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1 hour ago, AUght2win said:

I worked for the AD as a student and was not paid.

When was this? I dont remember anyone who wasnt paid when i was there. 

1 hour ago, AUght2win said:

Draft won’t ever work because not every school has the majors kids want. Kris Frost a few years back was an aviation major. AU was one of the few schools to have that program. If a school without his major drafts him, what’s he supposed to do? 

That’s why this stuff is messy. You can’t draft kids into going to your school and being a student.

If his degree is more important than the money, he can still go student route, go to Auburn get his degree and not be paid outside if the said graduation bonus. He can still go pro, gets his education, and all the other current benefits. 

Or if he would rather money, he can always take the cash and go to school after his football career. 

45 minutes ago, AUght2win said:

Well that’s where the narrative comes in. That money is going to a school. It’s being spent to fund other sports and programs. In the same token, what’s the macro amount of money all of high school football brings in per year? If you’re going to look at school programs the same way you’d like at a private business, there’s also an ethical dilemma at the HS level.

Another problem is very VERY few kids have a case to credit themselves, as individuals, for bringing in the money to schools.

Every fan wants their team to succeed, and individual players contribute to that success.

But how can you quantify what a 3rd string WR who never sees the field should make? Does he really have an argument that he is responsible for moving the needle in either direction in terms of his school’s football profits? If you break it down, a player like that is probably overpaid currently with their total scholarship and housing/food/training costs.

People want to apply private business standards to CFB. I just want answers to the questions that are raised when you do that. 

If the league is run like a business with a draft option for the top talent introducing league minimums and a scholarship track for the less talented you can fix that. The draft guy can't transfer and can be cut. You can offer an incentive graduation bonus for the transfer option players and bar them from moving up to the paid tier even if through transfer. 

On 8/19/2022 at 3:19 PM, CT Tiger said:

Yeah I am pretty much right there with you. I always found the argument that student athletes can't also be employees because their students to not make much sense. There are all types of student workers on college campuses, from TA and research assistant to working in bookstores, various offices, rec centers and other facilities. Why can't athletes who compete at the highest collegiate level, especially as the workhorses in a multibillion dollar industry, also be considered as a type of employee? (Other than screwing them out of a cut of profits and the ability to unionize.)

Relying solely on an unregulated NIL model with an unrestricted transfer portal is much worse, IMO. The best students can just transfer to the highest bidder after each season. 

Hell, the students who work for the AD are paid. From admin to coaching assistants to film, they are all paid at the big universities. 

The big schools also give the student assistants the same access to resources. I worked out with the team, saw the team doc, met with Dr Andrews, was able to get the team tutors, etc. 

On 8/19/2022 at 10:01 AM, Mikey said:

I had several football and basketball players in some of my AU classes. I thought they were normal students, with a part-time job that took up way more time than my 20-hour a week job took. One football classmate told me his grades looked like a saw blade: up in the summer, down in fall, up in winter, down in spring.

The guys I knew were concerned with their grades, just like the rest of us were.

Auburn has a major dedicated to passing idiot athletes. Student athlete hasn't been a thing in your big sports for a while. 

Usually the ones with real degrees weren't your stars, starters, or studs. 

Add in the nearly infinite on demand resources given to athletes and even during the season there is no reason for issues. 

5 hours ago, JOSEPHIAMLEGEND75@GMAIL.CO said:

I was thinking more of Jetgate. Not saying we'll get the same results but....

The difference level of talent between then and now is crazy. Both in an Auburn to Auburn comparison as well as Auburn vs the rest. 

11 hours ago, AUght2win said:

It will ultimately never work without some sort of NFL development league apart from college football.

If it’s going to be college football, you have to have the kids go to college. And you can’t have a draft or trades or anything like that intertwined with kids pursuing degrees.

But if you remove the student requirement, it’s then just a pro league with no connection to the schools. Which won’t work either.

They’ll definitely try this stuff out, though. Weird times ahead. 

Check out Mike Leaches idea. In all the chaos, it seems to be the best idea I e seen yet

48 minutes ago, DAG said:

This was always the goal , IMO. Just setting up specifics now.

Many here laughed and said never gonna happen over the last year when I've said it's inevitable.  

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34414293/college-football-playoff-board-discusses-possibility-potential-restructuring-how-college-football-governed-sources-say,

The 11 college presidents and chancellors who make up the College Football Playoff's Board of Managers met via Zoom on Monday and began a discussion that could reshape the future of college sports, sources told ESPN.

Multiple sources told ESPN that the Board of Managers briefly discussed the possibility of restructuring how college football is governed, with the idea presented of major college football potentially being governed outside of the NCAA. The most logical place for the sport to be run outside of the NCAA would be under the auspices of the CFP, which was discussed on the call. The CFP currently oversees the sport's postseason playoff and has contractual ties to other marquee postseason bowl games.

Sources cautioned that these discussions are in such early stages that it could be considered the first steps of a complicated process that would resemble a marathon. The sources added that the group spoke about the idea for only about five minutes, as it was raised as something the group should think more about down the line.

3 hours ago, W.E.D said:

I'd kill for a 60% comp guy

Ya'll seen our QBs the last 3 years?

We had 60% the last 2 years.

16 minutes ago, GreenTiger said:

Easy Karen. It’s just a CFB message board 

K guy

28 minutes ago, Didba said:

Not excuses. Just what I've read from multiple LSU fans but I'm sure you are more correct about one of their players then they are. I would post more screenshots but I'm pretty busy at work today. 

He is a 60% completion guy. He couldn't run. He was barely their best guy in 2020 and was 3rd in line this season before he quit. 

I watched his film with a D1 OC and QB coach when he entered the portal last year with the US potential of offering him. Idgaf what some random fan says. Especially since you own screenshot talks about him being strung along when better QBs were on the team.

15 minutes ago, GreenTiger said:

I thought it was a fun fact. Sorry it upset you so much. 

Sure bud

20 minutes ago, GreenTiger said:

For what it’s worth. In 2020 TJ beat a USCe team that Bo Nix could not beat. 🤷🏼‍♂️

This isn't a discussion about bo. Irrelevant and useless to the discussion on the ability of TJ. 

Especially considering that that same loser to USC Bo throughly beat TJ out of the starting job essentially twice last season. Both as opening day starter, then again after the Ga St fiasco. I'll speak no more of Bo in this discussion. 

1 hour ago, Didba said:

Myles Brennan quit because his multiple injuries basically ruined his career, and he had graduated. Finley was competing with MB before his injuries occurred I believe.  Further, TJ never had a spring football program until 2022. Context is important.

He had 1 football injury and a fishing accident. He was talked out of transferring by Kelly. He wasn't some broken person who was a shell of his former glory. You're making excuses. Had he been in line to start he still plays for LSU. He quit because he lost the job. 

Finley wasn't competing with Brennan prior to his 2020 injury.  He was competing for backup with Max Johnson now at TAMU. Brennan was the brightest in a box of 10 watt bulbs. 

As far as his lack of spring, he has 2 seasons of real game playing time and practice reps. Spring is very important but not near as much so as actually strapping it on. His issues are not ones which are fixed in spring ball. 

19 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

Finley may not be the guy. But to be fair he was 2d tier to a 5 star at LSU, then a 5 Star at Auburn. Whoever gets the starting nod, we will have a clear picture of this team’s potential come third game vs PSU. 

He was behind Myles Brennan(4*) who has now quit football because he wasn't going to be the starter at LSU this year and split time with Max Johnson(4*) who transfered to TAMU

He did not have to play behind anyone of quality, especially not a 5* at LSU. 

He was a freshman in 2020 so it's expected he wouldn't light up the world. Then last year we got a good look at a kid in his 2nd year of college look just as pedestrian as his time at LSU. 

TJ, as he has performed in games up to this point, is a career college backup.

5 hours ago, LPTiger said:

The backup QB is often the most popular player among fans who don't see practices and don't get paid to win like coaches.  Folks who are anti TJ are not real Auburn fans and probably have other issues.

Folks are anti TJ because they have seen him be a 2nd tier QB at 2 different schools now. 

If something clicks and it all comes together then he will show it and people will love him in the improved state. 

If it's the same ol TJ, we all know what we're getting and it isn't good. 

Just like the last few years when people decided to hate Bo the person and not Bo the QB, one can hope and pray TJ isn't our best option without any personal attacks. 

22 minutes ago, bigbird said:

With as much emphasis has been placed on competition, I don't see him playing anyone that isn't the best.

Results > Feelings

If he goes the feelings route, this will be his last season. 

 

That’s not true. Late bloomers and small school kids fly under the radar all the time.

I didn't say it never happens, just that it is rare. 

 

No doubt that a lot of what Tubbs said was uninformed but the general idea that what we now have is lacking in regulation is true. I personally don't think Congress is the place to address it.  That said there needs to be some modification to control what is happening and to help the the young people in college athletics and not just the stars. 

I am not quite sure who should be modifying it and how it should be done to help all college scholarship players while still allowing the stars who bring in the most money to get a larger share. It will never be a 100% fair it never has been in the past some schools through their boosters just have more resources then others.

You also have to be careful that you don't hurt other areas while try to find the balance. If boosters are paying players indirectly through NIL will they be donating as much to building things like Performance Center or additions to Baseball fields or Jordon Hare. Even rich boosters have a limit on how much they will donate.

The fix is simple. The big boys break off from the NCAA and form a league. Hell, even using the Leach plan would fix most of the issues. 

 

I don’t know that that’s true.

Let’s take a look at how signing classes used to work in the SEC: 25 high school kids. Now let’s be conservative and estimate that each school brings in an average of 7 transfers per seasons, which cuts the HS slots down to 18 per class.

So in the SEC alone, 98 high school kids per year who would normally be getting a scholarship, now won’t be.

Maybe these kids go to G5 schools instead? But remember, the same process is happening there. So now G5 prospects are getting pushed out. The trickle down goes on.

The bottomline is HS kids’ options become a lot slimmer and a lot less practical. Diamonds in the rough aren’t being found because the recruiting focus is shifting to transfers. It’s not good for the sport.

A Diamond in the rough is being found. It's hard to be a quality player and not be known in today's age. 

 

Ole Miss took 18 High school commits last season, almost a full regular class worth. 

And my point was the transfers they bring in still have to be filled from the other school. The scholarship isn't going away.

It may mean fewer slots for high school players at a few certain schools that take in a bunch of transfers in any given year, but I'm not seeing it decrease the total number of incoming high school players into college ball by any significant measure like tubs was alluding to. 

A 3* with a year or 2 of decent college film will almost always be taken over the 3* out of highschool. 

 

Sorry - the cop was doing his job he is supposed to stop people for not wearing helmets. If you want to rail against the law for requiring helmets I could understand that. I am sure that the cop has handed out tickets to other students for not wearing helmets. All Finley had to do was stop get ticket and issue was over.  Finley has shown to be a fine young man but the key is young and when we are young we some times do stupid things. I know I did a long time ago.

JuSt DoInG hIs JoB

 

Of course this happens on day 1 of fall camp. Had Jovon Robinson flashbacks today. This can/will be fixed real easily, but damn, it could've been handled a lot quicker/quieter had it been played better. Oh well. Doubt he gets booted off the team, but at minimum, best case for him, it's not helping his case in the QB race. It can only hurt his chances, unfortunately for him.

IDT this does anything for the QB race. Not unless they are literally even, no difference at all. If he is the best chance to win, Harsin isn't going to not play him in a year when his neck is on the line. 

 

Not the right forum, dude.

It is no better or worse than those discussing the right if wrong of TJ running.

That being said, I said what I said, and I have nothing more to add or to say about that. 

 

Someone get this guy started on seatbelt laws

Don't threaten me with a good time.