Trump is not invited to McCain's funeral

[DKW 86 7,426]

26 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

He filed Chapter 11 six times for his companies, five of which were due to a struggling gaming industry. He acted as any reasonable investor would have, and in doing so kept his head above water while others in the industry did not.  Would you say the same about Warren Buffet or Bill Gates if they put their names on everything? They’ve made huge mistakes in their careers. You likely don’t understand risks. ? The man has had immense success if numbers mean anything to you. 

Dont ask me about his steaks, I cannot defend that. @AUDub reminded me that he likes them well done!!!

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You dont understand failure. He has had success at manipulating a system where he has never, not once, had to pay for his stupid decisions/mistakes. He just rolls off and lets the America Taxpayer pay for the stupidity. People like Jack Welch, Henry Ford, Buffett, etc have done business for a century and a half and dont have one bankruptcy between them.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Yea, run up bills you cant pay by making idiotic decisions you cant support. If that is the criteria, he excels!!!!!!!

To say that Chapter 11 is a product of idiotic decisions is ignorant. Reorganization (Ch. 11) deals with the rehabilitation of financially troubled debtors, i.e., corporations, partnerships, individuals, or any other entity eligible to file for relief under the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code. It is essentially a determination of those measures necessary to make a troubled debtor economically sound, as well as readjustments of creditors' rights in order to make the rehabilitation fair to all parties. It's a legal scheme developed by Congress for debtors. Secured parties are fully aware of the Bankruptcy context when they enter into a security agreement with a debtor. Are you just shooting from the hip or do you have a valid criticism? 

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11 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Yea, run up bills you cant pay by making idiotic decisions you cant support. If that is the criteria, he excels!!!!!!!

I had a conservative tell me today Stormy Daniels was just a 130k trick just trying to make more money. Uhh yes. She probably read trumps book. He never lets an opportunity to capitalize go. It’s just business. Goose/ gander....

[DKW 86 7,426]

3 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said:

To say that Chapter 11 is a product of idiotic decisions is ignorant. Reorganization (Ch. 11) deals with the rehabilitation of financially troubled debtors, i.e., corporations, partnerships, individuals, or any other entity eligible to file for relief under the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code. It is essentially a determination of those measures necessary to make a troubled debtor economically sound, as well as readjustments of creditors' rights in order to make the rehabilitation fair to all parties. It's a legal scheme developed by Congress for debtors. Secured parties are fully aware of the Bankruptcy context when they enter into a security agreement with a debtor. Are you just shooting from the hip or do you have a valid criticism? 

OMG...and the reason that debtor is unsound? Unsound business decisions.

[DKW 86 7,426]

3 minutes ago, alexava said:

I had a conservative tell me today Stormy Daniels was just a 130k trick just trying to make more money. Uhh yes. She probably read trumps book. He never lets an opportunity to capitalize go. It’s just business. Goose/ gander....

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I totally agree on this. If she can become a $15M piece of ass, good for her. She is at least an honest prostitute.

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

3 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

You dont understand failure. He has had success at manipulating a system where he has never, not once, had to pay for his stupid decisions/mistakes. He just rolls off and lets the America Taxpayer pay for the stupidity. People like Jack Welch, Henry Ford, Buffett, etc have done business for a century and a half and dont have one bankruptcy between them.

You don't understand bankruptcy. Warren Buffet sold his stake in an energy holdings corporation recently at an enormous loss. Nearly $900M in pre-tax loss. The company eventually had to file for bankruptcy. Does that mean he's just another idiot?

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Some of the bailouts trump took didn’t go down as bankruptcies. He presold condos on golf resorts then didn’t build the resort. Not returning the money. Hurt people in the name of business. 

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

8 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

OMG...and the reason that debtor is unsound? Unsound business decisions.

Name an investor that hasn’t made an “unsound business decision.” What you’re saying isn’t moving the needle any.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

1 hour ago, PUB78 said:

Don’t worry about it. He does the same to me. He must be banned from posting because I haven’t seen any comments from icanthearyou in awhile.

He's not banned.  He's chosen to limit his contributions to emojis.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

4 hours ago, AUDub said:

Steak well done. 

/thread

This.  Mouthbreather.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

2 hours ago, Proud Tiger said:

Just more evidence how the brain tumor has affected McCain. I guess most have forgotten the snide remark Obama made at a SOTU when after McCain meade some comment Obama stopped and said "get over it John. The election is over and you lost. But I respect his choice to have whomever he wants or don't want at his funeral. My opinion of him as a politician went way down in the last year or so but he will always be one of Navy heroes.

Yeah, must be the brain tumor.  Couldn't be that a soulless dolt who avoided serving his country dared to denigrate the sacrifices of a man who did, in a very callous and flippant fashion no less.

Honestly, you're pathetic.  If Obama had ever made a remark about McCain like that you'd have come out of your skin ripping him up one side and down the other.  And now you want to take snide shots at McCain's condition as a reason for not wanting the man at his funeral?  You've had a conniption over far less and held a grudge over it for far longer. Your lickspittle worship of such a tiny, tiny person is the most odious trait you have ever displayed.

[kevon67 2,368]

28 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

I totally agree on this. If she can become a $15M piece of ass, good for her. She is at least an honest prostitute.

Before her 5 mins of fame in the mainstream.........most including her most recent supporters considered her a coke whore that makes porno.

[kevon67 2,368]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

Yea, run up bills you cant pay by making idiotic decisions you cant support. If that is the criteria, he excels!!!!!!!

Wait or we still talking about President Trump or massive welfare lines in US.............can't keep up.

[homersapien 11,388]

".....Lost contracts, bankruptcies, defaults, deceptions and indifference to investors—Trump’s business career is a long, long list of such troubles, according to regulatory, corporate and court records, as well as sworn testimony and government investigative reports. Call it the art of the bad deal, one created by the arrogance and recklessness of a businessman whose main talent is self-promotion.

He is also pretty good at self-deception, and plain old deception. Trump is willing to claim success even when it is not there, according to his own statements. “I’m just telling you, you wouldn’t say that you're failing,” he said in a 2007 deposition when asked to explain why he would give an upbeat assessment of his business even if it was in trouble. “If somebody said, ‘How you doing?’ you're going to say you're doing good.” Perhaps such dissembling is fine in polite cocktail party conversation, but in the business world it’s called lying.

And while Trump is quick to boast that his purported billions prove his business acumen, his net worth is almost unknowable given the loose standards and numerous outright misrepresentations he has made over the years. In that 2007 deposition, Trump said he based estimates of his net worth at times on “psychology” and “my own feelings.” But those feelings are often wrong—in 2004, he presented unaudited financials to Deutsche Bank while seeking a loan, claiming he was worth $3.5 billion. The bank concluded Trump was, to say the least, puffing; it put his net worth at $788 million, records show. (Trump personally guaranteed $40 million of the loan to his company, so Deutsche coughed up the money. He later defaulted on that commitment.)

Trump’s many misrepresentations of his successes and his failures matter—a lot. As a man who has never held so much as a city council seat, there is little voters can examine to determine if he is competent to hold office. He has no voting record and presents few details about specific policies. Instead, he sells himself as qualified to run the country because he is a businessman who knows how to get things done, and his financial dealings are the only part of his background available to assess his competence to lead the country. And while Trump has had a few successes in business, most of his ventures have been disasters....."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html

[homersapien 11,388]

1 hour ago, NolaAuTiger said:

To say that Chapter 11 is a product of idiotic decisions is ignorant. Reorganization (Ch. 11) deals with the rehabilitation of financially troubled debtors, i.e., corporations, partnerships, individuals, or any other entity eligible to file for relief under the provisions of the Bankruptcy Code. It is essentially a determination of those measures necessary to make a troubled debtor economically sound, as well as readjustments of creditors' rights in order to make the rehabilitation fair to all parties. It's a legal scheme developed by Congress for debtors. Secured parties are fully aware of the Bankruptcy context when they enter into a security agreement with a debtor. Are you just shooting from the hip or do you have a valid criticism? 

The circumstances and cause of a bankruptcy matters.  A lot.

No one is arguing the purpose or legality of bankruptcy. 

The issue on the table is how Trump has abused it. 

[Auburnfan91 1,407]

2 hours ago, kevon67 said:

Never thought much of McCain as a politician......

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As much as I respect McCain's service and as a person, I've never liked McCain as a politician. He's always conveniently used rhetoric to get him re-elected but then when it came time to actually follow through on his rhetoric, he softened or outright changed his stance on an issue. His flip flopping on the issue of immigration is a perfect example of McCain being with the GOP in order to keep his seat but when it comes time for him to vote in Congress, he goes against the GOP.  

Trump definitely went too far in attacking McCain's service record and that was one of the few times where an apology should have been made. It's a given that you're not going agree with someone's views on any given issue but going after a man for his service is uncalled for and totally crossing the line even for Trump. 

I don't blame McCain for not wanting Trump at his funeral. 

[DKW 86 7,426]

2 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said:

You don't understand bankruptcy. Warren Buffet sold his stake in an energy holdings corporation recently at an enormous loss. Nearly $900M in pre-tax loss. The company eventually had to file for bankruptcy. Does that mean he's just another idiot?

He had holdings in a company. He was not running it and got out before the failure. He did what most of us do.

[DKW 86 7,426]

1 hour ago, TitanTiger said:

Yeah, must be the brain tumor.  Couldn't be that a soulless dolt who avoided serving his country dared to denigrate the sacrifices of a man who did, in a very callous and flippant fashion no less.

Honestly, you're pathetic.  If Obama had ever made a remark about McCain like that you'd have come out of your skin ripping him up one side and down the other.  And now you want to take snide shots at McCain's condition as a reason for not wanting the man at his funeral?  You've had a conniption over far less and held a grudge over it for far longer. Your lickspittle worship of such a tiny, tiny person is the most odious trait you have ever displayed.

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[kevon67 2,368]

19 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

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As much as I respect McCain's service and as a person, I've never liked McCain as a politician. He's always conveniently used rhetoric to get him re-elected but then when it came time to actually follow through on his rhetoric, he softened or outright changed his stance on an issue. His flip flopping on the issue of immigration is a perfect example of McCain being with the GOP in order to keep his seat but when it comes time for him to vote in Congress, he goes against the GOP.  

Trump definitely went too far in attacking McCain's service record and that was one of the few times where an apology should have been made. It's a given that you're not going agree with someone's views on any given issue but going after a man for his service is uncalled for and totally crossing the line even for Trump. 

I don't blame McCain for not wanting Trump at his funeral. 

There are many Vietnam Veterans that do not believe McCain is a hero..........I agree with you, President Trump did take it too far.

[kevon67 2,368]

9 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

This is the reason I really hated Trump for 30 Years, He has acted like a petulant lil child for all his life. This is his schtick, his MO. He did this when he was a Democrat and now as a Republican. Trump has never acted like an Adult in his life. He has acted like a spoiled rotten little kid whether as a Democrat or a Republican. Dont criticize this bastard because he is now rooting for the other team. He is still the same schmuck he has always been even when he was writing checks to the DNC.

I reserve the use of the word hate for the predators that sexually assault and murder our innocent children.

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3 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

I reserve the use of the word hate for the predators that sexually assault and murder our innocent children.

What an incredibly self-righteous post.  

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

The circumstances and cause of a bankruptcy matters.  A lot.

No one is arguing the purpose or legality of bankruptcy. 

The issue on the table is how Trump has abused it. 

Yes circumstances do matter, like a struggling gaming industry....

In what way did he “abuse” it that makes him different from other debtors? 

[kevon67 2,368]

1 minute ago, homersapien said:

What an incredibly self-righteous post.  

Its okay you dont have to agree

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

23 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

He had holdings in a company. He was not running it and got out before the failure. He did what most of us do.

He purchased nearly $2B in bonds for his stake.....

He made a poor business decision. Why not condemn him too?

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

7 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

Its okay you dont have to agree

There’s no reasoning with some people. You either agree with them or you’re wrong. There’s no balance.