Tigermike 3,066 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Rudy scores with assist from debate rivalMichael Goodwin Wednesday, May 16th 2007, 4:00 AM Rudy Giuliani has a big decision today: How to thank Ron Paul for helping him win the Republican debate last night. Paul did it by feeding New York's former mayor a big fat slow pitch right down the middle of the plate, and Giuliani promptly smashed it out of the park. Home run, debate over. Paul, the old-timey Texas crank in the 10-man field, certainly didn't mean to help anyone. Pushing his line that true conservatives should oppose an expansive foreign policy, Paul suggested that 9/11 was a direct result of our policies in the Mideast. Bingo. Giuliani, who had mostly been on the defensive over his support for abortion rights, gun control and gay rights, quickly jumped to respond. His face taut and fairly bristling with anger, said, "As someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11," he had heard many absurd things about 9/11, but nothing like Paul's idea "that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq." The crowd at the University of South Carolina loved both the answer and the genuine outrage. As soon as the applause stopped, Giuliani wisely turned the heat back on Paul by asking the "congressman to withdraw that statement." Paul didn't, of course, but that's his problem. Giuliani got exactly what he needed - a chance to change the subject and get back on the terror turf. He's been trying to do that ever since he muffed his answers on abortion in the first debate two weeks ago. Since then, he went a long way in clarifying his position in a well-received speech in Houston and has clearly decided he's not going to waffle. But being pro-choice won't win him the nomination. The best he can do is hope that it doesn't lose it for him. Last night he put on a clinic about how to maximize your strengths so that your negatives are diminished by comparison. He's still pro-choice, but he's tough and certain on terror, and that's his ticket. The other top contenders were not as successful in the lively exchange, which was well-staged to let the candidates do most of the talking. John McCain struggled to maintain his upbeat, can-do demeanor and looked momentarily rattled when Mitt Romney criticized McCain's position on immigration and campaign financing. McCain seemed to be biting his tongue at the audience applause and answered with a broadside against money that included the phrase the "corruption of our own party." That could be a loser in South Carolina, where McCain is not beloved to begin with. Romney had another solid performance, and it's easy to see him gaining modest traction with each appearance. He's quick and smart and has made a good impression in both debates. Still, some GOP regulars demand fresh faces. Former Sen. Fred Thompson, who's best known as a TV actor in "Law & Order," has been flirting around the edges for months, but still hasn't gotten in. And Newt Gingrich is making noises again about running, saying there is a "great possibility" he, too, would join the fray. Hey, come one, come all. Just don't try to exclude Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani's new best friend. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/col/goodwin/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewau02 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Ron Paul saved the debate for Guliani. There's no doubt about that. Until Ron Paul went moveon.org on everybody, Guliani was getting hammered on his position on social issues. I almost felt sorry for him up there. Then, enter Ron Paul who reminded all of us of why so many Americans love Rudy Guliani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 why so many Americans love Rudy Guliani. I love Rudy. Not like I love Johnny Depp, but close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Sad thing is Ron Paul was right, and Guliani was just regurgitating the same rhetoric that the White House has been spreading/spewing. Even Osama said why they hate us, because of CIA actions in Arab lands and our military presence there. It's time to leave Arab lands and let them kill each other. Then we can have the oil with no bloodshed on our part. 911 was our fault, it's called effin' BLOWBACK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Sad thing is Ron Paul was right, and Guliani was just regurgitating the same rhetoric that the White House has been spreading/spewing. Even Osama said why they hate us, because of CIA actions in Arab lands and our military presence there. It's time to leave Arab lands and let them kill each other. Then we can have the oil with no bloodshed on our part. 911 was our fault, it's called effin' BLOWBACK. You are insane. And not the funny kind of insane. I am incredulous that you accept the word of Osama as the gospel while you dismiss every word that Bush says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 336 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Sad thing is Ron Paul was right, and Guliani was just regurgitating the same rhetoric that the White House has been spreading/spewing. Even Osama said why they hate us, because of CIA actions in Arab lands and our military presence there. It's time to leave Arab lands and let them kill each other. Then we can have the oil with no bloodshed on our part. 911 was our fault, it's called effin' BLOWBACK. Ron Paul is a nut-case. To claim the '79 hostage situation had anything to do with 1953 is ridiculous. To claim 9/11 was our fault is plain lunacy. Muslim extremists have hated us for centuries. They hate everything we stand for and want an Islamic state that encompasses the globe. You and Ron Paul are buying into the garbage and propaganda that the middle east nut-jobs are putting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Ron Paul schools Hannity on blowback. http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/1...l-Postgame.mov/ http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/16/r...ty-on-blowback/ Actually, ex-CIA agents state the same thing as do Arabs going to school/college here in America. I don't stick my head in the sand. If you want another liberal in office in '08 vote for Guliani. Guliani/Lieberman ticket, yea, that's real conservative. Call me all the names you want, but I'm right and you are wrong. Just like you were wrong to vote for that other liberal, G.W. Bush ( What a dunce). Did Guliani serve in the armed forces? What intelligence experience does he have? When was the last time a non-governor reached the White House? Since when did war become the backbone of our economy? http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ti...e_backbone_.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Ron Paul schools Hannity on blowback. http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/1...l-Postgame.mov/ http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/16/r...ty-on-blowback/ Actually, ex-CIA agents state the same thing as do Arabs going to school/college here in America. I don't stick my head in the sand. If you want another liberal in office in '08 vote for Guliani. Guliani/Lieberman ticket, yea, that's real conservative. Call me all the names you want, but I'm right and you are wrong. Just like you were wrong to vote for that other liberal, G.W. Bush ( What a dunce). Did Guliani serve in the armed forces? What intelligence experience does he have? When was the last time a non-governor reached the White House? Since when did war become the backbone of our economy? http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ti...e_backbone_.htm There's cuddly sympathetic insane (Nicholson in Cuckoo's Nest) and then there's scary insane (Nicholson in The Shining). You're trending toward The Shining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 People often see in others what they don't like about themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 336 Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 People often see in others what they don't like about themselves. ...you are wrong. Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 People often see in others what they don't like about themselves. ...you are wrong. Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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