Hell, is there ANYTHING McCain can question Obama about ?

[AURaptor 1,126]

This election is fast becoming a joke. Can't comment about Obama's ears. Can't mention his middle name. His church he attended for 20 yrs ? Not relevant. The GOP is told to " lay off my wife " , even when she injects herself into the campaign. And now we have the dim bulb Hagel, suggesting McCain "elevate his campaign discourse to a higher, more honest level.

" . WTF ? All McCain has done is to HONESTLY and sincerely voice his difference of opinion on talking to terrorist heads of state , like Akmahnutjob in Iran. How the holy hell is that dishonest or lowering the campaign discourse ?

Fact is, it isn't. The appeasers in our nation ( obama, hagel, et al ) are worried about being seen for exactly who they are. Appeasers and cut and runners.

Americans won't stand for that, because America can't survive w/ naive simpletons like that leading our nation.

[autigeremt 6,717]

McCain can handle it! I hope they keep acting like fools about the race card. It shows how shallow they really are.

[WinCrimson 61]

This election is lost already.

You people just can't get it. Put down the "appeasers" pipe and try again in '10.

[autigeremt 6,717]

This election is lost already.

You people just can't get it. Put down the "appeasers" pipe and try again in '10.

Just like Bama was going to end the streak three years ago....hmmmmmm.

Don't count your chickens before they roost.

[arnaldoabru 11]

This election is fast becoming a joke. Can't comment about Obama's ears. Can't mention his middle name. His church he attended for 20 yrs ? Not relevant. The GOP is told to " lay off my wife " , even when she injects herself into the campaign. And now we have the dim bulb Hagel, suggesting McCain "elevate his campaign discourse to a higher, more honest level.

" . WTF ? All McCain has done is to HONESTLY and sincerely voice his difference of opinion on talking to terrorist heads of state , like Akmahnutjob in Iran. How the holy hell is that dishonest or lowering the campaign discourse ?

Fact is, it isn't. The appeasers in our nation ( obama, hagel, et al ) are worried about being seen for exactly who they are. Appeasers and cut and runners.

Americans won't stand for that, because America can't survive w/ naive simpletons like that leading our nation.

Sen. Chuck Hagel-Sgt in the Army, Vietnam Veteran, Purple Heart, Your right Raptor he is a chicken S*&^T appeaser.

[Justin5 20]

This election is fast becoming a joke. Can't comment about Obama's ears. Can't mention his middle name. His church he attended for 20 yrs ? Not relevant. The GOP is told to " lay off my wife " , even when she injects herself into the campaign. And now we have the dim bulb Hagel, suggesting McCain "elevate his campaign discourse to a higher, more honest level.

" . WTF ? All McCain has done is to HONESTLY and sincerely voice his difference of opinion on talking to terrorist heads of state , like Akmahnutjob in Iran. How the holy hell is that dishonest or lowering the campaign discourse ?

Fact is, it isn't. The appeasers in our nation ( obama, hagel, et al ) are worried about being seen for exactly who they are. Appeasers and cut and runners.

Americans won't stand for that, because America can't survive w/ naive simpletons like that leading our nation.

Can we please save this post in the classics forum? This is great stuff. I LOVE IT!

Wait, you weren't serious, right?!?

[AUHonors 0]

Americans won't stand for that, because America can't survive w/ naive simpletons like that leading our nation.

I don't know about that; we've survived the last 7 years...

On a side note, if I could stand watching FOX 'News', I would be interested to see how many times the buzz-words "appeasers" and "cut-and-run" are mentioned in a normal day.

[WinCrimson 61]

This election is lost already.

You people just can't get it. Put down the "appeasers" pipe and try again in '10.

Just like Bama was going to end the streak three years ago....hmmmmmm.

Don't count your chickens before they roost.

I never said that.

[AURaptor 1,126]

Sen. Chuck Hagel-Sgt in the Army, Vietnam Veteran, Purple Heart, Your right Raptor he is a chicken S*&^T appeaser.

i don't give a rats a$$ if Hagel won the g-damn medal of honor. His policies ARE chicken-$hit appeasement. Maybe Hagel was who John F Kerry was talking about, those who are too stupid to do anything else end up in the Army ?

[Tiger Al 0]

Sen. Chuck Hagel-Sgt in the Army, Vietnam Veteran, Purple Heart, Your right Raptor he is a chicken S*&^T appeaser.

i don't give a rats a$$ if Hagel won the g-damn medal of honor. His policies ARE chicken-$hit appeasement. Maybe Hagel was who John F Kerry was talking about, those who are too stupid to do anything else end up in the Army ?

You watch too much Fox. You don't know what appeasement means.

[AURaptor 1,126]

Sen. Chuck Hagel-Sgt in the Army, Vietnam Veteran, Purple Heart, Your right Raptor he is a chicken S*&^T appeaser.

i don't give a rats a$$ if Hagel won the g-damn medal of honor. His policies ARE chicken-$hit appeasement. Maybe Hagel was who John F Kerry was talking about, those who are too stupid to do anything else end up in the Army ?

You watch too much Fox. You don't know what appeasement means.

I barely watch FOX NEWS at all. I know exactly what appeasement means.

[AUHonors 0]

Sen. Chuck Hagel-Sgt in the Army, Vietnam Veteran, Purple Heart, Your right Raptor he is a chicken S*&^T appeaser.

i don't give a rats a$$ if Hagel won the g-damn medal of honor. His policies ARE chicken-$hit appeasement. Maybe Hagel was who John F Kerry was talking about, those who are too stupid to do anything else end up in the Army ?

You watch too much Fox. You don't know what appeasement means.

I barely watch FOX NEWS at all. I know exactly what appeasement means.

+1. But damn, I was hoping you could answer my question about the "appeasers" and "cut and run" buzz-words.

[AURaptor 1,126]

Americans won't stand for that, because America can't survive w/ naive simpletons like that leading our nation.

I don't know about that; we've survived the last 7 years...

On a side note, if I could stand watching FOX 'News', I would be interested to see how many times the buzz-words "appeasers" and "cut-and-run" are mentioned in a normal day.

I'd have to watch FOX news to know that, now wouldn't I ?

[RunInRed 16,492]

Who is playing the race card? If any thing, Obama has made an obvious effort to keep race out of this race, by avoiding the Sharptons, Jacksons, etc. of the world. Who are you talking about? If any one is injecting race into this debate it's coming from the opposition.

[tiger88 934]

This election is lost already.

You people just can't get it. Put down the "appeasers" pipe and try again in '10.

Either you are just baiting with this statment or you are the one needing to put the pipe down if you really believe that. You have much to learn young grasshopper.

[AURaptor 1,126]

Who is playing the race card? If any thing, Obama has made an obvious effort to keep race out of this race, by avoiding the Sharptons, Jacksons, etc. of the world. Who are you talking about? If any one is injecting race into this debate it's coming from the opposition.

The funny thing about this one is that it's mostly other Democrats who are making this claim, and directing it toward Hillary's camp. Obama routinely gets 90% of the black vote, regardless of which primary, but merely mentioning that fact is " racist '. Also, when Hillary accurately commented on getting the majority of blue collared WHITE people's vote, that was said by some to be her 'playing the race card'. Hell, it's TRUE! Which makes my point, what exactly CAN you bring up when referring to Obama ? Seems the only thing that won't get a harsh reaction is to call him " my opponent ".

But just wait, some one will find a way to complain about that as well. Give it time.

[RunInRed 16,492]

Who is playing the race card? If any thing, Obama has made an obvious effort to keep race out of this race, by avoiding the Sharptons, Jacksons, etc. of the world. Who are you talking about? If any one is injecting race into this debate it's coming from the opposition.

The funny thing about this one is that it's mostly other Democrats who are making this claim, and directing it toward Hillary's camp. Obama routinely gets 90% of the black vote, regardless of which primary, but merely mentioning that fact is " racist '. Also, when Hillary accurately commented on getting the majority of blue collared WHITE people's vote, that was said by some to be her 'playing the race card'. Hell, it's TRUE! Which makes my point, what exactly CAN you bring up when referring to Obama ? Seems the only thing that won't get a harsh reaction is to call him " my opponent ".

But just wait, some one will find a way to complain about that as well. Give it time.

OK...so you are saying that some blacks are voting for Obama just because he's black and some whites are voting for Clinton because Obama is black. Fair. I'm sure come the general election some whites will vote for McCain because he's white or because he's a man, or because he's a veteran, or because he's a Christian. That happens every election. So what?

[AURaptor 1,126]

OK...so you are saying that some blacks are voting for Obama just because he's black and some whites are voting for Clinton because Obama is black. Fair. I'm sure come the general election some whites will vote for McCain because he's white or because he's a man, or because he's a veteran, or because he's a Christian. That happens every election. So what?

If blacks want to vote for Obama simply because of his skin color, fine. But merely mentioning the fact that blacks are voting for Obama at a rate of around 90% is by no means 'racist'. I just wish folks would stop pretending that it is, shut the hell up about it and move on. That's what.

[Tiger Al 0]

OK...so you are saying that some blacks are voting for Obama just because he's black and some whites are voting for Clinton because Obama is black. Fair. I'm sure come the general election some whites will vote for McCain because he's white or because he's a man, or because he's a veteran, or because he's a Christian. That happens every election. So what?

If blacks want to vote for Obama simply because of his skin color, fine. But merely mentioning the fact that blacks are voting for Obama at a rate of around 90% is by no means 'racist'. I just wish folks would stop pretending that it is, shut the hell up about it and move on. That's what.

You seem to be howling at the moon. Who said that saying "90% of the black vote goes to Obama" is racist? Nearly every primary I've watched, somebody mentions racial breakdown of the vote. As I'm typing this RIGHT NOW Norah O'Donnell is on 'Hardball' discussing this and nobody's saying a thing.

[AURaptor 1,126]

In politics, as in life, wishing something doesn’t make it so.

For instance, I wish I could believe that Barack Obama’s thumpin’ in West Virginia — coupled with his losses in similarly working-class and mostly white Indiana and Pennyslvania — had nothing to do with race (as Ari Kaufman claimed here yesterday) and that voters decided those races on the merits, weighing only the issues and perhaps concerns about Obama’s truthfulness in light of lingering questions about his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Maybe if Hillary Clinton hadn’t boasted about the support she’s getting from white voters when she blurted out to USA Today that “Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again” and that whites who had not completed college were backing her.

Maybe if there hadn’t been that illuminating article in the Washington Post about racist incidents experienced by Obama volunteers in Indiana and Pennsylvania, and if bomb threats hadn’t been called into Obama campaign offices in some parts of Indiana and other offices in the states vandalized.

Maybe if Mike Norman — a white bar owner in Marietta, Georgia — wasn’t doing a swift business hawking “Obama ’08” t-shirts with a picture of Curious George holding a banana because, Norman insists, he saw a resemblance between the cartoon and the African-American presidential candidate.

Maybe if, in West Virginia, Clinton hadn’t beaten Obama by 2-to-1; if Clinton hadn’t won about 70 percent of the white vote; if she hadn’t won – for the first time – the under-30 white vote; if 22 percent of white voters hadn’t said that race was a factor in how they voted; and if 80 percent of those who felt that way hadn’t supported Clinton.

And maybe if there weren’t still parts of the country where white people are conditioned to think of black people as inferior and have a hard time getting their head around the concept of a half Kenyan/half Kansan Harvard Law School graduate/U.S. Senator/bestselling author who could well become the nation’s first black president.

But that’s a lot of “maybes” to get beyond.

And while Obama won the votes of “hardworking white Americans” in places like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wyoming, that doesn’t change the fact that — elsewhere — white support has been elusive for the Democratic frontrunner.

Now there are those who would point out that, in this primary election, black support has been just as elusive for Hillary Clinton and that Obama has routinely walked off with 80 percent or more of the black vote.

That’s true. But it’s hard to draw an apples-to-apples comparison between that and what happened in West Virginia.

First, voting for someone because of his or her race, religion or ethnicity isn’t the same as voting against someone for those reasons. Jewish voters might have been drawn to Joe Lieberman. But it’s a whole different kettle of fish when you have other voters rejecting Lieberman because he is Jewish. There are words to describe that sort of thing, and they all end in “-ism.”

Besides, you can’t say that black Democrats haven’t shown their willingness over the years to support white presidential candidates. In the last 50 years, black voters have voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukasis, Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter, George McGovern, Robert Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and John Kennedy. But this is the first time in our nation’s history that white voters have a chance to vote for a black candidate for president who might actually have a shot at the presidency. And how are they responding?

In some cases, in some places, the answer is: not well.

I wish it were otherwise.

Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a member of the editorial board of the San Diego Union Tribune, a nationally syndicated columnist, a frequent lecturer and a regular contributor to CNN.com.

[RunInRed 16,492]

OK...so you are saying that some blacks are voting for Obama just because he's black and some whites are voting for Clinton because Obama is black. Fair. I'm sure come the general election some whites will vote for McCain because he's white or because he's a man, or because he's a veteran, or because he's a Christian. That happens every election. So what?

If blacks want to vote for Obama simply because of his skin color, fine. But merely mentioning the fact that blacks are voting for Obama at a rate of around 90% is by no means 'racist'. I just wish folks would stop pretending that it is, shut the hell up about it and move on. That's what.

You seem to be howling at the moon. Who said that saying "90% of the black vote goes to Obama" is racist? Nearly every primary I've watched, somebody mentions racial breakdown of the vote. As I'm typing this RIGHT NOW Norah O'Donnell is on 'Hardball' discussing this and nobody's saying a thing.

This whole thread came out of thin air...yet "we" are the ones making a big deal about race. Love the irony.

[Tiger Al 0]

In politics, as in life, wishing something doesn’t make it so.

For instance, I wish I could believe that Barack Obama’s thumpin’ in West Virginia — coupled with his losses in similarly working-class and mostly white Indiana and Pennyslvania — had nothing to do with race (as Ari Kaufman claimed here yesterday) and that voters decided those races on the merits, weighing only the issues and perhaps concerns about Obama’s truthfulness in light of lingering questions about his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Maybe if Hillary Clinton hadn’t boasted about the support she’s getting from white voters when she blurted out to USA Today that “Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again” and that whites who had not completed college were backing her.

Maybe if there hadn’t been that illuminating article in the Washington Post about racist incidents experienced by Obama volunteers in Indiana and Pennsylvania, and if bomb threats hadn’t been called into Obama campaign offices in some parts of Indiana and other offices in the states vandalized.

Maybe if Mike Norman — a white bar owner in Marietta, Georgia — wasn’t doing a swift business hawking “Obama ’08” t-shirts with a picture of Curious George holding a banana because, Norman insists, he saw a resemblance between the cartoon and the African-American presidential candidate.

Maybe if, in West Virginia, Clinton hadn’t beaten Obama by 2-to-1; if Clinton hadn’t won about 70 percent of the white vote; if she hadn’t won – for the first time – the under-30 white vote; if 22 percent of white voters hadn’t said that race was a factor in how they voted; and if 80 percent of those who felt that way hadn’t supported Clinton.

And maybe if there weren’t still parts of the country where white people are conditioned to think of black people as inferior and have a hard time getting their head around the concept of a half Kenyan/half Kansan Harvard Law School graduate/U.S. Senator/bestselling author who could well become the nation’s first black president.

But that’s a lot of “maybes” to get beyond.

And while Obama won the votes of “hardworking white Americans” in places like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wyoming, that doesn’t change the fact that — elsewhere — white support has been elusive for the Democratic frontrunner.

Now there are those who would point out that, in this primary election, black support has been just as elusive for Hillary Clinton and that Obama has routinely walked off with 80 percent or more of the black vote.

That’s true. But it’s hard to draw an apples-to-apples comparison between that and what happened in West Virginia.

First, voting for someone because of his or her race, religion or ethnicity isn’t the same as voting against someone for those reasons. Jewish voters might have been drawn to Joe Lieberman. But it’s a whole different kettle of fish when you have other voters rejecting Lieberman because he is Jewish. There are words to describe that sort of thing, and they all end in “-ism.”

Besides, you can’t say that black Democrats haven’t shown their willingness over the years to support white presidential candidates. In the last 50 years, black voters have voted for John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukasis, Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter, George McGovern, Robert Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and John Kennedy. But this is the first time in our nation’s history that white voters have a chance to vote for a black candidate for president who might actually have a shot at the presidency. And how are they responding?

In some cases, in some places, the answer is: not well.

I wish it were otherwise.

Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a member of the editorial board of the San Diego Union Tribune, a nationally syndicated columnist, a frequent lecturer and a regular contributor to CNN.com.

Nice article. Does it have a point that's relevant to this thread?

[SouthLink02 8]

This election is fast becoming a joke.

This election became a joke a long time ago

When I am not hearing Republicans call Obama all sorts of names or making up lies about his background, I am hearing Democrats calling Bush everything in the book claiming he destroyed everything without solutions or trying to make McCain out to be some devil that he isn't

I respect McCain a lot even though I disagree with him on a LOT of issues

I respect Obama even though I think a lot of his issues are wrong

I get disgusted hearing both sides lie all day, every day about the other side

Republicans and Democrats love to paint the other as the reason for negative politics OR the reason things don't get done yet they both are the EXACT same negativity wise and they BOTH block the other from doing certain things.

[Tiger Al 0]

This election is fast becoming a joke.

This election became a joke a long time ago

When I am not hearing Republicans call Obama all sorts of names or making up lies about his background, I am hearing Democrats calling Bush everything in the book claiming he destroyed everything without solutions or trying to make McCain out to be some devil that he isn't

I respect McCain a lot even though I disagree with him on a LOT of issues

I respect Obama even though I think a lot of his issues are wrong

I get disgusted hearing both sides lie all day, every day about the other side

Republicans and Democrats love to paint the other as the reason for negative politics OR the reason things don't get done yet they both are the EXACT same negativity wise and they BOTH block the other from doing certain things.

For the record, WE don't lie!

[Auburn85 432]

Buchanan tries to explain kinda what AURaptor is talking about. If I'm offbase raptor let me know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIfPNp6dMP4...feature=related