Tigermike 3,903 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 This was posted on an open forum at ITAT. I thought you would all appreciate the info. I did not do the research nor make the original post. Cut & paste is great isn't it? Football: Just the Facts for $PUAT Recently there was a letter in the Birmingham News, ranting about how Alabama is superior over Auburn in everything, and especially football, and that everybody acknowledges that and it will never change so Auburn people should just get used to it and quit trying to gloat over one fluke perfect season. What can be determined about the writer of that letter? Either he is: (1) very old and in his latter years, he can be only relegated to living in the distant past; or (2) he has dementia and his short-term memory ... how about for more than the past two decades!! ... has been totally obliterated. Unfortunately for their sake, the delusional writer of that letter probably represents what many, if not most, longtime Alabama fans still allow themselves to believe as how people perceive their football program. Especially relating to football, is Alabama really superior to Auburn and everybody knows it? Facts speak for themselves: **** 1982-2004 ... the past 23 years ... since Pat Dye came to Auburn ... in other words, a complete generation has been born, graduated from college, and is in the business world and raising families since this long ago timeframe began: TOTAL WINS -- Auburn (194) ... an average of 8.43 wins per season ... ranks #10 among all major conference college teams (only teams ahead of Auburn are Nebraska, FSU, Miami, Michigan, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio State, Brigham Young and Oklahoma). Alabama (179) ... ranks #19 among all major conference teams ... interestingly, Alabama has played 280 games, while Auburn has played 276 games. So, Auburn has played four fewer games and won 15 more games. WINNING PERCENTAGE -- Auburn (71.19%) ... ranks #10 among all major college conference teams, trailing only Marshall, plus the other eight teams mentioned above in the previous listing. Since Marshall has played only 102 Division I games during that time, Auburn is really ninth among all teams that should be considered during that period as major college teams. Alabama (64.11%) ... ranks #25 among all major conference teams ... ranks behind Air Force, Fresno, Toledo and Boise. TOTAL LOSSES -- Auburn (77) ... ranks #8 in fewest losses in the past 23 seasons ... only Miami, Nebraska, FSU, Tennessee, Michigan, Florida and Ohio State have lost fewer games among the major conference teams. Alabama (100) ... ranks # 24 in fewest losses during that period ... so 23 teams have lost fewer games, where only eight have lost fewer games than Auburn. SEC AND NATIONAL RANKING COMPARISONS -- SEC Championships ... Auburn (5), Alabama (3) Undefeated Seasons ... Auburn (2), Alabama (1) "Official Consensus" National Championships ... Alabama (1), Auburn (0) ... AU did receive national championship awards after the 1993 and 2004 seasons, but not consensus recognition National Rankings ... Times finishing in the Associated Press Top 25 ... Auburn (16), Alabama (13) Times finishing in the Associated Press Top 10 ... Auburn (8), Alabama (6) **** 1993-2004 ... the past 12 years ... the years since Pat Dye left Auburn ... (HERE'S A HINT ... Things don't get any better for Alabama.) TOTAL WINS -- Auburn (100) ... an average of 8.33 wins per season ... ranks #11 among all major conference college teams (only teams ahead of Auburn are FSU, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio State, Miami, Kansas State, Michigan, Virginia Tech and Texas.) Alabama (82) ... ranks #36 among all major conference teams ... interestingly, Alabama has played 147 games, while Auburn has played 145 games. So, Auburn has played two fewer games and won 18 more games. WINNING PERCENTAGE -- Auburn (69.31%) ... ranks #11 among all major college conference teams, trailing only the same 10 listed ahead of Auburn in the previous list of total wins. Alabama (55.78%) ... ranks #46 among all major conference teams ... ranks behind North Carolina State, Bowling Green, North Carolina, Fresno, TCU, Southern Miss, Air Force, Louisville, Miami-Ohio, Colorado State and 34 others. TOTAL LOSSES -- Auburn (44) ... ranks #10 in fewest losses in the past 12 seasons, again trailing only the same 10 teams previously listed. Alabama (65) ... ranks # 48 in fewest losses during that period ... so with 47 other college teams losing fewer games in the past 12 years, the names of those teams would be much to long to list here. NATIONAL RANKINGS -- Times finishing in the Associated Press Top 25 ... Auburn (8), Alabama (7) Times finishing in the Associated Press Top 10 ... Auburn (3), Alabama (3) Non-Winning Seasons ... Auburn (2), Alabama (5) including 0-12 listed as the Bama official record during one season due to having to forfeit all games during one of their three NCAA probations during that period. So, in recent history ... almost 2 1/2 decades ... the entire lifetime of one complete SEC football fan generation, born after Bear Bryant died ... has one of these two teams clearly been the dominant team over the other? It does look like one team has pretty well been predominant. The facts speak for themselves. Wonder how the writer of that letter would try to sugar coat facts? Hope you find this interesting. MIDTOWN ATLANTA 21-13 28-23 17-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarDlowe 39 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I would love to see that posted on a Bammer board and see the reaction to it, if one was even allowed before the poster was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug2003 1 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Hey, great job with the stats and figures. This is good stuff and should be shared with the Bammers who are terminally addicted to the coolaide they brew in T town. Think they can handle the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,534 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 TigerMike, My hat is off to you for doing a lot of research in order to be able to point out the BIG difference in the two programs. (If indeed uat can call what they now have a "program".) The TRUTH is there for all to see. Pity that the vast majority of the uaters can't see or will not see the TRUTH. Oh well, I guess we will just continue to dominate them over and over and over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 21,665 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Don't forget about this one. It's in our classics forum. Perfect for ammo when dealing with a bammer stuck in 1979. http://www.aunation.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesfau 0 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I would love to see that posted on a Bammer board and see the reaction to it, if one was even allowed before the poster was banned. 147480[/snapback] Here is the typical Bama response to that post: Well, you barners think football began in the early 80's. How can you discount all the previous years in which Bama established its dominance as a football dynasty. That is TRADITION and you don't understand because you've never had any. ..ugh..now I need a shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streyeder 0 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I would love to see that posted on a Bammer board and see the reaction to it, if one was even allowed before the poster was banned. 147480[/snapback] Here is the typical Bama response to that post: Well, you barners think football began in the early 80's. How can you discount all the previous years in which Bama established its dominance as a football dynasty. That is TRADITION and you don't understand because you've never had any. ..ugh..now I need a shower. 147543[/snapback] So, you're saying that, like Florida, AU is just new to the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 146 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I would love to see that posted on a Bammer board and see the reaction to it, if one was even allowed before the poster was banned. 147480[/snapback] Here is the typical Bama response to that post: Well, you barners think football began in the early 80's. How can you discount all the previous years in which Bama established its dominance as a football dynasty. That is TRADITION and you don't understand because you've never had any. ..ugh..now I need a shower. 147543[/snapback] So, you're saying that, like Florida, AU is just new to the game? 147603[/snapback] No. Read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,534 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I am shocked that a uat"fan" could read it the first time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Now you know why the bammers like to dwell on the Bear years rather than the bare years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlue72 0 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Yep, we believe that football started in 1980, just like the bammers believe it started in 1960! The FACT is that Auburn had a strong football program and a tradition long before bammer. Auburn WON the first football game played in what is now the SEC..... the year before Bammer had a football team. Auburn beat Bammer the first time the two teams played, so if you want to look at recent trends or early trends they both go to Auburn. Only in that dark time when the Bahr and his friend Jack ruled the SEC with a smile and $100 handshake did Bammer have the upper hand against Auburn. During Bammer's early "glory years" they ducked Auburn just as they duck UAB today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shug2003 1 Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hey, we people that are over 55 remember when AU ruled, not Bammer! During the 1950's, we didn't take Bammer seriously at all. They were the "dregs" of College football. I remember in either 1957 or 58 we beat them 40-0 and that wasn't unusual. In fact, the reason Bear came back was because Auburn was beating the crap out of them every year and Shug was the most outstanding coach in the SEC. These little farts who were born in the 1980's have no idea about what history really is. In closing, IF bear had not come back, Auburn would probably be leading this series by as much as they led when he came back. Right now, we lead the series anyhow since Bear died. WDE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 We beat bama all 4 years I was in school Not many Auburn fans can say that but a whole bunch of younguns' can say it this time next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigrinum Major Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 We beat bama all 4 years I was in school Not many Auburn fans can say that but a whole bunch of younguns' can say it this time next year  147920[/snapback] PT, I am not as old as you are and I can say it: 1986-1989. Four straight. The 1989 game in JH was electric. The air about the stadium had an orange and blue haze from all the shakers. Ahh, the salad days... And it looks like they are back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydubb121 22 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ahhh yes , the salad days. Believe it or not WarTim and I were actually employed at the same company for part of that four year run. I can remember plastering the place with flyers of an Auburn Santa Claus with the caption" HO HO HO Four in a row!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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