GunsmithAU

1 hour ago, NWALA Tiger said:

Some differences yes, but also some similarities as well.. Another reason not to rely heavily on the portal is the rules are always changing. Hard to sustain a program with ever changing rules. Don't get me wrong, it's possible to get a couple difference makers in portal, but can't sustain a program long term that way. IMO

What the portal looks like 2 years from now doesn't matter, as of today, a team can be sustained by the portal. 

The leach plan may be the best way moving forward. 

4 hours ago, NWALA Tiger said:

Compare it to going heavy on the JUCO players which no one really does anymore 

Big difference in juco and transfers. 

Most juco studs were guys who didn't have the grades or had some other issue pop up. 

Were seeing a lot of transfers who were starters or got extensive playing time at top tier competition. 

10 hours ago, Hank2020 said:

True but it could mean success against Mercer and failure against Bama. Noone can tell when it will work, just that percentages are with you. It is fine if you could use it eith situational awareness, but if you do that you skew the statistics, so slant them against you.

But the chances of using the stats against mercer are almost 0. This wouldn't be used in a game you dominate, unless in the 1st few drives. 

Yet regardless of the analytics, this discussion started on kiffen as a coach. He took a 4-8 team to 5-5 in an all sec COVID year, then put together the schools 1st 10 win season. No scandals, fans love him, thus far recruiting just fine. Next 2 years really define what kind of HC he will be after his nick Saban coach rehab program, but between Boca and ole miss, he is killing it. 

50 minutes ago, Hank2020 said:

Statistics do not lie about the past, but are only predictors of future in generalities. You can never predict that the next time will be the result you are looking for. Thats why most coaches in sports use them to stay away from negative statistics rather than in this case aleays going for it on 4th down bc sometimes it costs you so much when the negative happens (as it always does sooner or later).

But it can equally be argued that following the pattern will lead to success more often than not. 

Just now, NWALA Tiger said:

LOL OK

But yeah analytics bad, we prefer hard nosed losing seasons ugg

Just now, NWALA Tiger said:

LOL OK

I'll trade our win against ole miss for their record any day of the week. 

5 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

He may be better than Gus, but I can imagine the uproar on this board if he was AU coach and used his "analytics" like he did against AU last year. Those decisions  helped cost Ole Miss the game . AU fans would have wanted to ship him  off to Chop Suey China

Meh I'm fine with analytics. Most coaches use them. Statistics don't lie, but stistics done matter to the individual. It's a balance game. Can't really bitch about a 10 win season as ole miss. 

1 minute ago, e808 said:

Whatever u want to say that’s ur opinion. There are plenty of plays that I can point to if executed properly would have changed the trajectory of many seasons and whether Auburn passed more had nothing to do with it.

Yea, ever game played by any losing team ever has "if executed" plays. 

10 minutes ago, provibe said:

Applaud! That’s a really awesome positive attitude there!!

Hey, we can't let this positivity go unchecked into sunshine pumping territory. 

Thank me for doing the lord's work.

27 minutes ago, kennypowers said:

He can recruit. Salesman.  He can't deliver however.  Just Gus but at ole miss.  And with more baggage.  He'll be gone in the next 2 seasons. Great OC.  Bad HC.  

He did a damn good job as HC in Boca and has this far been very good at ole miss. 

Gus didn't have half this guys career as an innovative and successful offensive mind. 

If true he will never be a great HC, he will still always be a better coach option than Gus. 

28 minutes ago, oracle79 said:

Good job Mikey. You do not disappoint with your always negative take on anything Auburn/Harsin related (Hillard is the exception that proves the rule).

Now I need some more reality checking to slow this positive momentum roll. Step up @GunsmithAU, @passthebiscuits, etc.

Ask and you shall receive. 

Meh. Not lights out, bit a decent developmental prospect. Destined for a redshirt so we shall see if Harsin can "coach em up" if he survives his impending back to back losing seasons. 

20 hours ago, e808 said:

This particular matter isn’t exclusive to one coach it’s always been Auburn football for as long as I can remember. U have a good defense, line up and smash u in the mouth and passing sprinkled in.  IMO the issue isn’t passing it’s the execution hasn’t been up to par. The majority of the games Auburn lost was because of poor execution whether it was turnovers, overthrown or under thrown balls. It wasn’t because they needed a 1k receiver

Gtfo with this execution nonsense. That's some gus level plan was perfect, players didn't play horse***t. 

Scheme and play calling are the reason we are here. Not that we didn't execute. We lost the majority of our games from scheme and play calling. 

Hell by this garbage take, we should just go back to a power and and ExEcUtE ever play. 

1 hour ago, e808 said:

Just as easily as passing can win u a game it can lose a game real fast as well. I just think it’s to much emphasis on this. If Auburn didn’t have all the negativity right now this wouldn’t even be an issue. It’s basically pile it on while they are down. Auburn strength is the running game and timely passing to keep people honest. Auburn just needs to win games. However, that is accomplished. 
 

*Remember the results of the last two times Auburn went outside of what they did best

No it's the perfect emphasis. Imagine how much better AU would have been over the last decade if we had a competent passing attack? 

Sure it's piling on. We literally have guys in the NFL who couldn't do what bobby no name did at northwest state for the mentally insane. All because of poor coaching and offensive scheming. 

6 minutes ago, slyinsocal said:

Nevermind. The hate is pretty strong and personal. It's a good look, too. Really. Carry on.

Yea, that's what I thought. 

31 minutes ago, e808 said:

Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, CMac, Saquon don’t impact games to name a few. Not every team can be the Chiefs. We can agree to disagree. 

Auburn biggest issue is QB play. In most games passes were under throw or overthrown. It’s not like Auburn doesn’t throw at all.

Derrick Henry is by far the best RB in the league since he joined. His team is literally built around him. He has been given everything needed to win.  They still haven't been able to bring it home. 

This isn't an agree to disagree issue. A strong rushing attack is a compliment, not a basis. Passing wins. Period. 

We can agree QB play has been lackluster. But even when we had stidham who was a freaking stud for us, we never had a WR who could get open, make plays, demand double teams.

28 minutes ago, e808 said:

Also in the NFL the QB and WR have more value because u can barely touch them if u ask me.

Obviously shouldn't have asked....

RBs have no shelf life, and aren't enough of impact players to determine games. 

A stud WR is. 

RBs are plug and play. Losing a top RB hurts, but losing a top WR is much worse. 

20 minutes ago, e808 said:

Respectfully ur logic can be countered as well. How many air raid or run and shoot offenses that are out there. How many championships have they won. The point is why throw if u can ran, keep the clock running and score. It’s not like Auburn is running the triple option. Auburn does take their shots down the field. Maybe not as most because they were a power running team. To me this is reaching like Auburn has been a losing program for decades 

Also in the NFL the QB and WR have more value because u can barely touch them if u ask me.

The bottom line to this is the teams that won the National Championship had the right players in place to run their system.

You're right, only pass teams do tend to fall into the same problem as Auburn, but who are the best OCs in the nation? It's not the ones putting up big run numbers. It's the guys coming from passing systems. They may or may not be balanced, but passing is the name of championship football with only 1 major exception, and that's having an insane D 

5 hours ago, Randman5000 said:

Gus was too conservative... He didn't really run HUNH. Only on first down and every one knew it was a repeat play. He only threw 50/50 balls or safe passes hence no prime receiver. Remember Jackson saw the field as a freshman not because of his hands or speed but because he was good at blocking. His best season was with Harsin with DRob / Kobe being WR1

It wasn't even the conservative approach, he has never shown the inclusion of modern passing concepts. This combined with his fear if throwing across the middle. 

The only national champion this decade  who couldn't throw the ball around was UGA this season behind probably the best D this century. 

This backward looking RBU nonsense doesn't win championships unless you also have an effective down field passing game. 

6 hours ago, e808 said:

Imo this is pointless. It’s not like Auburns bread and butter throughout the years hasn’t been the run game. The hunh was the Qb, RB or some type of jet sweep with receivers sprinkled in. Even with that stat I would think Auburn is easily in the upper echelon regarding win/losses. Points are points whether it’s the running back or the wide receiver. To me Tank and Shivers running over a person on the way to end zone is just as exciting as a long TD.🤷🏿‍♂️

This mentality holds the program back. You need a modern attacking passing game to win in today's world.  There is a reason WRs and QBs make bank in the NFL while RBs are expendable.

8 hours ago, slyinsocal said:

In 7 years, 5 1st places finishes and 2 2nd place finishes. That's not steady winning? Judge him on his performance at Auburn, but let's be reasonable.

Ummm, he only had 3 conference championships and 1 2nd place. 

At least get your numbers right. Any idiot should have won with the situation he inherited. He didn't tear it down, but he definitely left if stagnant. 

If you're going to judge on Auburn, it gets a hell of a lot worse for him. 

7 hours ago, TigerHorn said:

Harsin is a guy who's made a living on lower ranked players. 

Dude had the best recruiting in his conference and couldn't win it on a steady basis. 

8 hours ago, TigerHorn said:

Is AU building an organization and strategy around diamonds in the rough and 3* players?

We don't really have any diamonds in the rough now. Maybe some rubies or emeralds, but definitely no diamonds. 

This idea if coaching up 3* to beat 4 and 5 star laden teams is hogwash. They are getting just as much coaching as our 3*. 

The 3* who has the ceiling of NFL but currently plays at G5 or lower level isn't common and cannot be the basis for team building.

It'll be rare that a team of players with better average recruit who also have 3-4 years in a system will lose to worse players who have 4-5 years in a system. 

There are a lot of orange and blue colored glasses trying to justify this. 

On 6/21/2022 at 6:29 PM, au302 said:

This is called great scouting. Hats off to Zac and Schmed. Now close the deal and don't let another school mooch off our good work

This isn't great scouting. They didn't just find him on some other random tape or anything. 

Showing up to a camp and having D1 measureables/athleticism will automatically get you talked about. Having the fit and being smart almost guarantee you an offer for any school in Auburn position or worse. 

Wile this is much more rare now, a very large number of big time recruits have been discovered this way even as recent as 10 years ago. 

15 hours ago, AU1947 said:

As a season ticket holder since 1980 and having 16 tickets together this will probably be the last year that TUF and Auburn get my money..... so you all will be able to buy more tickets in a great lower level section!!

Because a 20 year old said something 20 year olds say? 

36 minutes ago, AU1947 said:

Well predictions are just that... game has to be played.. winner and end of season is what matters. I am more outraged by the tasteless post such as this one... shows a lack of leadership from the HC AND the AD