When progressives side with criminals

[AUFAN78 4,207]

Democratic politicians are ignoring the daily murders and robberies and carjacking's of their poorest constituents. 

We are once again living through a spike in violent crime. The US murder rate rose 30 percent between 2019 and 2020, the biggest single-year increase in a hundred years. Aggravated assault rose too, by 12 percent. And 12 major cities broke annual homicide records in 2021, five of them surpassing 2020’s highs.

We must reject those who refuse to protect poor neighborhoods from career criminals preying on the most vulnerable. We must fight for the children of those who don’t have the luxury of living in gated communities with private police forces.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/progressives-side-criminals-victims/

Edited January 21, 2022 by AUFAN78

[AU9377 6,567]

I don't know who these people are that refuse to protect poor neighborhoods.  We have more people in prison in the U.S. than any other country on the planet.  We also have more guns than any other country and we make them easy to get.  The crimes aren't being committed with shot guns and hunting rifles. 

There is no one thing that will fix the problem, but several different things have to be done if we want real solutions.

[SLAG-91 1,760]

7 hours ago, AU9377 said:

I don't know who these people are that refuse to protect poor neighborhoods.  We have more people in prison in the U.S. than any other country on the planet.  We also have more guns than any other country and we make them easy to get.  The crimes aren't being committed with shot guns and hunting rifles. 

There is no one thing that will fix the problem, but several different things have to be done if we want real solutions.

Tangentially, a fair number of them wear robes.

Remember the Wisconsin parade slaughter a month or two ago? That model citizen was out on lowball bail. (If you were to read the news, it was an "accident", and the SUV apparently did it...but I digress.)

People that have been charged with violent crimes are being let back into society as a result of low or no bail, and guess what? Lots of them skip town, DAs and judges either don't know how (or, more likely, just can't be bothered) to go about implementing the bond forfeiture process for those that no-show, and you've got people who don't really value the lives and/or property of others out in the general public.

Shockingly, many are not being model citizens upon release ("I won't do it again, judge. Promise!") 🙄.

This has been a big problem in the Houston area recently, and I'll stop there.

[I_M4_AU 9,580]

11 hours ago, AU9377 said:

We have more people in prison in the U.S. than any other country on the planet.

It appears we don’t have enough people in prison.  This young man was trying to do something for his community and gave his life for it.

McGrier had been working with Safe Streets for a little over a month, going to welding school by day and joining the anti-violence program at night, said Living Classrooms Foundation spokeswoman Meg Ward, who called him hardworking and a devoted, present father.

DaShawn McGrier, a Safe Streets worker, was killed Wednesday night in a quadruple shooting. (DaShawn McGrier)

Living Classrooms is a nonprofit that operates Safe Streets sites in the McElderry Park and Belair-Edison neighborhoods. He was working at the time he was shot, Ward said.

“He was passionate about reducing violence in the community and wanted to be a positive part of that,” Ward said. “He was from the community. He wanted the best for his community.”

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-dashawn-mcgrier-safe-streets-20220120-heuyoyphxrdynm256re35zkuai-story.html

There really is not excuse for that criminal to be on the streets and no reason a concerned citizen should pay the price.  IMO, defund the police has been a disaster.  That movement has put hardworking, concerned citizens in harms.

The article goes on to say:

McGrier is the third Safe Streets worker to be killed in a little over a year. Kenyell Wilson was killed in Cherry Hill in July and Dante Barksdale was shot to death outside Douglass Homes last January.

[AUFAN78 4,207]

12 hours ago, AU9377 said:

I don't know who these people are that refuse to protect poor neighborhoods.  We have more people in prison in the U.S. than any other country on the planet.  We also have more guns than any other country and we make them easy to get.  The crimes aren't being committed with shot guns and hunting rifles. 

There is no one thing that will fix the problem, but several different things have to be done if we want real solutions.

So you either didn't read or didn't comprehend the article. A trend?

[AU9377 6,567]

9 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

It appears we don’t have enough people in prison.  This young man was trying to do something for his community and gave his life for it.

McGrier had been working with Safe Streets for a little over a month, going to welding school by day and joining the anti-violence program at night, said Living Classrooms Foundation spokeswoman Meg Ward, who called him hardworking and a devoted, present father.

DaShawn McGrier, a Safe Streets worker, was killed Wednesday night in a quadruple shooting. (DaShawn McGrier)

Living Classrooms is a nonprofit that operates Safe Streets sites in the McElderry Park and Belair-Edison neighborhoods. He was working at the time he was shot, Ward said.

“He was passionate about reducing violence in the community and wanted to be a positive part of that,” Ward said. “He was from the community. He wanted the best for his community.”

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-dashawn-mcgrier-safe-streets-20220120-heuyoyphxrdynm256re35zkuai-story.html

There really is not excuse for that criminal to be on the streets and no reason a concerned citizen should pay the price.  IMO, defund the police has been a disaster.  That movement has put hardworking, concerned citizens in harms.

The article goes on to say:

McGrier is the third Safe Streets worker to be killed in a little over a year. Kenyell Wilson was killed in Cherry Hill in July and Dante Barksdale was shot to death outside Douglass Homes last January.

NOBODY is saying that is anything other than horrible.  The goal, I assume, is to prevent this sort of thing from happening.  That should be the goal.  Will placing a 17 year old convicted of stealing an automobile or getting into a fight outside a bar in prison for 10, 15, or 20 years accomplish that?  The answer is no. 

Will a system that looks at defendants and decides that people that are poor should be sentenced to longer prison terms than those with family support or an education make the system work or fail.  The answer is that it would destroy any system of justice.

What is your solution, other than claiming that people on the other side of the political aisle are communists that want more murders and more chaos?

[AU9377 6,567]

12 hours ago, SLAG-91 said:

Tangentially, a fair number of them wear robes.

Remember the Wisconsin parade slaughter a month or two ago? That model citizen was out on lowball bail. (If you were to read the news, it was an "accident", and the SUV apparently did it...but I digress.)

People that have been charged with violent crimes are being let back into society as a result of low or no bail, and guess what? Lots of them skip town, DAs and judges either don't know how (or, more likely, just can't be bothered) to go about implementing the bond forfeiture process for those that no-show, and you've got people who don't really value the lives and/or property of others out in the general public.

Shockingly, many are not being model citizens upon release ("I won't do it again, judge. Promise!") 🙄.

This has been a big problem in the Houston area recently, and I'll stop there.

92% of people released on bail appear for their hearing/trial dates. 8% do not.  Four (4%) of that 8% are re-arrested for another crime.  Does that sound like a free for all?  It isn't.  Those numbers are not exact in every jurisdiction, but they are reflective of most of the country.  In my opinion, we have to do a better job drawing a line between violent and nonviolent crimes.  We have to stop assigning felony convictions for nonviolent crimes, other than extremely serious felony crimes.  We cannot label someone as a felon and then upon release make their attempt to live a better life as difficult as we currently do. That only produces more violent criminals in the long run.

The one area that is problematic is when a person in the U.S. illegally is allowed to post bond.  They are usually allowed to post a bond if they have been employed and have ties to the community in which they were arrested.  They can't be immediately deported due to the pending charge, yet most local jurisdictions don't want to pay to house them for 6 months to a year or more unless they have committed a violent offense.

https://www.wired.com/story/bail-reform-tech-justice/

[SLAG-91 1,760]

I specifically referenced oxygen thieves that commit violent crimes.

The system, wherever it is, is only as effective as the people entrusted with it. Where I'm at, we've got a problem. Other places apparently have judges and DAs that are more effective. Good for them.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/01/21/city-councilman-files-grievance-for-156-victims-killed-by-violent-offenders-out-on-free-or-low-bond/

You kill someone, bail shouldn't even be part of the discussion.

[alexava 6,987]

We have too many people who can’t quit defending the lowest rungs of society. Damn the victim. Or the next victim. 

[AU9377 6,567]

19 hours ago, alexava said:

We have too many people who can’t quit defending the lowest rungs of society. Damn the victim. Or the next victim. 

Providing adequate representation, even for defendants who appear guilty, is the best way to protect those who are not.  In fact, it is the only way.

[alexava 6,987]

21 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Providing adequate representation, even for defendants who appear guilty, is the best way to protect those who are not.  In fact, it is the only way.

Adequate representation should not equal letting bad people go free. 

[AU9377 6,567]

On 1/28/2022 at 12:38 PM, alexava said:

Adequate representation should not equal letting bad people go free. 

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.  The problem is that every set of circumstances is different.  Add to that the presumption of innocence that is at the core of our justice system and there are bound to be situations that develop where someone commits a crime while out on bond, parole or probation.  The situations we read about are usually the outliers.  We don't hear about all the times that someone was out on bond and later showed up for trial.

[homersapien 12,658]

On 1/28/2022 at 12:38 PM, alexava said:

Adequate representation should not equal letting bad people go free. 

So, how do we know their "bad" without adequate representation?

[homersapien 12,658]

Just now, homersapien said:

So, how do we know they're "bad" without adequate representation?

Just assume it because they were arrested?

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by homersapien

[homersapien 12,658]

Speaking of "Siding with Criminals":

Trump Defends Capitol Rioters Being 'Persecuted So Unfairly' Ahead of Sept. 18th Rally

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-defends-capitol-rioters-being-persecuted-so-unfairly-ahead-sept-18th-rally-1629953

Edited February 1, 2022 by homersapien

[alexava 6,987]

6 minutes ago, homersapien said:

 

Over 10 arrests should do it?