AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 3/7/2017 at 6:01 PM, AURaptor said: One small problem... Obama did it. Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATTHEW ROSENBERG, ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO JANUARY 19, 2017 " The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House. " https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html I'm really tired of you threatening people to prove things they have already proven. If you want to ban me to save you from being embarrassed on this forum, go right the hell ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 You're welcome to keep explaining the obvious, beating Raptor over the head with your cyber stick, but it's not going to click. He's got his narrative and he's sticking to it, critical thinking be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, AURaptor said: I'm really tired of you threatening people to prove things they have already proven. If you want to ban me to save you from being embarrassed on this forum, go right the hell ahead. I'm threatening you because you don't prove things and I'm sick of your turning everything thread into the chaos circus that has set up permanent residence in your head. You make exaggerated or outright false claims about your "proof." I figured this was probably the quote you were going to reference, but I wasn't going to do your work for you. So let's take a closer look: "The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House." As is typical of your arguments, the supporting evidence you provide (when you provide any) almost never says what you claim it does. It simply says that the White House was provided intel reports based on some of the wiretapped communications. It does not say that Obama knew of any wiretap on Trump or that Trump was the one being wiretapped. There is still zero proof that Trump was ever wiretapped. The article does say that several Russian contacts were under surveillance though: "The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said." So, you (and Trump) still have not put forth any proof. Try again. And the next time you embarrass me about anything whatsoever will be the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Whether you don't agree with my point of view or you dislike the facts I post, you seem to think that is perfectly fine to threaten people with some sort of punishment simple because you're tired of dealing with it. Sorry snowflake, real life isn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, AURaptor said: Whether you don't agree with my point of view or you dislike the facts I post, you seem to think that is perfectly fine to threaten people with some sort of punishment simple because you're tired of dealing with it. It's not about your point of view. I welcome your point of view here. It's about you making claims that you don't back up, even when repeatedly asked to do so. It's about you derailing threads with this nonsense. It's about you repeatedly mischaracterizing other's positions to suit your arguments. At some point, I'm over having to hold your hand and get you to discuss things like a grown man and stop obfuscating and being intellectually dishonest. I'm one of the moderators of this forum. It is perfectly fine for me to expect some basic standards of discussion and to send people who adamantly refuse to live up to them packing. Quote Sorry snowflake, real life isn't like that. You're absolutely right. Real life ≠ the rich fantasy life that exists between your ears. And don't think I didn't notice that you chose, again, to talk about something other than the subject at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,385 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I say ban him. We don't need his weaseling BS. He's simply not open to other perspectives. All he wants to do is push his propaganda. That's why he cannot accept documented facts if they show he is in error. He won't accept even the possibility he's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Raptor needs something to humble him, but I think a temporary ban would have the opposite effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bigbens42 said: Raptor needs something to humble him, but I think a temporary ban would have the opposite effect. A ban isn't temporary. A suspension would be. I'm not proposing a suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, TitanTiger said: A ban isn't temporary. A suspension would be. I'm not proposing a suspension. When I realized that a dissenting opinion made any attempt at discussion with him to be absolutely futile, I stopped reading or responding to anything he had to say. I consider him a troll, and treat him as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, Strychnine said: When I realized that a dissenting opinion made any attempt at discussion with him to be absolutely futile, I stopped reading or responding to anything he had to say. I consider him a troll, and treat him as such. So I should just blindly agree with everything you saying? And then everything will be just fine, correct? Gee, I want so much to be exactly like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, AURaptor said: So I should just blindly agree with everything you saying? And then everything will be just fine, correct? Gee, I want so much to be exactly like you. That's not what he said and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, TitanTiger said: That's not what he said and you know it. Yet it illustrates my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: That's not what he said and you know it. Does he? I'm beginning to wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 hours ago, TitanTiger said: That's not what he said and you know it. Don't tell me what I do and don't know. That's how I read his post. If he wants to reply, and clarify / explain where I got something wrong, by all means... but don't tell me what I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,153 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, AURaptor said: Don't tell me what I do and don't know. That's how I read his post. If he wants to reply, and clarify / explain where I got something wrong, by all means... but don't tell me what I know. You should be the one asking for clarification there before you fly off the handle and start chucking insults, Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Bigbens42 said: You should be the one asking for clarification there before you fly off the handle and start chucking insults, Raptor. Umm...I just DID ask for clarification, genius. And btw... I'm not the one chucking insults, Ben. And also? I'm the most humble person you know. I rank # 1 in humility on this board, hands down ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, AURaptor said: Don't tell me what I do and don't know. That's how I read his post. If he wants to reply, and clarify / explain where I got something wrong, by all means... but don't tell me what I know. Sorry I gave you more credit than you deserved. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,385 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Bigbens42 said: Raptor needs something to humble him, but I think a temporary ban would have the opposite effect. Maybe when he figures out what Trumpcare will cost him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,385 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Strychnine said: When I realized that a dissenting opinion made any attempt at discussion with him to be absolutely futile, I stopped reading or responding to anything he had to say. I consider him a troll, and treat him as such. You are a wiser man than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,385 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Bigbens42 said: Does he? I'm beginning to wonder. Well it's not that difficult to believe he is truly deranged. No sane person could be that consistent - not to mention prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, homersapien said: Well it's not that difficult to believe he is truly deranged. No sane person could be that consistent - not to mention prolific. And no one who isn't EVIL would dare even question the existence of white privilege... right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, TitanTiger said: Sorry I gave you more credit than you deserved. Carry on. There is a reason I did not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,202 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,498 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 3/10/2017 at 7:44 AM, AURaptor said: The NYT report of Obama knowing of the wiretap on Trump and then being briefed on the info is inescapably enough for me to honestly and soundly make the claim that this premise of Trump making a FALSE claim is in any way " impeachable " is itself debunked. The White House disagrees with you. Quote Spicer: Trump didn't mean wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretappingSpicer walks back Trump's wiretapping claims Namely, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump wasn't referring to wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretapping. "I think there's no question that the Obama administration, that there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election," Spicer said. "The President used the word wiretaps in quotes to mean, broadly, surveillance and other activities." Wiretapping is a narrowly defined surveillance activity that involves tapping into "a telephone or telegram wire in order to get information," according to Merriam-Webster dictionary. Spicer also said that Trump was referring to the Obama administration broadly -- and not accusing Obama of personal involvement -- when he tweeted that "Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower" and accused Obama of being a "bad" or "sick guy." Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017 Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017 How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017] Spicer's comments came on the same say as the deadline for the Justice Department to provide evidence to the House Intelligence Committee to back up Trump's claim. The White House has so far refused to provide any evidence, and numerous former officials have denied the existence of any warrant to wiretap Trump Tower. A week earlier, Spicer said Trump's tweet "speaks for itself" and declined to provide any further explanation. But Monday, Spicer was open to providing an interpretation for Trump's tweet, saying the President told Spicer he was referring to means of surveillance beyond wiretapping in his tweets accusing Obama of doing just that. But in each of the four tweets Trump fired off leveling the accusation, Trump referred specifically to phone tapping -- and only used quotation marks in two of those. "Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory," Trump said in his first tweet. "Is it legal for a sitting President to be 'wire tapping' a race for president?" he asked in the next. Then, Trump tweeted that Obama "was tapping my phones in October" and had stooped low "to tapp (sic) my phones during the very sacred election process." http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html Translation: "My boss is a crazy person that says ridiculous stuff that I have to come out and defend. There is no proof of any of this, which is why I'm walking back his comments." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 things... did the NYT mean ' wire tapping ' when it wrote about ' wire tapping ' ?? And this goes back to my point ( Peter Theil's words, not mine ) , that Trump opponents take him literally, not seriously, while Trump supporters take him seriously, not literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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