saniflush 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Let's get the funny part out of the way first...... Miami is #3 and Alabama is not. (insert laugh here) Now the not so funny stuff... I agree with other tigers on here and most of the UAT fans I have read and talked too. Alamama's offense (or lack thereof) is pitiful! They will not survive without makeing it count when they have the ball. I hope for their sake that they are able to find the missing piece this week against LSU. That being said it is a travesty (once again) that an UNDEFEATED team has been jumped in the polls by a team that has a loss. Miami is a quality team but the bottom line is that they have had an opportunity to show their stuff on the field and did not do it at the beginning of the year (against and overated FSU team). They fact that they have jumped a team that has not won pretty but has not lost is another example of the flaws in this system. Before all the AU folks think I have turncoated or the UAT fans open their arms to welcome me onto their much overloaded bandwagon it really does not matter..... UAT will have ATLEAST 1 loss and maybe 2. Miami will not jump USC or Texas. And this whole discussion will be moot in less than a week. Bottom line, ESPN gets what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger in Spain 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Yep, was college footballs last hope of exposing the BcS as the socialist popularity contest it really is. After the spanking the turds are about to get from and , everything will be back to normal in BcS/ESPNland. The collective lips of the voters and the Gameday talking heads can remain firmly planted on USC and Texas's rear ends. Did anyone else get a chuckle when Herbstreit was challenging the Hokies during the gameday broadcast Saturday. Seems eerily familiar. He told the Hokies, "Tonight is your chance to be heard. Win tonight and you have a legitimate claim to the #2 spot." Hey Gameday crew, heard the exact same thing last season. You're #1 in my book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgufcm 4,107 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 i didn't hear herbie on saturday, but i can see that smug a-hole saying exactly that. what a load crap from an absolute liar. and if i were ranking teams, i'd have miami AND lsu over bama. the whole "a team should be higher just b/c they are unbeaten" is a load in my opinion. that's the same kind of thinking that gives you "well i had them at number two before the year and they never lost." rank teams on how good they are with a nod toward teams that have good records. i'll never buy a two loss team over an unbeaten, but one-loss? in the first week of the season? miami and lsu are both playing better ball than bama this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish99999 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I disagree violently........'cause its uat....... If AU were the victim of this travesty I'd be in meltdown...... Last year usc had some squeakers....that didn't get demoted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 I just dis-agree with teams with a loss being over teams that don't. IMO it won't matter in the long haul but to me it contiues to show how subjective the entire system is. I understand what you are saying and you can find ammunition to argue it either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerOne 1,152 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 but, but, but, uat was on CBS! that means we are #1 right! No it means anyone that cared could see how pathetic uat played in that game against Meanwhile #5 Miami manhandled #3 Virginia Tech in a showcase game. If and it is a big if, uat beats LSU in an impressive fashion they will jump Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Undefeated teams are ranked below one-loss teams all the time--just ask the BYU's, Utah's, and UCLA's of the world. Unfortunately, as long as there are biased humans or convoluted, ridiculously complicated computer programs ranking teams, there is no simple, convincing way to please everyone. Repeatng myself for the umpteenth time: We need a ranking system based on victories, opponent's victories, and opponent's opponent's victories, with tie-breakers of similar objectivity. That reduces everything to a simple, unambigous W-L, Strength-Of-Schedule system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saniflush 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 I guess my original intent of my post was just to show that there is way too much subjectivity in the polls. I know this is not earth shattering news because we have all seen it before. Like I said the ship rights itself this week or worst case scenario two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgr4lfe 220 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I just dis-agree with teams with a loss being over teams that don't. IMO it won't matter in the long haul but to me it contiues to show how subjective the entire system is. I understand what you are saying and you can find ammunition to argue it either direction. 195783[/snapback] This is the whole problem with the poll system. If we ask 10 of us on here about whether a 1 loss team should be ranked over an undefeated team, it wil probably be a split vote. IMO, it all matters to how teams are playing week to week and on the year. Preseason polls need to be halted, b/c why should there be a starting point for rankings. It is mostly based on past years perfomance and perceived loss of athletes to graduation, etc. Think some folks were eating crow over keeping OU ranked so high in preseason polls, when anyone with half a brain knew they had lost like 15 starters, with about 12 of those to NFL draft, most of which had been starters for multiple years!! I think Miami is a better football team than Bama. If you watched the Miami v. FSU game the FIRST week of the year, that was a horrible offensive game. Both teams have good Defenses, but both teams had inexperienced QBs starting and it showed. Miami would beat FSU rather handley now I think, kinda like us with Ga Tech. My top ten would go like this. 1 USC - although I think their D is not very good, and will get beat in the Rose Bowl by anyone with a really good D 2 Texas - very good defensive team, Young is good QB and would give USC fits if they can stay undefeated, which shouldn't be a prob with remaining schedule 3 Miami - great D and pretty good O, QB has really improved 4 Penn St - lone loss at Michigan, very good football team 5 Bama - just b/c they are 9-0, great D, no other reason 6 Va Tech - only loss was to the current #3 7 LSU - improving each week, great D, improving O with JR 8 UGA - only loss to ranked UF, solid on O and D 9 Oregon - have been playing good ball 10 Notre Dame - showed a lot in whipping UT, great O, mediocre D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 a bigger story will be when UA is ranked behind miami after having beaten LSU. that'd be an even bigger dissing than it is now for Bama and the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgufcm 4,107 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 the one thing i'll say about one-loss teams and subjective ranking is this: it matters when you lose. that used to be a principle in college football, and i think it should be today. i understand the argument that it should be a "body of work," but i still say a team that loses late should be dropped below a team that lost early. under that same idea, i look at how good a team is, not necessarily their record. that has to be taken within reason, but it's not unheard of for one-loss teams to be above unbeatens, two-loss teams over one-loss, and so on. bama has one win against a ranked team this season, UF. one. even if you give them props for the UT win b/c the vols were ranked at the time, their resume doesn't stack up to either of the other unbeatens (USC has wins over top ten ND and 11th ranked oregon and then ranked asu all on the road; Texas went to the shoe and beat 10th ranked osu and home wins against ranked colorado and texas tech). personally i don't think alabama's resume even measures up to miami's (who have wins on the road against top 10 vatech, and home wins over colorado and big east leading south florida) mainly because bama's two toughest games of the season come in the next two weeks. that will be bama's opportunity to change folks' minds. my top ten: 1. USC 2. Texas (and those two are neck and neck) 3. Miami 4. LSU 5. Alabama (like i said, they are so bad on offense that even vegas has lsu a favorite on the road) 6. Penn State (and climbing) 7. Notre Dame (that offense made a believer out of me by scoring 27 on UT) 8. UGA (with shockley in the lineup) 9. VaTech (best win now a home win against GaTech?) 10. Ohio State (found out what happens when you play your best players, ie. troy smith over justin zwick, and they found an offense in the process) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Well, I disagree. I don't think being undefeated automatically slots you at the top with the other undefeateds. I do a weekly poll submission over at Fanspoll.com and I ranked Miami #3 and Bama #4 as well. My rationale is that I believe that Miami is better than Alabama right now and one loss vs no losses at this point in the season is not a drastic difference. I think Miami's schedule has been tougher than Alabama's and frankly, dominating an undefeated Va. Tech team on the road is mucho impressive. Bama's best win is over Florida and I'm not impressed with Florida. Now, that said, my rankings are more fluid than some. I will move teams up and down based on performance so if Bama knocks off LSU, I'll most likely move them back ahead of Miami because I'll feel that 10-0 with a win over LSU is sufficent to put them there. But I feel Bama has managed to scrape by some bad teams lately, making it fortunate that their schedule is what it is. If they don't get out of this funk on offense, they will lose one or both of the next two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWK 0 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Well, this is what Dienhart from SportingNews.com had to say about it: 10. Doesn't Alabama remind you of your buddy's car in high school? You know, the beater Chevy Chevette with the tailpipe fastened with a hanger, the passenger door that doesn't open, the bald tires and coughing engine? It's a case of when -- not if -- it's going to break down. Oh La La hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,457 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 As much as I enjoy laughing at uat, NO team that has a perfect record should be "jumped" in the polls in favor of a one loss team. That having been said, I guess uat now understands what all of that "pride & tradishun" of the PAST is good for today.....absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 As much as I enjoy laughing at uat, NO team that has a perfect record should be "jumped" in the polls in favor of a one loss team. That having been said, I guess uat now understands what all of that "pride & tradishun" of the PAST is good for today.....absolutely nothing. 195827[/snapback] Guess I disagree with you on this one WT. I think team record is important but shouldn't be the only factor. I believe right now bama would be the underog in Vegas betting to any other team in this week's Tpo 10. That says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Let's compare schedules so far: Miami at (17) Florida State L 7-10 at Clemson W 36-30 (22) Colorado W 23-3 South Florida W 27-7 Duke W 52-7 -- at Temple W 34-3 North Carolina W 34-16 at (8) Virginia Tech W 27-7 Alabama Middle Tennessee W 26-7 Southern Miss W 30-21 at South Carolina W 37-14 Arkansas W 24-13 (12) Florida W 31-3 at Mississippi W 13-10 Tennessee W 6-3 Utah State W 35-3 at Mississippi State W 17-0 Now, there are a couple of things I'm looking at. First, Miami's schedule has included more good teams. They've played 3 teams still ranked in the top 25. They lost to one the first game of the year, by three points, on the road. They creamed the other two, including a previously undefeated VT on the road. That's impressive. They had a hangover against Clemson, but have crushed everyone they've played since. Bama is undefeated, but their only really good team played was Florida. They smashed them, but it was at Tuscaloosa. And I think we can all agree that Florida is not the most impressive 2 loss team out there right now. You, me and everyone know they'd be a three loss team if UGA had Shockley for that game. The other issue is Bama's struggles against no so good teams. Arky gave them a scare. Ole Miss had them on the ropes. Tennessee was a perfect hit and fumble out of the endzone from derailing them. They failed to score an offensive TD against the doormat of the conference. I just don't think given the evidence that it's unreasonable to rank Miami higher right now. Bama's remaining schedule is harsh with LSU and Auburn left. Miami's schedule has Ga Tech but also includes a weak Wake Forest and mediocre Virginia, so Bama has an opportunity to move back ahead. In fact, given the slim margin in the polls that have Miami ahead, a win over LSU probably vaults Bama back over them. But to automatically put Bama over Miami just based on record to me smacks of someone not doing their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,457 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 To quote Billy Joel....."You may be right, I may be crazy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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