Tigermike 3,044 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Swift Boat Vets to Launch Another AdTuesday, September 21, 2004 WASHINGTON  The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are launching a new wave of attacks against Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry, FOX News has learned. The group, which has been largely responsible for questioning the Massachusetts senator's Vietnam-era heroism, has made its largest media buy yet of the presidential campaign. It has put $1.2 million behind a new ad that attacks the candidate's 1970 meeting in Paris with members of two North Vietnamese delegations. The ads, which will be launched Wednesday, will run on broadcast affiliates in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, Nevada and New Mexico. The ads come as controversy continues to swirl around questionable documents aired by CBS purporting to show that President Bush shirked his Vietnam-era Texas Air National Guard service and received special treatment to get into the unit. FOX News analysts have said the memos are forgeries. The Kerry campaign has acknowledged that Kerry traveled to Paris in 1970 with his then new wife, Julia Thorne. Kerry's campaign said the meetings were not part of any negotiation with the enemy but were part of Kerry's fact-finding efforts relating to the war and ways to win the release of U.S. prisoners of war. Historian Gerald Nicosia has told FOX News that Kerry made a second trip to Paris in 1971 for many of the same reasons Kerry's campaign has cited for the 1970 trip. Kerry's camp denies a Kerry meeting with the North Vietnamese in the summer of 1971. According to a Denver Post article dated Aug. 26, 1971, Kerry, in a speech to the National Student Association Congress at Colorado State University, said he had just returned from a trip to Paris to talk with delegates at the peace talks and said North Vietnamese delegates seem to have "a certain resignation" toward President Nixon's proposed trip to China. Some Kerry critics have alleged he violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice by meeting with the North Vietnamese while still a reserve officer with the U.S. Navy. Kerry had been placed on inactive status with the Navy in January 1970. Kerry's campaign said the Code of Military Justice did not apply to him because he was on inactive duty status. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group has said it will run ads attacking Kerry's Vietnam record through Election Day. Following is text from the ad, titled "Friends." Opens With: Footage of Jane Fonda Cuts To: Stills of Kerry, protesters, then Kerry testifying Cuts to: Fonda at a press conference Announcer: "Even before Jane Fonda went to Hanoi to meet with the enemy and mock America, John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders in Paris. Though we were still at war and Americans were being held in North Vietnamese prison camps. Then, he returned and accused American troops of committing war crimes on a daily basis. Eventually Jane Fonda apologized for her activities, but John Kerry refuses to. In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133060,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,969 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Swift Boat Vets to Launch Another AdTuesday, September 21, 2004 WASHINGTON  The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are launching a new wave of attacks against Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry, FOX News has learned. The group, which has been largely responsible for questioning the Massachusetts senator's Vietnam-era heroism, has made its largest media buy yet of the presidential campaign. It has put $1.2 million behind a new ad that attacks the candidate's 1970 meeting in Paris with members of two North Vietnamese delegations. The ads, which will be launched Wednesday, will run on broadcast affiliates in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, Nevada and New Mexico. The ads come as controversy continues to swirl around questionable documents aired by CBS purporting to show that President Bush shirked his Vietnam-era Texas Air National Guard service and received special treatment to get into the unit. FOX News analysts have said the memos are forgeries. The Kerry campaign has acknowledged that Kerry traveled to Paris in 1970 with his then new wife, Julia Thorne. Kerry's campaign said the meetings were not part of any negotiation with the enemy but were part of Kerry's fact-finding efforts relating to the war and ways to win the release of U.S. prisoners of war. Historian Gerald Nicosia has told FOX News that Kerry made a second trip to Paris in 1971 for many of the same reasons Kerry's campaign has cited for the 1970 trip. Kerry's camp denies a Kerry meeting with the North Vietnamese in the summer of 1971. According to a Denver Post article dated Aug. 26, 1971, Kerry, in a speech to the National Student Association Congress at Colorado State University, said he had just returned from a trip to Paris to talk with delegates at the peace talks and said North Vietnamese delegates seem to have "a certain resignation" toward President Nixon's proposed trip to China. Some Kerry critics have alleged he violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice by meeting with the North Vietnamese while still a reserve officer with the U.S. Navy. Kerry had been placed on inactive status with the Navy in January 1970. Kerry's campaign said the Code of Military Justice did not apply to him because he was on inactive duty status. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group has said it will run ads attacking Kerry's Vietnam record through Election Day. Following is text from the ad, titled "Friends." Opens With: Footage of Jane Fonda Cuts To: Stills of Kerry, protesters, then Kerry testifying Cuts to: Fonda at a press conference Announcer: "Even before Jane Fonda went to Hanoi to meet with the enemy and mock America, John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders in Paris. Though we were still at war and Americans were being held in North Vietnamese prison camps. Then, he returned and accused American troops of committing war crimes on a daily basis. Eventually Jane Fonda apologized for her activities, but John Kerry refuses to. In a time of war, can America trust a man who betrayed his country?" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133060,00.html John Kerry freely discussed this "secret" meeting with the Senate during his 1971 testimony. They responded very favorably to Mr. Kerry. http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,044 Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 John Kerry freely discussed this "secret" meeting with the Senate during his 1971 testimony. They responded very favorably to Mr. Kerry. Which secret meeting did he discuss, the first or the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,969 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 John Kerry freely discussed this "secret" meeting with the Senate during his 1971 testimony. They responded very favorably to Mr. Kerry. Which secret meeting did he discuss, the first or the second? Do yourself and favor and read the entire testimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 And after reading the entire thing...if you don't see it how TexasTiger does...he'll belittle you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,044 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 And after reading the entire thing...if you don't see it how TexasTiger does...he'll belittle you. I have read and listened to Kerry's testimony before. I don't care to subject myself to that any time soon, nor will I. I will instead content myself with the torpedoes of the Swifties hitting the Kerry campaign broadside. From the looks of Kerry's poll numbers after the Swift Boat Vets hit the airwaves, it seems that more people believe them than believe Kerry and the democrats. At least their story has stayed the same. Has Mr. Kerry's? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,969 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 At least their story has stayed the same. Possibly your most hilarious post to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 3,044 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 At least their story has stayed the same. Possibly your most hilarious post to date. Then quit laughing and prove it. Show where they have changed course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,969 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 At least their story has stayed the same. Possibly your most hilarious post to date. Then quit laughing and prove it. Show where they have changed course. I'd rather laugh than do all your research for you. If you were interested in the truth you would have stumbled over it by now. Here's a couple, however: Elliott had previously defended Kerry on that score when his record was questioned during his 1996 Senate campaign. At that time Elliott came to Boston and said Kerry acted properly and deserved the Silver Star. And as recently as June, 2003, Elliott called Kerry's Silver Star "well deserved" and his action "courageous" for beaching his boat in the face of an ambush:Elliott (Boston Globe, June 2003): I ended up writing it up for a Silver Star, which is well deserved, and I have no regrets or second thoughts at all about that. . . . (It) was pretty courageous to turn into an ambush even though you usually find no more than two or three people there. Elliott now feels differently, and says he has come to believe Kerry didn't deserve his second award for valor, either, based only on what the other anti-Kerry veterans have told him. He told the Globe Aug. 6: Elliott: I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand. http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231   "He lacks the capacity to lead"  Adrian Lonsdale  Adrian Lonsdale in 1996: "As far as I was concerned, the war was won over there in that part for that period. And it was mainly won because of the bravado and the courage of the young officers that ran the boats, the SWIFT boats and the Coast Guard cutters and Senator Kerry was no exception." [Kerry for Senate Press Conference, 10/27/96] http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/080504_truth.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,969 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 And after reading the entire thing...if you don't see it how TexasTiger does...he'll belittle you. Still whining? You asked me a question that had nothing to with Kerry. I gave you a straightforward response, you replied with Clinton, Kerry, Kerry, Kerry. You routinely ask for replies then you launch into your talking points instead of responding to them. That's not a dialogue. I have nothing against you personally, BG, but attempts to have a meaningful exchange with you tend to go nowhere. Let's not waste our time anymore and that should make us both happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,336 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Since sKerry has the national media and plenty of 527s on his side, that he supports BTW, Bush might as well have a surprise ally. Why should Bush ask them to stop? Its their right the same as the satanic moveon.org. I think people like to believe TRUTHFUL veterans and not some politically motivated "look at all my purple hearts" traitorous (to the swifties) liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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