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6 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

If you cheat, are you "alpha"?  If you change the rules to benefit yourself, are you "alpha"?  If you win little but create mass destruction, are you "alpha"?

My point is,,, these people being defined as "alpha" really aren't, only when they must be.  The need to be continuously "alpha", to be perceived as "alpha", is more likely someone who has deep seeded insecurities.

an alpha may cheat, but cheating =/= alpha. using your will to bring about conditions that favor you could be another defining characteristic though.

10 minutes ago, cole256 said:

That's a competitive person but not necessarily an alpha

agree. thats why i said "for one" as in one characteristic.

12 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

If you say so.  What characteristic makes them "alpha"?

for one, they want to win at everything. everything is a competition with alpha types and they wanted to win at everything, typically.

its soooooo early in the season too. that one of the worst parts. if a change was made, would any decent coach even start fielding offers this early?

19 minutes ago, metafour said:

Then give me your objective metrics, hotshot.

Let me guess, Gus won marginally more games at Auburn vs. Freeze at Ole Miss? And that means he's better?

Auburn football has competed or should have competed for a national championship at least once in almost every decade going back god knows how long (2013, 2010, 2004, 1993, etc, etc). Remind me the last time that Ole Miss has been a serious threat to compete for a title.

There is no one who actually knows anything about football who thinks that Gus Malzahn is a better coach than Hugh Freeze. And that was basically your claim. Sure, if you want to talk about who is the better human being or less likely to do something stupid, then it's not really a contest. On the field, Freeze is a better offensive mind and he's a better recruiter.

pick one a metric, it doesn't matter.

the format here has had me say gus is a better coach to make a point. truly the point i want to make is 1)i don't want freeze primarily because of his character and not necessarily due to his coaching prowess and 2) if i am looking at coaching prowess i do not see, AS A WHOLE, much if any differences between gus and freeze. i don't want gus back and i don't want freeze.

idk, there is a reason gus is where he is and freeze is where he is. i don't want either. you guys take that personally for some reason, not sure why.

11 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Gus needed solid oline play for his offense to be successful, no matter what version of the offense he had at the time. Imo his biggest killer was making terrible Oline coach hires and failing to recruit talented offensive lineman at a consistent level. Had he done that, his offenses would probably always be good enough to compete for championships. 

i agree with this mostly. 2010 was possible because of Cam and the heavy vet oline from tubberville. 2013 was possible from the heavy vet oline from chizik's recruiting.

edit: i should say vet heavy TALENTED olinmen. not just upperclassmen, though they were that too.

12 minutes ago, metafour said:

 

Freeze is a better coach than Gus, easily. Using "measurables" means absolutely nothing considering that one guy coached at Auburn, and the other at Ole Miss. There is a drastic difference between those two programs making any head to head comparison very stupid. Freeze also inherited a complete rebuild whereas Gus inherited a talented roster that Chizik recruited but fell apart due to off-field nonsense. Gus does nothing better than Freeze, except for non-football related qualities.

The Gus show at UCF so far should prove to you that he benefited from being at Auburn, not the other way around. Ironically, UCF is still way above Liberty in terms of program-power and I think that Freeze is still doing a better job (nearly beat a ranked Wake Forest team last week).

thats fine. you guys who want freeze can argue the "eye test" instead of more objective metrics. i disagree. but even if i accept that coaching wise there is little daylight between gus and freeze, all the fake holy roller BS and baggage that would come with freeze is enough to put me off of him. thats my opinion of course.

that said, if Auburn hires freeze, ill not like it, but i will hope he is VERY successful and if he is i will gladly come here and take every bit of "we F@#$ing told you!"

16 minutes ago, DAG said:

Based on your rebuttals I am not to worried. You couldn't even name a former player who competed for the starting Job for our beloved Auburn Tigers. Gus let's him walk. Three years later he is drafted in the third round under Freeze Tutelage. You literally just made my point. Not taking you serious man hahahaha. You don't even know your damn squad.

I know who Malik Willis is guy. Great, he got drafted too. I’m very happy for him. Hope it’s gets better for him than it went tonight. Gus had qbs drafted. You aren’t making the point you think you are.

Lol, you are welcome to conflate me not being impressed with freeze’s record at liberty for “not knowing my squad” if you like. Good luck with you campaigning.

8 minutes ago, DAG said:

Again educate yourself. He had him for more than one year. You are embarrassing yourself. Ever heard of Chad Kelly? Didn't Gus have Malik Willis? LMAO

Lol, trust me, not embarrassed at all I can’t rattle off no name qbs freeze coached. Yeah gus did have willis. He didn’t play him and let him transfer What’s your point? I’m not advocating to get gus back either.

I was genuinely curious why you push so hard for freeze. You didn’t give compelling reasons. By all measurables gus is a better coach. 

3 hours ago, DAG said:

If he had not beat Bama twice . That’s hilarious ! how many times has your favorite candidate beat Bama? You don’t know who Malik Willis is? Really ? I don’t think you can have this discussion until you do a little more research haha 

Gus beat bama more, had more hardware, and overall was a better coach than huge freeze by all metrics.

having Malik Willis one year at liberty doesn’t make him some great qb developer it makes him fortunate to have a blue chipper at a tiny school.

haha

1 minute ago, DAG said:

No I am being dead serious . He really did accomplish all of the stuff I mentioned . You can google it. There is a reason Nick Saban wanted him.

i don't know if he can recruit or not because he got ole miss in trouble for shadiness and end up having to leave and they had to vacate (haha) a lot of his wins.

in his years at ole miss they were 6-6, 7-6, 9-3, 9-3, 3-7. and if he had not beat alabama twice there wouldn't be any more to say.

i honestly can't remember one of his qbs. thats probably more on me than him. but we have established qb doesn't matter if the line can't block.

5 minutes ago, DAG said:

Yep:

He literally has been successful at every division of football (look it up)

He can recruit 

He can develop QBs

He has SEC experience 

He knows the landscape 

The drawback is his dopamine is way out of wack. Too much horniness, lack of insight. We need to get him into a psych NP and I know just the guy. 

my bad, i didn't realize you were being facetious

Mods, put the OP with the dan mullen thread guy pls, thx.

Just now, autiger88 said:

He thinks he's hot. /s 😁

if he is hot, its probably due to some sort of infection.

2 minutes ago, DAG said:

We don’t get you non hugh freeze guys 

im sure i missed it, but have you put forward why you like him for the HC so much?

i don't get you hugh freeze guys.

i don't get the folks who want freeze. if he had not beaten alabama twice would anyone even be talking about him?

1 minute ago, bigbird said:

CBH had to create, not revamp, but create a recruiting department and build a expanded and competent off field staff.  That alone is better off..

However, just like the last 5 years, it will all come down to OL recruiting.

and that takes time. unfortunately it can't be gained back in one (maybe even 2) classes. but steps forward are required.

3 minutes ago, DAG said:

This just was too much of an uphill battle for him. CBH will be successful after his tour at Auburn. I have no doubt in my mind about that. The vindictiveness of some here is ridiculous though. This is not an easy place to be and win at. The next guy will have to be a wizard and also deserves more patience than CBH received. Interesting to see the response this week. 

it would have been an uphill battle for the best of coaches. harsin seemingly didn't adapt to his changing landscape. in other words he didn't try and help himself in an already bad situation. i wish it wasn't the case. i truly wanted him and Auburn to be successful.

2 minutes ago, tgrogan21 said:

I would be ecstatic for a National Championship in 6 years and an SEC Championship. lol He also hasn't lost more than 2 games since his first season and has been in a New Years Bowl every year since that first. It's not just about winning national titles but being consistently one of the best.

I know we have a bigger hill to climb but Smart and Dabo are 2 perfect examples that you don't need HC experience if you learned from a good coach.

yes, im not suggesting this isn't a great outcome, im saying even as well as he has done there in that situation its still taken 6 years for an NC and he has only won one seccg. as has been said ad nausium here, once you get "your guy" you have to give him time and resources. and Auburn is in much worse shape than uga was when smart got there.

6 minutes ago, tgrogan21 said:

I don't think you need an experienced head coach. Kirby Smart had 0 HC experience before getting the job at Georgio. Dabo had 0 HC experience before Clemson. If you go with a guy that has no HC experience, they have to have come from a great coaching tree and/or they've had 3+ years as offensive coordinator and be a great recruiter. Those 2 things plus having SEC coaching experience are must haves in my opinion.

I am like Bird where I would absolutely LOVE to have Grimes. At least we know he would address our awful OL.

and not that smart didn't hit the ground running, but its taken him 6 years to win a NC and he has only won one sec championship. and richt didn't leave the roster empty. we have a much bigger hill to climb.

#1A and 1B is a recruiter. if you have a top class recruiter they can not only recruit players but other coaches/recruiters as well.

5 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

No, u didn't 

Lol, ok guy

12 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

 Look  I didn't say it would happen.  Thamel broke Harsin coming to AU. Thamel was also one the reporters that Harsin called during the coup attempt in Feb. Hence the TIFWIW disclaimer

I quoted you