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This is true. Fox News told me so. Can't remember exactly when. I'd look up the article but I'm not letting those Trump Derangement jerks lead me down THAT rabbit hole again.

Stroke?

Yeah, I do wonder why Columbia is being so weak on this. Not like they're struggling to find people that want to go there.

"Experimenting" with Kirk Cameron?

Stroke?

And maybe you should watch a news service that isn't a proven liar. I already told you that reports of people not being allowed to observe were debunked, but you're so damn lazy that you couldn't even look up the very clip you were talking about to prove your point. Guessing it doesn't exist, or if it does you know it's garbage and easily proven wrong. Your willful ignorance is really a sight to behold. Wasn't enough to be laughingstock on the sports boards - you have to prove it here, too.

You're absolutely right, and I had actually come back in to make this point. I do give Johnson some credit, and he has earned some respect, but it may have sounded more praiseworthy than I meant it to earlier.

Agreed. Just speculating. Honestly I have no idea what the Democrats' next play will be. Maybe they don't have one. Could be that Johnson is just like some of the other Republican leaders recently and is fed up enough he doesn't care if he gets voted out, so the Dems didn't have to give him anything.

Mikey if the "poor voter eligibility leading to suspicion" had been your only argument, none of the rest of this conversation would have taken place, but then you went on about (and still are, based on the above) people not being allowed to observe, just throwing out what you "heard" and with nothing to back it up. I understand the voter ID thing causing suspicion. Your argument about oversight is complete BS, and that's what I was pointing out. I barely even addressed the voter ID part (and when I did I said I didn't oppose it, though it would depend on how it's implemented). What don't you get about that?

Agreed. I see Dub's point - Johnson really should have allowed this to be done months ago - but I'm going to hope this has been a turning point for him. He's been immersed in MAGA for a while, and when you're that deep it's hard to see out of it. As Speaker he's got a different perspective. I'm not going to hold my breath that he's suddenly going to hug everyone on the other side of the aisle, or vice versa, but maybe we can have a quasi-functioning House.

Considering the crazy of MAGA these days, I do. Whether or not he survives as Speaker, he's still got to go back to a state where a large percentage of people will likely be pissed at him. Wouldn't be surprised, particularly by the latter. Maybe Dems promised to capitulate on a few items in an immigration bill?

What I have trouble grasping is the mindlessness that contributes to the distrust of our institutions. What you're referencing has nothing close to facts to back it up, yet you happily parrot it as the system being corrupt and pat yourself on the back for not having the wool pulled over your eyes. If you were to read anyone else put up arguments like you have in this thread, you would be embarrassed for them, and rightfully so.

I was pleasantly surprised. Certainly I'm not going to agree with many of his social stances, but he earned some respect today. It's much easier to be an ideologue when you aren't in the big chair, and can rail without consequence against the person that is. Once you're there it's a far more difficult job. Most of us see it as him doing the right thing, while the MAGA wing immediately called him a sellout. Props to him, since he knew that was coming. Hopefully they can use this momentum to come to an agreement on immigration.

O,,,,,k? Why the hell would I think your referencing the remarks of people in Alabama would have to do with voter fraud in other states that they couldn't possibly have witnessed? Are you seriously saying that people in Alabama telling you about voter fraud in other states are "legitimate" sources?