fasttimes

at this point id settle for a ron zook type who can just stack O and D line talent even if the coaching chops aren't tip top, but recruiting recruiting recruit needs to be priorities A-D.

Chiz won the Natty with Can but just as importantly with T-ville's senior good oline. Gus almost won the natty with chiz's continued good senior oline. 

The recruiting is absolutely top priority because it doesn't matter who good your plays are if the talent isn't there it doesn't matter. The talent trumps the coaching ability 9 times out of 10. Sabam isn't the best in game coach but he has the best players so it more than compensates. Same with Kirby mostly.

We need someone who can get us top talent.

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

It might have to wait until Harsin loses the team similar to how Chizik did in 2012.  Harsin has a propensity for holding a lead and going for it on 4th down that blows up in his face and is the catalyst for our opponent to come back for a win.  He did it at SC last year, in the IB last year, he would have another bone headed move in the Missouri game if they would have made that chip shot of a field goal and, of course, last night that lead to the go ahead TD.  

The team is behind him, but if he keeps it up and greatly puts the defense in a no win situation the questions will start to rise in the one group he is counting on.  That is when, in 2012, the possibility of firing Chizik just two years removed from a NC started to become a reality.

I don't see him losing the team like chizik. Didn't chizik lose the team due to allowing the assistants show/have favoritism toward different players? 

Jeff fisher is just a running joke right? Just the bar at which any greater odds means a candidate isn't really an option, yes?

10 hours ago, CamZilla_15 said:

Why? The coach/coaching staff didn’t throw the interceptions and muff the punt?

The coaches prep the players. Idk who muffed the punt but he had no business trying to field that thing. Get away and at least keep the ball. That’s coaching.

the WR pass, there should be a throw away option, didn’t look he had a clue that was an option. That’s on the coaches.

the not using the read option with Robbie more, on the coaches.

Continuing to call plays where it’s obvious tank is getting the ball and him getting hammered before the line of scrimmage, on the coaches.

1 hour ago, Viper said:

 

But 2013 OL >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 OL

Yeah, that 2013 line was closer to the 2010 team. No game plan is going yo make up for that.

22 minutes ago, bigbird said:

He had been here for years 

So, indictment of both staffs?

19 minutes ago, WarTiger said:

would be the biggest mistake in the history of Auburn football (and that says a lot given what we have now)

Why do you say that?

34 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Says the guy who isn’t spending any money.   

Is that the criteria now?

1 hour ago, aubaseball said:

Because it would be damn near impossible to hire a future coach worth a damn when you fire one who is currently 3-1 and just got a win.   Whether it was deserved or not, doesn’t matter.   Let the season play out over the next several weeks, auburn will show its true colors.   Then it will be justified.    Auburn might be the worst team in conference.   We know Missouri is better…only vandy and SC left.  

This is the same attitude that kept Gus around longer than he should been, IMO. It's not the losing (or winning in this case). Its how we lose/win. That was not a competitive game today and it was against a team that will likely finish last in the east. Recruiting is not going well at all, and this is only our first sec game. 

If we fire harsin we might end up with another guy like him, but can't let the fear of striking out keep us from trying to get it right when its clear this ain't it. 

@ScotsAUmy bad, I meant I disagree with the idea of coaches not getting more time. I agree totally that harsin isn't doing anything to earn that time. 

10 minutes ago, ScotsAU said:

This isn’t 2005 anymore. Heck, it isn’t 2015 anymore. The transfer portal has changed everything. You don’t (and shouldn’t) get 4-5 years to develop your program anymore. If you see a weakness, hit the portal. Want players that fit your scheme? Hit the portal. Want to instill your culture? Hit the portal. Harsin has done Jack squat to address our issues while creating all new ones.

I disagree here. Harsin would have support if he were making/showing progress in some way, but he isn't. He isn't killing on the recruiting trail, he isn't showing player development, he isn't winning over the fan base, and he isn't fielding a team that looks capable of winning the west. If he were doing any of these things he would have more support and probably more time, but there isn't one item anyone can point to that is going in The right direction. 

I'm admittedly not a coach or media member buy I'd say our biggest challenge is blocking the opposing teams defense. 

Quite the contrary, they kept trying to hand it to us.

The more I think about sanders the more I think he is low risk/high reward. If this season goes the way it looks right now, we would be hard presses to get much worse and we know deion would bring in the talent. I agree its not very likely but I've warmed considerably over the week. 

If we beat LSU there is no reason we shouldn't also beat one or both ms schools. But the thrashing we will take from uga and bama will be so severe I don't think getting to 4-1 will matter much. 

1 hour ago, AUght2win said:

The NFL candidate had to be Harbaugh.

That was my guess

6 minutes ago, fasttimes said:

you all consider freeze as a "big name"?

my bad, OP said "prominent" not "big name". carry on.

you all consider freeze as a "big name"?

18 hours ago, bigbird said:

IMO, Stoops' program building process is a bit slow for what we need.

do you not think that could be a result of where he is and maybe not his process? meaning, could he do build a program faster at Auburn?

i know thats a speculative/hypothetical question.

49 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I'll throw in a little caveat here: The recruiting service rankings record two things, numbers of recruits and the average star power of recruits. Clemson has had a unique approach in that annually they signed well below the permitted numbers but did have some outstanding prospects in those fewer players.

Clemson had the star power and difference makers. Their recruiting rankings are lower than one might expect because of low total numbers.

they have also paid a price in the last few years undersigning those classes.

4 minutes ago, DAG said:

The same stuff freeze was doing, they are just better at hiding it.  Texas spent close to a million dollars in hosting the Mannings. Do people really think guys signed to NS solely because his dance moves? Winning solidifies it and makes it easier for him of course. 

if that is the case (and it may very well be) then quite literally almost EVERYONE is better at hiding it than freeze was.

2 minutes ago, Auburn Tiger said:

That’s the question, though, isn’t it? What is it that Saban and Smart do that gets them all the top recruits? Why aren’t we doing that same stuff? It’s baffling to me. 

yeah, look, im not naive enough to think its not possible saban and smart aren't doing the same things freeze got in trouble for, but the difference is they are smart enought not to get caught.

18 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

How was Freeze as a recruiter?I know he got his hand caught in the cookie jar . But overall who is a better recruiter.. Kiffin or Freeze

hard to know, isn't it? he had a couple of top ten classes at ole miss, but was that due to money and prostitutes or because he was actually good at recruiting? and i got lit up for saying it but gus had 5 or 6 top ten classes, fwiw.

either way, ive never heard him said to be any thing close to saban or smart as a recruiter. and to be fair ive not heard that about kiffin either.

1 hour ago, Didba said:

He re-injured himself hitting tennis balls at a team bonding event supposedly.

WHAT?!?

as for who to start vs missou, i would pick ONE and they them play. i do not enjoy the 2 qb system.