Did Trump do anything criminal?

[TexasTiger 12,964]

Curious what folks think. If the charges are true, should Trump be convicted? Jail time? Do you think his actions are no worse then Biden’s? Pence? Do you think the charges are valid and warranted?

[homersapien 11,393]

It will be an uphill battle as this interview with Iowa Republicans illustrate:

https://www.pbs.org/video/iowa-republicans-discuss-trump-s-federal-indictment-1686781482/

Most Republicans are clueless.  The rest are in denial. 

Here's hoping the majority of the country aren't.

[aubiefifty 16,823]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

It will be an uphill battle as this interview with Iowa Republicans illustrate:

https://www.pbs.org/video/iowa-republicans-discuss-trump-s-federal-indictment-1686781482/

Most Republicans are clueless.  The rest are in denial. 

Here's hoping the majority of the country aren't.

i am still mad about trump trying to steal the election. what would happen if trump had succeeded? it would have gotten worse. we would certainly be a dictatorship if trump could have gotten away with it. he should be in jail for that. the next person might be smarter than trump and pull it off. trump has crapped on everything great about america for the trump brand. if you cannot see it then you guys in denial need to get a better education of if you had one you need to pay attention and study and learn something.

[auburnatl1 4,980]

The problem is many of the prior scandals (Russia-gate, stormy payoff, ect) look frivolous or get-him-at-any-costs motivated. And some were/are. So it dilutes anything tangible. Plus Biden has his own messes. The optics just stink. 

Trump has manipulated a third of the country (not enough to win an election, so we’ll get dementia guy again) - millions of very good people for years.  They made him, they’ll have to decide when to lose him and trade up to a more genuine and  less head-case option. Until then, I’m skeptical of any conviction - reaction would make Jan 6th look like a team building meeting..

 

[AUFAN78 3,912]

20 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

The problem is many of the prior scandals (Russia-gate, stormy payoff, ect) look frivolous or get-him-at-any-costs motivated. And some were/are. So it dilutes anything tangible. Plus Biden has his own messes. The optics just stink. 

Very astute. 

 

20 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

Trump has manipulated a third of the country (not enough to win an election, so we’ll get dementia guy again) - millions of very good people for years.  They made him, they’ll have to decide when to lose him and trade up to a more genuine and  less head-case option. Until then, I’m skeptical of any conviction - reaction would make Jan 6th look like a team building meeting..

Speaking to J6, this happened this week. And around and around we go.

 

[auburnatl1 4,980]

2 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Very astute. 

 

Speaking to J6, this happened this week. And around and around we go.

 

People debate/fixate on a word - insurrection - instead of the real point. Dear lord.  It was absolute crazy-land, dark stuff, and actions unbecoming. That fact that MSNBC has constantly obsessed on getting him does not change what he unleashed and people saw with their own eyes. And J6 was just a symptom of the broader damage he causes.

The species has a dark side to it, and no one knows how to manipulate it to his own advantage like trump. 

Edited June 18, 2023 by auburnatl1

[AUFAN78 3,912]

43 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

People debate/fixate on a word - insurrection - instead of the real point. Dear lord.  It was absolute crazy-land, dark stuff, and actions unbecoming. That fact that MSNBC has constantly obsessed on getting him does not change what he unleashed and people saw with their own eyes. And J6 was just a symptom of the broader damage he causes.

The species has a dark side to it, and no one knows how to manipulate it to his own advantage like trump. 

And the people charged with violence will get what they deserve. The gullible idiots waved in like tourists will hopefully get what they deserve as well, but surely we can agree their punishment should be far less. 

[AU9377 4,979]

On 6/17/2023 at 1:00 PM, auburnatl1 said:

The problem is many of the prior scandals (Russia-gate, stormy payoff, ect) look frivolous or get-him-at-any-costs motivated. And some were/are. So it dilutes anything tangible. Plus Biden has his own messes. The optics just stink. 

Trump has manipulated a third of the country (not enough to win an election, so we’ll get dementia guy again) - millions of very good people for years.  They made him, they’ll have to decide when to lose him and trade up to a more genuine and  less head-case option. Until then, I’m skeptical of any conviction - reaction would make Jan 6th look like a team building meeting..

 

Part of the problem is also the fact that Republicans will not hold their own accountable for anything.  His actions before the current indictments should have disqualified him from ever holding the office of President again. 

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

On 6/17/2023 at 12:00 PM, auburnatl1 said:

The problem is many of the prior scandals (Russia-gate, stormy payoff, ect) look frivolous or get-him-at-any-costs motivated. And some were/are. So it dilutes anything tangible. Plus Biden has his own messes. The optics just stink. 

Very well put. The “we have this time”  business backfired big.

[auburnatl1 4,980]

2 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Part of the problem is also the fact that Republicans will not hold their own accountable for anything.  His actions before the current indictments should have disqualified him from ever holding the office of President again. 

Maga has kidnapped and weaponize the Republican Party (which is why I’m now yet another confused independent). Career politicians like Linsey graham publicly hated trump until he realized he’d never win re-election in S.C. until he kissed the ring (another reason we need term limits). Same with Cruz.  The party of Reagan is now whipped.

The bottom line is Trump has a 50 year background in New York commercial real estate. As kick back/ dark money as it gets. Good luck convicting him. Again Imo it’s the responsibility of his voters to  end this train wreck and dump him.
 

[TexasTiger 12,964]

On 6/18/2023 at 10:04 PM, auburnatl1 said:

Maga has kidnapped and weaponize the Republican Party (which is why I’m now yet another confused independent). Career politicians like Linsey graham publicly hated trump until he realized he’d never win re-election in S.C. until he kissed the ring (another reason we need term limits). Same with Cruz.  The party of Reagan is now whipped.

The bottom line is Trump has a 50 year background in New York commercial real estate. As kick back/ dark money as it gets. Good luck convicting him. Again Imo it’s the responsibility of his voters to  end this train wreck and dump him.
 

Voters have a responsibility, but are you saying the only accountability for politicians is the ballot box?

[auburnatl1 4,980]

2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Voters have a responsibility, but are you saying the only accountability for politicians is the ballot box?

After 2 impeachment attempts and multiple litigations (some silly - part of the problem), he’s still standing. Yes he’s dirty - but he’s well schooled on how to lawyer up, act victim, and deflect. Any republican that has challenged him he’s turned his base on(ie Liz Cheney) and they’re gone.  Creepy but as long as his base will support him no matter what he does - only a truly bullet-proof case and highly substantial crime will end this. Imo His base dumping him is cleaner and causes a lot less nutty riots.

Edited June 20, 2023 by auburnatl1

[TexasTiger 12,964]

1 minute ago, auburnatl1 said:

After 2 impeachment attempts and multiple litigations (some silly - part of the problem), he’s still standing. Sure he’s dirty - but he’s well schooled on how to lawyer up, act victim, and deflect. Any republican that has challenged him he’s turned his base on(ie Liz Cheney) and they’re gone.  Sure it’s creepy but as long as his base will support him no matter what he does - only a truly bullet-proof case and highly substantial crime will end this. Imo His base dumping him is cleaner and causes a lot less nutty riots.

We have substantial crimes in the federal indictment. He has a handpicked corrupt judge and will likely get at least on cultist on his jury, so he may avoid this. But he’s guilty as hell. He admitted his culpability over the weekend. But I agree, a critical mass of voters abandoning him is preferable. But they’d have to be critical thinkers, so it seems less likely.