TexasTiger 13,017 Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Bush tries to fake the down home thing with real people: Mary is with us. Mary Mornin. How are you, Mary? MS. MORNIN: I'm fine. THE PRESIDENT: Good. Okay, Mary, tell us about yourself. MS. MORNIN: Okay, I'm a divorced, single mother with three grown, adult children. I have one child, Robbie, who is mentally challenged, and I have two daughters. THE PRESIDENT: Fantastic. First of all, you've got the hardest job in America, being a single mom. MS. MORNIN: Thank you. (Applause.) THE PRESIDENT: You and I are baby boomers. MS. MORNIN: Yes, and I am concerned about -- that the system stays the same for me. THE PRESIDENT: Right. MS. MORNIN: But I do want to see change and reform for my children because I realize that we will be in trouble down the road. THE PRESIDENT: It's an interesting point, and I hear this a lot -- will the system be the same for me? And the answer is, absolutely. One of the things we have to continue to clarify to people who have retired or near retirement -- you fall in the near retirement. MS. MORNIN: Yes, unfortunately, yes. (Laughter.) THE PRESIDENT: Well, I don't know. I'm not going to tell your age, but you're one year younger than me, and I'm just getting started. (Laughter.) MS. MORNIN: Okay, okay. THE PRESIDENT: I feel great, don't you? MS. MORNIN: Yes, I do. THE PRESIDENT: I remember when I turned 50, I used to think 50 was really old. Now I think it's young, and getting ready to turn 60 here in a couple of years, and I still feel young. I mean, we are living longer, and people are working longer, and the truth of the matter is, elderly baby boomers have got a lot to offer to our society, and we shouldn't think about giving up our responsibilities in society. (Applause.) Isn't that right? MS. MORNIN: That's right. THE PRESIDENT: Yes, but nevertheless, there's a certain comfort to know that the promises made will be kept by the government. MS. MORNIN: Yes. THE PRESIDENT: And so thank you for asking that. You don't have to worry. MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute. THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs? MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes. THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.) MS. MORNIN: Not much. Not much. THE PRESIDENT: Well, hopefully, this will help you get you sleep to know that when we talk about Social Security, nothing changes. MS. MORNIN: Okay, thank you. THE PRESIDENT: That's great http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20050204-3.html "That is fantastic that you're doing that." I'm sure that's just what she was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsixfive 328 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I think its fantastic that she's working 3 jobs to support her family, when she could sit at home, watch tv, and do drugs all day on the taxpayer's dime. Its uniquely American because she's working hard so her children can have a better life. Its fantastic that she wants better for her kids, unlike so many people in the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,017 Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 I think its fantastic that she's working 3 jobs to support her family, when she could sit at home, watch tv, and do drugs all day on the taxpayer's dime. Its uniquely American because she's working hard so her children can have a better life. Its fantastic that she wants better for her kids, unlike so many people in the same situation. 145277[/snapback] Are those the only two choices? Work so much you never see your kids or do drugs all day? I respect the fact that she does what she needs to do to pay her bills. She doesn't have the luxury of approaching her budget like Dubya does the U.S. budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn85 432 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 How about use of a condemn. If you want to have 5 kids, at least make sure you can feed them. I know in some instances that a parent may die unexpectantly, but don't think that it's the government's responsiblility to take care of your responsibilities. And it's not like she can go to her bosses and say I want a big raise. She will more than likely be turned down since the economy is a catastrophe. Yet local governments can raise sales tax when they need more money.(Montgomery sales tax was 8% a couple of years ago, now it's 10%) Bush can do the same thing. He can raise payroll taxes, ect. But he hasn't done that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsixfive 328 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Are those the only two choices? Work so much you never see your kids or do drugs all day? No, those aren't the only two choices. The third would be the lottery.... Kidding aside, there are more than two choices, but it boils down to either doing what it takes to take to live, or not (which leads to sponging of Uncle Sam). I respect the fact that she does what she needs to do to pay her bills. This is Bush's point as well, but in your previous post you seemed to knock his acknowledgement of her hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsixfive 328 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 How about use of a condemn. If you want to have 5 kids, at least make sure you can feed them. I'm in agreement with you here, sort of. There's not a good alternative that I can think of that is just. Its not fair to society to have to pay for numerous children due to other people's irresponsibility, but it is also a disservice to the child to neglect its financial needs. Perhaps a free vasectomy/hysterectomy to those who insist on not using BC. It would be cheaper to fund that program than to support a child for 18 years. I know in some instances that a parent may die unexpectantly, but don't think that it's the government's responsiblility to take care of your responsibilities. Many times, life insurance will cover the needs of the children, but in the instance it is not, I have no problem with governmental support of the children. And it's not like she can go to her bosses and say I want a big raise. She will more than likely be turned down since the economy is a catastrophe. I think a better reason she will be turned down is parallel to the cause of the very very very low success rate among those who have gone up to their bosses and asked for a big rase, throughout history. Bosses don't just give out money like it grows on trees, it comes from somewhere. If everyone got a raise when they desperately needed one, then we'd all be ok. Salaries are determined on your position at a company, what you do in that position, your productivity, and potential. Susie Q could have all the potential in the world and be awesome at what she does, but she's still only going to make $6/hr bagging groceries. Yet local governments can raise sales tax when they need more money.(Montgomery sales tax was 8% a couple of years ago, now it's 10%)Bush can do the same thing. He can raise payroll taxes, ect. But he hasn't done that 145284[/snapback] Yes, that would be the quick and apparently easy solution, but I'm sure there is a good bit of money to be saved within the government by cutting costs. I motion for a reduction in pay for all congressmen. Talk about grossly overpaid for what you do and the amount of time you work....all on the taxpayer's dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn85 432 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 How about use of a condemn. If you want to have 5 kids, at least make sure you can feed them. I'm in agreement with you here, sort of. There's not a good alternative that I can think of that is just. Its not fair to society to have to pay for numerous children due to other people's irresponsibility, but it is also a disservice to the child to neglect its financial needs. Perhaps a free vasectomy/hysterectomy to those who insist on not using BC. It would be cheaper to fund that program than to support a child for 18 years. I know in some instances that a parent may die unexpectantly, but don't think that it's the government's responsiblility to take care of your responsibilities. Many times, life insurance will cover the needs of the children, but in the instance it is not, I have no problem with governmental support of the children. And it's not like she can go to her bosses and say I want a big raise. She will more than likely be turned down since the economy is a catastrophe. I think a better reason she will be turned down is parallel to the cause of the very very very low success rate among those who have gone up to their bosses and asked for a big rase, throughout history. Bosses don't just give out money like it grows on trees, it comes from somewhere. If everyone got a raise when they desperately needed one, then we'd all be ok. Salaries are determined on your position at a company, what you do in that position, your productivity, and potential. Susie Q could have all the potential in the world and be awesome at what she does, but she's still only going to make $6/hr bagging groceries. Yet local governments can raise sales tax when they need more money.(Montgomery sales tax was 8% a couple of years ago, now it's 10%)Bush can do the same thing. He can raise payroll taxes, ect. But he hasn't done that 145284[/snapback] Yes, that would be the quick and apparently easy solution, but I'm sure there is a good bit of money to be saved within the government by cutting costs. I motion for a reduction in pay for all congressmen. Talk about grossly overpaid for what you do and the amount of time you work....all on the taxpayer's dime. 145304[/snapback] I'm with you, I'm against new taxes. And it does sicken me that Congress voted themselves a raise a couple of years ago. They should take a pay cut. Yes, it wouldn't solve the financial crisis, but it would certainly send a positive message. I hate I have to keep repeating myself that if for example 100 people take a $5000 pay cut, then the world would have no budget shortfall. But everytime IO don't mention this, I have my intelligence underminded by people assuming tah if 500 people take a paysut then a state budget would be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,017 Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 Are those the only two choices? Work so much you never see your kids or do drugs all day? No, those aren't the only two choices. The third would be the lottery.... Kidding aside, there are more than two choices, but it boils down to either doing what it takes to take to live, or not (which leads to sponging of Uncle Sam). I respect the fact that she does what she needs to do to pay her bills. This is Bush's point as well, but in your previous post you seemed to knock his acknowledgement of her hard work. 145301[/snapback] There's a difference in recognizing the difficulty of her situation and expressing respect for her and saying it's fantastic that she has to leave her kids to work three jobs just to make ends meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURainman 6 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Are those the only two choices? Work so much you never see your kids or do drugs all day? No, those aren't the only two choices. The third would be the lottery.... Kidding aside, there are more than two choices, but it boils down to either doing what it takes to take to live, or not (which leads to sponging of Uncle Sam). I respect the fact that she does what she needs to do to pay her bills. This is Bush's point as well, but in your previous post you seemed to knock his acknowledgement of her hard work. 145301[/snapback] There's a difference in recognizing the difficulty of her situation and expressing respect for her and saying it's fantastic that she has to leave her kids to work three jobs just to make ends meet. 145344[/snapback] symantics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsixfive 328 Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 There's a difference in recognizing the difficulty of her situation and expressing respect for her and saying it's fantastic that she has to leave her kids to work three jobs just to make ends meet. 145344[/snapback] With spin moves like that, you should try out for DL next year! It said her 3 kids are grown, I doubt she literally leaves them every morning. I really don't see how you're pulling your conclusion from that article... MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute. THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,017 Posted February 9, 2005 Author Share Posted February 9, 2005 There's a difference in recognizing the difficulty of her situation and expressing respect for her and saying it's fantastic that she has to leave her kids to work three jobs just to make ends meet. 145344[/snapback] With spin moves like that, you should try out for DL next year! It said her 3 kids are grown, I doubt she literally leaves them every morning. I really don't see how you're pulling your conclusion from that article... MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute. THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. 145364[/snapback] You're right, I missed the "grown" kids part. At least one still seems to need her attention, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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