LegalEagle 22 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 . . . Charged, but insists his work for Swiftees is not related to his Bush duties! And who said lawyers lie??? *grin* Kerry attys. also get honorable mention. . . *grin* http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/24/...p.ap/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Typical CNN article. It spend 99% of the time on the Republican article and insinuating there is a problem. Then in one sentence at the end of the article they not that DNC lawyer Joel Sandler sees nothing wrong. Hmmmmm, could this be that it is common on the Demo. side too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUJarhead 70 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Yahoo news is now reporting that he's quit the Bush campaign... Yahoo News Lawyer Advising Vets Quits Bush Campaign 3 minutes ago Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo! By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - An election lawyer for President Bush (news - web sites) who also has been advising a veterans group running TV ads against Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) resigned Wednesday from Bush's campaign. "I cannot begin to express my sadness that my legal representations have become a distraction from the critical issues at hand in this election," Benjamin Ginsberg wrote in a resignation letter to Bush released by the campaign. "I feel I cannot let that continue, so I have decided to resign as national counsel to your campaign to ensure that the giving of legal advice to decorated military veterans, which was entirely within the boundaries of the law, doesn't distract from the real issues upon which you and the country should be focusing." Ginsberg's acknowledgment Tuesday evening that he was providing legal advice to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth marked the second time in days that an individual associated with the Bush-Cheney campaign had been connected to the group, which Kerry accuses of being a front for the Republican incumbent's re-election effort. The Bush campaign and the veterans' group have said repeatedly that there is no coordination. Lawyers on the Democratic side are also representing both the campaign or party and outside groups running ads in the presidential race. Ginsberg's dual role has drawn attention because of an ad the Swift Boat Veterans group ran accusing Kerry of exaggerating his Vietnam War record, an issue that has dominated the campaign since early August. Kerry has fired back by accusing Bush of using the group as a front to run a smear campaign for him. Democrats have jumped on any tie, even if legal, to back up that claim. Ginsberg said he never told the Bush campaign what he discussed with the group, or vice versa, and didn't advise the group on ad strategies. The group "came to me and said, 'We have a point of view we want to get into the First Amendment debate right now. There's a new law. It's very complicated. We want to comply with the law, will you keep us in the bounds of the law?'" Ginsberg said in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. "I said yes, absolutely, as I would do for anyone." Ginsberg said he had not yet decided whether to charge the Swift Boat Veterans a fee for his work. On Saturday, retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier resigned as a member of the Bush campaign's veterans' steering committee after it was learned that he appeared in the commercial. Kerry, meanwhile, is the subject of complaints by the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) accusing his campaign of illegally coordinating anti-Bush ads with soft-money groups on the Democratic side, allegations he and the groups deny. Neither campaign has produced proof of coordination on the part of its rival. Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once. In addition to the FEC's coordination rules, attorneys are ethically bound to maintain attorney-client confidentiality, Sandler said. They could lose their law license if they violate that, he said. Ginsberg represented the Bush campaign in 2000 and became a prominent figure during the Florida recount. He also served as counsel to the RNC in its unsuccessful lawsuit seeking to overturn the nation's campaign finance law, which banned the national party committees from collecting corporate, union and unlimited donations known as soft money and imposed stricter rules on coordination involving parties, candidates and interest groups. Larry Noble, head of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics campaign watchdog group and former FEC general counsel, said it's true that serving as a lawyer for both a campaign and a soft-money group isn't considered automatic evidence of coordination under commission rules, but added that it doesn't mean the FEC won't look at it. "I think there's a valid question about when you're talking about strictly legal advice and when you're talking about policy issues and strategic issues," Noble said. "It's fair to ask what the advice is about." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Ginsberg resigned this morning as a campaign lawyer to remove any perception of a conflict of interest. Wonder is any dems will do such an honorable thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,053 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Wonder is any dems will do such an honorable thing? Don't count on it or hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger in Spain 0 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Wonder is any dems will do such an honorable thing? With 17 of the top 20 527 groups bringing in over $133M to the donkey party, I wouldn't expect to see any sudden shift in the direction of honor from these hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,006 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Ginsberg resigned this morning as a campaign lawyer to remove any perception of a conflict of interest. Wonder is any dems will do such an honorable thing? Since the two are joined at the hip, where was the "conflict of interest"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 According to everything I read, he gave free advice to them and never charged them. Of course, we have all read by now of how many lawyers on the democratic payroll have ties to Move-org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle 22 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 According to everything I read, he gave free advice to them and never charged them. Isn't that very telling Ranger? Why would he give FREE ADVICE unless he was supporting the group. If he had charged it would have shown some independence. Ol' Bush hates lawyers, but every time I turn around he's got another one or two on the payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 According to everything I read, he gave free advice to them and never charged them. Isn't that very telling Ranger? Why would he give FREE ADVICE unless he was supporting the group. If he had charged it would have shown some independence. Ol' Bush hates lawyers, but every time I turn around he's got another one or two on the payroll. Like I said that was just some things that I read. What does that tell at all?Why does it matter if he supports Bush or not. Just because he is a lawyer, he is not supposed to be able to represent something he supports? Then I guess the majority of our politicians need to give up their office then considering that alot them are lawyers. Sorry, but that was not a real keen comment there LegalEagle. Kind of funny that you say that when you know good and well that the lawyers for the democrats would not be representing them if they did not support the dems platform, so please don't feed my that bs. BTW, Ginsberg was on O'Rielly last night and he explained in detail what his association was. SBVT contacted him to make sure that their ads would comply with the campaign laws and what they wanted to say would not violate any laws. Ginsberg said what he did was legal and that he did not tell the Bush administration about the SBVT and he did not tell the SBVT about anything the campaign was doing because it would violate client trust for each. He said he resigned because that he realized that his work with the SBVT may cause the campaign to unfairly suffer given the current political climate. He also made it clear that his client was the campaign and not the administration. He also never said anything about if he charged or gave free advice. Again, I was making a comment about what I read, never said it came from Ginsberg's mouth. But, if he did give them free advice, so what? Lawyer's all over the country give free consultations all the time, so what is the big deal if he did the same for SBVT. Is that not his right to decide what he does with his own time and talents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,342 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 According to everything I read, he gave free advice to them and never charged them. Isn't that very telling Ranger? Why would he give FREE ADVICE unless he was supporting the group. If he had charged it would have shown some independence. Ol' Bush hates lawyers, but every time I turn around he's got another one or two on the payroll. You guys have bastardized the legal system so bad that if he doesn't have one on the payroll, he'll get sued by another idiot lawyer working for another demoncratic idiot organization. Now it's come out that several lawyers on the sKerry campaign have given advice to moveon.org, but I don't hear of any stepping down. The DNC is nothing more than collective scum. They lie, they falsify, they support and expect the support of scum. sKerry crying to Bush about the swift boat guys is about as hypocritical as one can get. Go ahead and waste your vote on sKerry. Bush and men like him allow you to retain that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle 22 Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 According to everything I read, he gave free advice to them and never charged them. Isn't that very telling Ranger? Why would he give FREE ADVICE unless he was supporting the group. If he had charged it would have shown some independence. Ol' Bush hates lawyers, but every time I turn around he's got another one or two on the payroll. You guys have bastardized the legal system so bad that if he doesn't have one on the payroll, he'll get sued by another idiot lawyer working for another demoncratic idiot organization. Now it's come out that several lawyers on the sKerry campaign have given advice to moveon.org, but I don't hear of any stepping down. The DNC is nothing more than collective scum. They lie, they falsify, they support and expect the support of scum. sKerry crying to Bush about the swift boat guys is about as hypocritical as one can get. Go ahead and waste your vote on sKerry. Bush and men like him allow you to retain that right. Have no fear; I love this country too much to vote for Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydubb121 22 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Have no fear; I love this country too much to vote for Bush. I read all of the stuff on Kerry that TA posted on that other thread about Kerry's hopes and dreams for America. Yeah, I read the whole thing. I never saw a single sentence that sounds as out of touch with reality as that one. What does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,457 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 By the way, THANK YOU to my friend Jaydubb and the other posters here that have served or are currently serving OUR Country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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