Bottomfeeder 244 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I remember hearing a boot sometimes when there was suppose to be no boot. Then I started thinking there was spyware on my system. I deleted the $#@! .NET framework, I don't need it for Win XP to run. Mozilla has a spyware extension for .NET framework crap. I got rid of it too. What I think .NET framework was doing is tracking information and transmitting it after compiling it. There is a compiling delta that is supposed used to help with operation of WinXP. Perhaps it does but I don't need it. Maybe someone here can explain this stuff to me. Some articles explain it as a compatibility issue. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ms-dotnet-firefox.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/963707 http://ffextensiongu...ware-extension/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 MS snuck that in on FF users a while back and it's a pain to get rid of. Caused a lot of problems for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 I went completely Ubuntu 9.10 today. I gotta get a new hard drive though, it's telling me I've bad sectors (take a 1/4" drill bit to the old hard drive to secure personal data even after writing over). No problem, cause I'm going to get a new MOBO, processor, RAM, and a western digital 500 gig hd. I have a fresh load of XP on another HD, but I'll probably just use a a backup cause I'm sick and tired of MS. I have no intentions of using windows ever again, if I don't have to. I heard Microsoft is suing for copyright infringement again. I guess there are losing part of the market to open source OSes. Awwww. I added these to my Firefox browser primarily because Gmail loads spyware that slows down loading pages. Sometimes they won't load at all. But that was with windows. http://www.privacychoice.org/optout ad block script block WOT - Web of trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,909 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I went completely Ubuntu 9.10 today. I gotta get a new hard drive though, it's telling me I've bad sectors (take a 1/4" drill bit to the old hard drive to secure personal data even after writing over). No problem, cause I'm going to get a new MOBO, processor, RAM, and a western digital 500 gig hd. I have a fresh load of XP on another HD, but I'll probably just use a a backup cause I'm sick and tired of MS. I have no intentions of using windows ever again, if I don't have to. I heard Microsoft is suing for copyright infringement again. I guess there are losing part of the market to open source OSes. Awwww. I added these to my Firefox browser primarily because Gmail loads spyware that slows down loading pages. Sometimes they won't load at all. But that was with windows. http://www.privacychoice.org/optout ad block script block WOT - Web of trust. HUH? I've been using gmail exclusively for YEARS and never have any spyware. I'll bet anything it isn't gmail doing it but somebody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 I went completely Ubuntu 9.10 today. I gotta get a new hard drive though, it's telling me I've bad sectors (take a 1/4" drill bit to the old hard drive to secure personal data even after writing over). No problem, cause I'm going to get a new MOBO, processor, RAM, and a western digital 500 gig hd. I have a fresh load of XP on another HD, but I'll probably just use a a backup cause I'm sick and tired of MS. I have no intentions of using windows ever again, if I don't have to. I heard Microsoft is suing for copyright infringement again. I guess there are losing part of the market to open source OSes. Awwww. I added these to my Firefox browser primarily because Gmail loads spyware that slows down loading pages. Sometimes they won't load at all. But that was with windows. http://www.privacychoice.org/optout ad block script block WOT - Web of trust. HUH? I've been using gmail exclusively for YEARS and never have any spyware. I'll bet anything it isn't gmail doing it but somebody else. If you stay logged into Gmail there is a cookie or temp file that allows them to gather information about where you go so they can load advertising when you go back to Google (it keeps some pages form loading in Firefox or slows them down). As far as Framework goes, I hear boots that should not be going on. It happens every so often, but only with Windows. Ubuntu doesn't do it. When I scan Windows XP with Panda Global Security software, it show 4 boots scanned. Why four? There should only be two. Because there is a Delta compiler loaded in .NET Framework which ties into every single program and gathers information about you, compiles and delievers it to MS or DoD. As far as outbound connections being denied I haven't gone that route yet. I loaded a fresh install of Windows XP just to watch it. That's what I'm using right now. I personally think it's a keystroke logeger combined with a spyware program. I have tried to get into it YET, but from what I have experienced so far that's how it behaves. Microsoft is not alone in this: http://www.cryptome.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 ".Net Framework crap" Ha, that's cute. The .Net framework isn't spyware. I have a feeling you haven't the first clue what it is. You just read something on blackhelicoptersandtinfoilhats.com...and now youre running with it. I heard the government tapped your computer and phones to observe your every movement. They've already installed an Ubuntu listener on your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 The Firefox extension certainly is malware though, installed by MS through a Windows update without the user's permission. It was so bad that Mozilla actually made an update to Firefox that blocked the extension. Not to mention: This update adds to Firefox one of the most dangerous vulnerabilities present in all versions of Internet Explorer: the ability for websites to easily and quietly install software on your PC. Since this design flaw is one of the reasons you may've originally chosen to abandon IE in favor of a safer browser like Firefox, you may wish to remove this extension with all due haste. http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 That's not what the .net framework is though. Some firefox extension may open you up to vulnerabilities, but to damn the application platform that about 90% of new websites are being developed with and probably 70% of form driven applications is moronic and underscores bottomfeeders alarmist reaction to everything. It's also moronic to dump windows for Ubuntu because of a firefox extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 That's not what the .net framework is though. Some firefox extension may open you up to vulnerabilities, but to damn the application platform that about 90% of new websites are being developed with and probably 70% of form driven applications is moronic and underscores bottomfeeders alarmist reaction to everything. It's also moronic to dump windows for Ubuntu because of a firefox extension. WINDOWS XP I believe .NET Framework came into existence in 2000 and maybe prior. http://en.wikipedia..../.NET_Framework Software development tool. Okay, so why do I have four boot sectors? Why do I hear boots coming from my hard drive when there is no reason to boot. Why, when I got an update did dome unidentified user show up in my profiles for .NET Framework. I know it's got to be some kind of networking or server program, but it can be used to spy. It slows down everything from loading in Firefox and sometimes they won't load at all. This came from no black helicopter site, it's just my observation. While you're at it please explain it's purpose and the reasoning behind the extension add for Firefox? Also, I would like to know how to uninstall it from Windows XP without affecting other programs. I'm not interested in writing code for Microsoft, not that I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I don't know the reasoning behind the plugin. And I don't fault you for being skeptical of a plugin that is installed in firefox. But to dismiss the entire .net platform because of it is overreaching. I wouldn't uninstall it as it's not just for software development. It's also the framework that RUNS many applications in windows. .Net by itself is not a threat. A program installed could be a threat, but it's not because of the framework. It's because of the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted February 27, 2010 Author Share Posted February 27, 2010 I don't know the reasoning behind the plugin. And I don't fault you for being skeptical of a plugin that is installed in firefox. But to dismiss the entire .net platform because of it is overreaching. I wouldn't uninstall it as it's not just for software development. It's also the framework that RUNS many applications in windows. .Net by itself is not a threat. A program installed could be a threat, but it's not because of the framework. It's because of the program. I appreciate your input. It's always appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Yeah, I didn't uninstall the .NET framework from my laptop. I just removed that Firefox extension. MS had no business installing that without my permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share Posted March 2, 2010 If you wish you can go to the 12:00 minute mark. http://video.google....89951972115131# Hacker Develops Tool To Hide Malware in .NET Framework http://www.darknet.o...-net-framework/ White paper on technique: http://applicationsecurity.co.il/english/NETFrameworkRootkits/tabid/161/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Sigh... There's a 9 year old distro of Red Hat you can install...nobody is making any hacks or malware to target that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 Sigh... There's a 9 year old distro of Red Hat you can install...nobody is making any hacks or malware to target that. I'm running Linux Redhat 9.0 in another hard drive. The learning curve is tough because it's my first Linux distro. I bought it back in 2002 at the micro center in Westmont, IL for $30. I recently loaded it on my old dying hard drive. The hard drive eventually failed and so I partitioned it on another drive with Ubuntu. I really want to get into Debian 5.0 though because of the applications involved in automation. This would lessen risk of malware as more time would be spent offline. Believe it or not, I trust Windows XP over Linux because Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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