AUChizad 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 This was in the College Beat section of the B'ham News today, but for some reason was omitted from the website version. There was an article about how Saban wants a lottery in the state of Alabama so that it would more kids could have scholarships, and as a result improve athletics. Now this is the first thing the man has said that I actually like. I'm big time in favor of a lottery in this state. The funny part of the article is that the writer apparently joked that if Nick Saban wants a lottery he could probably easily influence our lawmakers to get him what he wants. His response was gold: "Yeah, until I start losing. I'd better start trying to get that done as soon as possible cause I don't have much time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I thought when you went to SPUAT you had hit the lottery? That's what had them in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDeere 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 If Saban wants the lottery, he should be able to personally fund the first pay-out and all the admin costs to get the lottery off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 If Saban wants the lottery, he should be able to personally fund the first pay-out and all the admin costs to get the lottery off the ground. He will but it will be in small, unmarked, non-sequential denominations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUdad4kicks 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I may be wrong, but I do not think an athlete would be able to accept that money and be eligible. It seems like it would be treated the same as academic scholarships. An athlete is a counter even if it is academic money. Notice $aban is only interested because he could get more players. I guess he figures he would only have to use is scholarships on out of state athletes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yeah, I'm all for transferring money from those who have less to those who have more. It's like reverse socialism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeduke 8 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yeah, I'm all for transferring money from those who have less to those who have more. It's like reverse socialism! Forgive me for stereotyping, but quite a few of those who have less would be the ones voting for the first time cuz Saban said so. Gotta love the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerOne 1,152 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 welllll dogggy what saban wants saban gets. maybe he has an itch to play that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_tiger_2000 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yeah, I'm all for transferring money from those who have less to those who have more. It's like reverse socialism! When I lived in Atlanta we referred to the lottery as a tax on people who were bad at math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterinbham 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Heck, I thought I'd never side with Saban on anything, but the lottery is a fine idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yeah, I'm all for transferring money from those who have less to those who have more. It's like reverse socialism! Not to start this debate again, but that's simply an unfounded fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWK 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 The lottery is a bad idea, in terms of funnelling money into scholarships. College is not for everyone. Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. Also, all it is doing is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The majority of people who gamble on a weekly basis are in the lower income bracket. I promise you their kids are not the ones who will be maintaining the B average to get a scholarship. The majority of Mountain Brook High School will be able to go to school for free, while people in Tallassee who fund the lottery will be left out. Rich getting richer. If they want to do a lottery let the earnings fund tax, social security, and budget problems PS> Don't believe me? Ask Southlink what the lottery has done to UGA over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 The lottery is a bad idea, in terms of funnelling money into scholarships. College is not for everyone. Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. Also, all it is doing is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The majority of people who gamble on a weekly basis are in the lower income bracket. I promise you their kids are not the ones who will be maintaining the B average to get a scholarship. Therefore, The majority of Mountain Brook High School will be able to go to school for free, while people in Tallassee who fund the lottery will be left out. Rich getting richer. If they want to do a lottery let the earnings fund tax, social security, and budget problems PS> Don't believe me? Ask Southlink what the lottery has done to UGA over the past few years. "Welllllllll. The world needs ditch diggers too." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWK 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 The lottery is a bad idea, in terms of funnelling money into scholarships. College is not for everyone. Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. Also, all it is doing is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The majority of people who gamble on a weekly basis are in the lower income bracket. I promise you their kids are not the ones who will be maintaining the B average to get a scholarship. Therefore, The majority of Mountain Brook High School will be able to go to school for free, while people in Tallassee who fund the lottery will be left out. Rich getting richer. If they want to do a lottery let the earnings fund tax, social security, and budget problems PS> Don't believe me? Ask Southlink what the lottery has done to UGA over the past few years. "Welllllllll. The world needs ditch diggers too." Exactly, and some people enjoy odd jobs. I'd rather have no lottery and kids with a C average, which actually want to go to college, to get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dude, you're just wrong here. The Mountain Brook kids are going to college anyway. It's the kids that weren't financially able before but make the proper grades that benefit from the Hope Scholarship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. 1) People aren't going to say "Well, I don't really want to go to college, but dammit now that I got an opportunity because my grades were so good, I guess I'm gonna have to go through that torture". 2) Tax payers? Who said anything about tax payers? This money will come from willing gamblers. I'm not in the lower echelon of the financial society, and I'd much rather play a few lottery tickets than spend a penny more in tax money. And the lottery doesn't exploit the poor any more than strip clubs exploit women. No one's putting a gun to their heads and making them gamble. If they don't gamble to fund our state's scholarships/education system, they will spend it to fund Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi's. That or just the Mississippi's casino owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. 1) People aren't going to say "Well, I don't really want to go to college, but dammit now that I got an opportunity because my grades were so good, I guess I'm gonna have to go through that torture". 2) Tax payers? Who said anything about tax payers? This money will come from willing gamblers. I'm not in the lower echelon of the financial society, and I'd much rather play a few lottery tickets than spend a penny more in tax money. And the lottery doesn't exploit the poor any more than strip clubs exploit women. No one's putting a gun to their heads and making them gamble. Did someone say strip clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWK 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Therefore, people who do not need/want to go to college will get a chance to waste taxpayers money so that universities can be an adult babysitter for a few years until they dropout. 1) People aren't going to say "Well, I don't really want to go to college, but dammit now that I got an opportunity because my grades were so good, I guess I'm gonna have to go through that torture". 2) Tax payers? Who said anything about tax payers? This money will come from willing gamblers. I'm not in the lower echelon of the financial society, and I'd much rather play a few lottery tickets than spend a penny more in tax money. And the lottery doesn't exploit the poor any more than strip clubs exploit women. No one's putting a gun to their heads and making them gamble. If they don't gamble to fund our state's scholarships/education system, they will spend it to fund Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Mississippi's. That or just the Mississippi's casino owners. The lottery is a tax, its a tax on the poor. And you know damn well that if kids from Mountain Brook have the grades they are going to use the Scholarship as well. Why shouldn't they? They made the grades, and they should be able to. To say "They are going to go to college anyway" doesn't prove anything. You know damn well if we had this when we went to college we would have used it. And we are no where near the lower income bracket. 1) People aren't going to say "Well, I don't really want to go to college, but dammit now that I got an opportunity because my grades were so good, I guess I'm gonna have to go through that torture". That wasn't my point at all. People who wouldn't go to college and just start working, i.e a few of our friends, would most likely use this hope scholarship just to eventually fail out. Its not because they can't do it, its because they don't care and go to college just for the extra curricular activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUdad4kicks 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 AWK you are dead on. I am in a small town. Most kids that want to go to college and make the grades to get accepted go. Very few don't go for financial reasons. They may have to go to something close or a community college. The tuition can be handled with student loans and grants. There are exceptions but for the most part this is true. Yes the wealthy people will have access to the money otherwise it wouldn't be "fair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Remind me why the lottery is a tax on the poor... I think you are a bit snowed if you don't think someone who WOULD spend their paycheck on lottery tickets instead of rent or food...doesn't already have a bookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tufftiger 0 Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Remind me why the lottery is a tax on the poor... I think you are a bit snowed if you don't think someone who WOULD spend their paycheck on lottery tickets instead of rent or food...doesn't already have a bookie. [/quo I agree, anybody with a gambling addition is gambling no matter if it's legal or not and why should everyone else have to their lives according to what the lowest common denominator might or might not do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted August 4, 2007 Author Share Posted August 4, 2007 The lottery is a tax, its a tax on the poor. And you know damn well that if kids from Mountain Brook have the grades they are going to use the Scholarship as well. Why shouldn't they? They made the grades, and they should be able to. To say "They are going to go to college anyway" doesn't prove anything. You know damn well if we had this when we went to college we would have used it. And we are no where near the lower income bracket. 1) People aren't going to say "Well, I don't really want to go to college, but dammit now that I got an opportunity because my grades were so good, I guess I'm gonna have to go through that torture". That wasn't my point at all. People who wouldn't go to college and just start working, i.e a few of our friends, would most likely use this hope scholarship just to eventually fail out. Its not because they can't do it, its because they don't care and go to college just for the extra curricular activities. So people like you and I getting a scholarship because we made the necessary grades in high school is a bad thing? You're telling me it wouldn't be nice to not have to pay off that student loan? We would qualify because we would be dedicated enough to have made the required GPA for the scholarship. Our friends that you are referring to were straight D (often F) students. They wouldn't have qualified. That argument is like Al Sharpton throwing race where it doesn't apply to the situation to garner sympathy. Often whatever it is he's rallying against is truly the one that's colorblind. In this situation it's people trying to claim that only poor people will bare the full cost of a lottery when the fact is the lottery is not discriminant at all based on social status. It's not like they have signs at the counter that read "Must show proof of under $25k annual household income to play". I'm not poor, and I wouldn't mind playing the lottery every now and then. And I'd feel better about the money going to our shoddy education system than to you jerks on poker night, or to Imperial Palace in Bilouxi. Or for that matter to any of our bordering states' school systems just so we can fall further behind. Remind me why the lottery is a tax on the poor... I think you are a bit snowed if you don't think someone who WOULD spend their paycheck on lottery tickets instead of rent or food...doesn't already have a bookie. I agree, anybody with a gambling addition is gambling no matter if it's legal or not and why should everyone else have to their lives according to what the lowest common denominator might or might not do? Bingo. Those people are blowing their money in Bilouxi or at the Dog Track which is somehow morally ok in Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 And how is giving money to 18 year old kids for college (many of whom otherwise couldn't afford it)..."taking money from poor and giving it to those who already have it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runswithscissors 33 Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 personally i've always been all for the lottery. if someone is against it, don't play. it's like when you see something on TV you don't like. if i go blow some money in Biloxi or a couple of scratch-offs on FL, that's my business. if i can't afford to do it, then i shouldn't do it. at some point you have to be an adult. look what the lottery has done for Florida's school system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Ummm...this same old song and dance of "the lottery will help the poor be able to go to college" is total bull!!! There are already plenty of ways to go to college for the those financially strapped. First, there is this thing called a Pell Grant which helps the poor go to school. Heck, you don't even have to be poor to get one. You can have a middle class income and still get a Pell Grant. Also, there are way too many scholarship opportunities for minorities to list. Then you have Stafford loans and other types of student loans. When I decided to go back to school in the Spring of 2006, even being a middle class white male, who probably has the least amount of opportunities available out there for student financial aid, I still found enough of them to pay for my education. So, the bottom line is if a person really wants to go to college bad enough, there is nothing stopping them. Problem is many say they want too go to school but they can't afford it, but they are too lazy to search out the opportunities that will pay for their education. If they are too lazy to do that, then as somebody stated, college is probably not for them. FYI...for any of you that are currently serving or just got out, or even if you know somebody like that, please pass on this little tidbit of for me...do not wait too long to use your GI Bill! It does have an expiration date of 10 years after separation. Thankfully, there is a piece of legislation being proposed to get rid of an expiration altogether. I have actually been to DC as a part of a veteran's group to help push this, among other reforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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