AUloggerhead 2,255 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Believe it or not this guy could say & do anything ... and still get elected with 70% of the vote! His district is essentially the City of Seattle, proper: McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,447 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Real Dain Bramage from McDermott This guy is an embarassment to the US . That anyone this paranoid can stay an elected official is scary. He is the Democratic version of John Birch. Hello. I'm Jim McDermott, a Democrat, representing 7th Congressional District residents in the U. S. House of Representatives. I am a physician by training and I am especially troubled by our system's failure to provide adequate health care to everyone. In fact, the number of working families who are underinsured or uninsured continues to rise. We must move this nation to a universal health care system. I truly pity anyone this nut case ever had under his care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,519 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I heard about this on the way into work. I knew some nutty liberal was going to say this, I just wasn't sure who since the people of Georgia grew a brain and dumped Cynthia "A Screw Loose" McKinney. Congratulations Jim McDermott for winning Liberal Nutjob of the Year. It's a well-deserved title and I'm sure you'll live up to it splendidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,057 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 http://www.issues2000.org/House/Jim_McDermott.htm Jim McDermott is a Libertarian-Leaning Liberal. Click here for explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,447 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 http://www.issues2000.org/House/Jim_McDermott.htmJim McDermott is a Libertarian-Leaning Liberal. Click here for explanation. Ok I'll bite. What the heck is a libertarian leaning liberal. Look up "oxymoron." That statement is an oxymoron. Libertarians are traditionally the rightist of the right. Liberals, like McDermott are left of left. How can you be left of left and right of right? Maybe he is bending the circle around again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Al 0 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 http://www.issues2000.org/House/Jim_McDermott.htmJim McDermott is a Libertarian-Leaning Liberal. Click here for explanation. Ok I'll bite. What the heck is a libertarian leaning liberal. Look up "oxymoron." That statement is an oxymoron. Libertarians are traditionally the rightist of the right. Liberals, like McDermott are left of left. How can you be left of left and right of right? Maybe he is bending the circle around again. Not so fast my friend. They tend to be very fiscally conservative but on social issues are generally more liberal than Republicans, especially where it concerns drug laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,057 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Not so fast my friend. They tend to be very fiscally conservative but on social issues are generally more liberal than Republicans, especially where it concerns drug laws. Looking at his record I would say he is even left of Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Al 0 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Not so fast my friend. They tend to be very fiscally conservative but on social issues are generally more liberal than Republicans, especially where it concerns drug laws. Looking at his record I would say he is even left of Dean. What has Dean said or done that makes you think he's so far to the left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoic-one 1,549 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 uhhhh............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,057 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 What has Dean said or done that makes you think he's so far to the left? Supported civil unions for same-sex couples. (Nov 2002) Corporate America is insensitive to plight of middle class. (Sep 25) Invest in social programs to avoid investing in prisons. (Nov 2002) Supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs. (Sep 2001) Under no circumstances abandon the public schools. (Nov 2002) Help developing countries reduce greenhouse gases. (Jan 14) Free trade must include environmental standards. (Apr 15) Join every other industrialized country on health care. (Sep 4) Subsidize health care for small businesses, not corporations. (May 3) Redirect military spending rather than reduce defense budget. (Aug 11) Shift $1B per year from missile defense to threat reduction. (Jul 2) Anti-war, but has national security experience as governor. (May 3) If immigrants work & pay taxes, give them citizenship. (Nov 25) No automated entry-exit control system; allow free flow. (Jul 2000) Internet sales tax. (Aug 2001) Supports living wage via subsidies for kids & housing. (May 17) Trade should strengthen labor unions in foreign nations. (Mar 27) Iraq: Admit we humiliated our allies and get UN help. (Sep 4) Bring US troops home. (Sep 4) Strongly Favors Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws Strongly Opposes Teach moral standards In Public Schools Strongly Favors More Federal Funding for Health Coverage Strongly Opposes Parents Choose Schools via Vouchers Opposes Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws Strongly Opposes Make Income Tax Flatter & Lower Strongly Favors Immigration helps our economy-encourage it Favors Spend Resources to Stop Global Warming Howard Dean is a Hard-Core Liberal. Click here for explanation. http://www.issues2000.org/Howard_Dean.htm Now this supprised me, Carol Moseley-Braun is a Moderate Liberal. http://www.issues2000.org/Carol_Moseley-Braun.htm This supprised as well Al Sharpton is a Moderate Liberal. http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Sharpton.htm Just to be fair. George W. Bush is a Moderate Conservative http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Eagle 96 10 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Tiger Al...You are hereby on restriction for one day from the board because Tiger Mike made you look so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Even other democrats are bashing him. What really confuses me is that he thinks it is suspicious because everything has been going bad for the administration lately. Um, what has been going bad lately? The economy is getting better and jobless claims are declining. Can somebody tell me what he meant by this? Really tells me he is not living on planet Earth apparently. Somebody needs to bring him back to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,255 Posted December 17, 2003 Author Share Posted December 17, 2003 ... Really tells me he is not living on planet Earth apparently. Somebody needs to bring him back to reality. Too late to bring him back to Earth -- his mind is wandering in the ether. You ought to hear half of what he says up here. Only his most outrageous statements make national news. One time he was speaking to a local high school and was trying to demonize the Bush Administration (typ Dem tactic) by scaring them that their personal rights & liberties are being taken away through the Patriot Act. He actually said, "it's like the school administration coming down the halls and opening your locker without permission and finding drugs in there ... " I'm serious, he didn't even realize he had just insulted all of the students. The man is clueless. Oh, and I'm sure it's not surprising to know that this physician (psychiatrist) has touted the Canadian Health system as the model for the US to follow. Honestly, I truly think he experimented with too many drugs back in the '60s, Timothy Leary-style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Al 0 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 What has Dean said or done that makes you think he's so far to the left? Supported civil unions for same-sex couples. (Nov 2002) Corporate America is insensitive to plight of middle class. (Sep 25) Invest in social programs to avoid investing in prisons. (Nov 2002) Supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs. (Sep 2001) Under no circumstances abandon the public schools. (Nov 2002) Help developing countries reduce greenhouse gases. (Jan 14) Free trade must include environmental standards. (Apr 15) Join every other industrialized country on health care. (Sep 4) Subsidize health care for small businesses, not corporations. (May 3) Redirect military spending rather than reduce defense budget. (Aug 11) Shift $1B per year from missile defense to threat reduction. (Jul 2) Anti-war, but has national security experience as governor. (May 3) If immigrants work & pay taxes, give them citizenship. (Nov 25) No automated entry-exit control system; allow free flow. (Jul 2000) Internet sales tax. (Aug 2001) Supports living wage via subsidies for kids & housing. (May 17) Trade should strengthen labor unions in foreign nations. (Mar 27) Iraq: Admit we humiliated our allies and get UN help. (Sep 4) Bring US troops home. (Sep 4) Strongly Favors Sexual orientation protected by civil rights laws Strongly Opposes Teach moral standards In Public Schools Strongly Favors More Federal Funding for Health Coverage Strongly Opposes Parents Choose Schools via Vouchers Opposes Mandatory "Three Strikes" Sentencing Laws Strongly Opposes Make Income Tax Flatter & Lower Strongly Favors Immigration helps our economy-encourage it Favors Spend Resources to Stop Global Warming Howard Dean is a Hard-Core Liberal. Click here for explanation. http://www.issues2000.org/Howard_Dean.htm Now this supprised me, Carol Moseley-Braun is a Moderate Liberal. http://www.issues2000.org/Carol_Moseley-Braun.htm This supprised as well Al Sharpton is a Moderate Liberal. http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Sharpton.htm Just to be fair. George W. Bush is a Moderate Conservative http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm He has some liberal views, but many of these knocks can't be distinctly Democratic's concepts, can they? Support for small business, new crime programs, etc. But, this is the strange thing...the website that provided all the info has Dean listed as 'Hard Core Liberal" while listing Braun and Sharpton as "Moderate Liberal." If you look at their diamond charts, though, the dot for all three is in the same spot, one tic line into the liberal territory. Kerry also was on the same spot. So why do they label Dean as "Hard Core Liberal" when the other candidates in the same exact spot are labeled "Moderate Liberal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,057 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 So why do they label Dean as "Hard Core Liberal" when the other candidates in the same exact spot are labeled "Moderate Liberal"? I have absolutely no idea why they list people the way they do. But that would be a great project for you young man, contact the owners of the web site and get an answer from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,519 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Here's the site's explanation on Dean: http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candid...&p=70&e=28&t=21 On Braun: http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candid...&p=68&e=30&t=17 On Sharpton: http://www.issues2002.org/VoteMatch/candid...&p=65&e=30&t=17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 ...So why do they label Dean as "Hard Core Liberal" when the other candidates in the same exact spot are labeled "Moderate Liberal"? it's gotta be that vast right-wing conspiracy thing again.... TA, are you suggesting that dean be moved out of HARD CORE classification or suggesting that the other two should be labeled HARD CORE instead of Moderate? ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Al 0 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 ...So why do they label Dean as "Hard Core Liberal" when the other candidates in the same exact spot are labeled "Moderate Liberal"? it's gotta be that vast right-wing conspiracy thing again.... TA, are you suggesting that dean be moved out of HARD CORE classification or suggesting that the other two should be labeled HARD CORE instead of Moderate? ct I'm saying, according to their graph, I'd expect to see someone listed as a hard core liberal to be a few more tics to the left. As it is, he's only listed by the graph as one tic line into the liberal area. But, as I've said before, I think he's a bit more centrist than people think, if you look at the whole instead of just saying he's for civil unions so he's a hard core liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 i agree w/ you, TA...i don't think he's as 'out there' as some others are... i still think that, if a dem has to win the next election, i hope it's JOE L, then maybe DEAN. dean's problem is that he talks too much...if his handlers could somehow keep him from talking, he'd do a lot better. ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,350 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 i agree w/ you, TA...i don't think he's as 'out there' as some others are...i still think that, if a dem has to win the next election, i hope it's JOE L, then maybe DEAN. dean's problem is that he talks too much...if his handlers could somehow keep him from talking, he'd do a lot better. ct Ala Dan Quayle??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaTiger 0 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 i agree w/ you, TA...i don't think he's as 'out there' as some others are...i still think that, if a dem has to win the next election, i hope it's JOE L, then maybe DEAN. dean's problem is that he talks too much...if his handlers could somehow keep him from talking, he'd do a lot better. ct Ala Dan Quayle??? dan quayle was just misunderstood a lot ct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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