of the videos, the guy who is actually responsible for dealing with this, the guy on whose watch this occurred? No? O.k. Trump's no spring chicken, you know. One day he's going to die. It will be the saddest day of many of your lives because you will no longer have him to deflect everything to. For example, there's an absolute idiot a couple of posts above who wants people to think Trump had a mandate to change the entire country when he couldn't even win re-election. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,234 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 2/26/2022 at 7:21 AM, Shoney'sPonyBoy said: Biden Ignoring Budapest Memorandum Commitments to Ukraine By Gordon G. Chang - Russia continues to build up its forces along the borders of Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin, in an emotional speech on the 21st of this month, made it clear that he believes Ukraine is a part of Russia. U.S. President Joe Biden must now demand that Moscow withdraw its forces from all Ukrainian territory, including Crimea and Donbas. The Kremlin has, among other things, violated the assurances it gave Kyiv in the Budapest Memorandum. Biden, however, has so far shown little inclination to hold Russia to its promises. In December 1994, the United States, Great Britain, Russia and Ukraine signed the Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, more commonly known as the Budapest Memorandum. In that document, the three parties made six commitments to Ukraine. In the most important of the pledges, they stated that they “reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.” “Some have argued that, since the United States did not invade Ukraine, it abided by its Budapest Memorandum commitments,” wrote Steven Pifer of the Brookings Institution in 2019. “True, in a narrow sense. However, when negotiating the security assurances, U.S. officials told their Ukrainian counterparts that, were Russia to violate them, the United States would take a strong interest and respond.” To be clear, as Pifer notes, Washington did not extend a NATO-like guarantee, but the U.S. should nonetheless act vigorously, he argued, “because it said it would act if Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum.” “That was part of the price it paid in return for a drastic reduction in the nuclear threat to America,” Pifer wrote. “The United States should keep its word.” Yes, the U.S. should. To induce Ukraine to give up the nuclear weapons inherited on the dissolution of the Soviet Union—Ukraine ended up with some 6,000 warheads, the world’s third-largest arsenal at the time—the U.S., Great Britain, and Russia agreed to provide assurances. If Washington were to allow Russia to gobble up the rest of Ukraine, it would tell non-nuclear states they must have nuclear arsenals because they cannot rely on the nuclear weapons powers for security. So far, the situation is not looking good for Ukraine. In 2014, Vladimir Putin annexed Crimea and effectively sawed off the Donbas region. Neither the U.S. nor Britain imposed crippling costs on Russia for naked aggression. “Boy, after this, nobody is going to give up nuclear weapons,” Arthur Waldron of the University of Pennsylvania told Gatestone. As Waldron suggests, American policy toward Ukraine provides a horrible example. This time, the situation is even worse for the former Soviet republic. Russia on February 21 recognized two breakaway regions—the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics—in Donbas and now looks set to take the rest of the country in one giant gulp. Biden immediately sanctioned the two regions but did not impose costs on the bad actor, Russia. He has promised further measures, but only after an invasion. Moreover, his sanctions are unlikely to be so severe as to force Putin to leave Ukraine. In fact, on the 15th of this month, Biden made it clear that sanctions would be less than regime-threatening. “We do not seek to destabilize Russia,” he said. Biden’s threats have been unpersuasive and so far Putin has not been persuaded. “The Biden administration has only belatedly—and half-heartedly—undertaken measures to stop Russian aggression against Ukraine,” says Waldron. “Long ago, the President should have given heavy weapons to Kyiv. And he has not substantially reinforced Europe.” Since the Cold War, American policy toward Russia has been premised on the notion that a weak Russia was more of a threat to the U.S. than a strong one. As a result of that assessment, Putin has not had to face an America willing to use power to enforce norms. Whatever the merits of Washington’s tolerant and indulgent approach may have been—I think it was horribly misguided—Putin used this latitude to break apart neighbors and redraw the map of Europe and the Caucasus region with force. It is now time for the United States, to remember the promises made—those in writing and those made informally. Putin, after all, will not stop at Ukraine. Title doesn’t match the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,232 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said: So you think Russia Today faked the multiple videos of Zelenski telling everyone pre-invasion that Biden had promised to protect Ukraine? Might need to polish that tin-foil hat of yours. And I don't think there was a single thing in that video about Trump, although it is very telling that your entire response was only about Trump. If I were honor-bound to never admit a single mistake or wrong act EVER that anyone in my party had made I guess I might whatabout all over myself too. But do you have anything at all to say about our current president—the subject of the videos, the guy who is actually responsible for dealing with this, the guy on whose watch this occurred? No? O.k. Trump's no spring chicken, you know. One day he's going to die. It will be the saddest day of many of your lives because you will no longer have him to deflect everything to. For example, there's an absolute idiot a couple of posts above who wants people to think Trump had a mandate to change the entire country when he couldn't even win re-election. Have you ever heard Biden make that commitment? I have not. I have heard him state that the U.S. and NATO stood with Ukraine, which we do, but he has never committed to protect Ukraine, if by that someone means troops on the ground. RT is a propaganda machine. Is Boris Johnson responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Is the French PM or German Chancellor? There is no deflection involved by mentioning Trump when discussing this because Trump involved himself by his actions while President. It isn't Trump's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine, but my suggestion is not without merit when it comes to hindsight and Zelenski. Tell me exactly what you believe that Biden should be doing that he is not. Edited March 13, 2022 by AU9377 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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