AUDub 11,184 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2018/01/15/jorge-garcia-daca-deported-mexico-immigration/1033296001/ Quote NIRAJ WARIKOO | DETROIT FREE PRESS 5 minutes ago Jorge Garcia, 39, of Lincoln Park, hugs his wife and two kids before being escorted by ICE agents to be deported to Mexico, on Jan. 15, 2018, at Detroit Metro Airport. ERIK SHELLEY His arms wrapped around his wife and two teenage children, Jorge Garcia's eyes welled up Monday morning as he looked into their eyes one last time near the entrance to the airport security gate at Detroit Metro Airport. Jorge Garcia, 39, of Lincoln Park hugs his wife, Cindy Garcia, and their two children at Detroit Metro Airport on Jan. 15, 2018, moments before boarding a flight to Mexico. NIRAJ WARIKOO/DETROIT FREE PRESS His wife, Cindy Garcia, cried out while his daughter, Soleil, 15, sobbed into Garcia's shoulder as they hugged. Two U.S. immigration agents kept a close watch nearby. After 30 years of living in the U.S, Garcia, a 39-year-old Lincoln Park landscaper, was deported on the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. holiday from metro Detroit to Mexico, a move supporters say was another example of immigrants being unfairly targeted under the Trump administration. Jorge Garcia was brought to the U.S. by an undocumented family member when he was 10 years old. Today he has a wife and two children,, all of whom are U.S. citizens. This is cruel. The man was brought here as a 10 year old child, so it's not like he had a say in the matter, pays his taxes, has no criminal record and is married with two children. The rest of the family is losing a breadwinner, a wife is losing a husband, the kids are losing a dad. Since he's being deported, it will be a decade before he's legally allowed to apply to get back in, and that is a slow process with no guarantee of success. If he's lucky, he may get back in time to see his grandkids being born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Let's also add in the fact that he likely has nothing to go back to in Mexico. Cases like this just make me sad and angry for the family. It's simply not a humane thing to do to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDavE 332 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Let's look at the other side for a change. He knew he was here illegally. In 30 years, what did he go to correct his problem? NADA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,184 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, WDavE said: Let's look at the other side for a change. He knew he was here illegally. In 30 years, what did he go to correct his problem? NADA! You don't really know how our immigration laws work for people in his situation, do you? There is no easy path to citizenship for him since he came here illegally to begin with. He would have to leave the country and then apply for re-entry, and the real bitch is that there are no guarantees he would receive it, even given his circumstances, as he would have a black mark for entering illegally to begin with. It's a tough balance to reach, but this is one of those cases where some discretion should be applied and he should be allowed to stay. It's not doing anyone any good to deport this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 MAGA ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:11 PM, AUDub said: You don't really know how our immigration laws work for people in his situation, do you? There is no easy path to citizenship for him since he came here illegally to begin with. He would have to leave the country and then apply for re-entry, and the real bitch is that there are no guarantees he would receive it, even given his circumstances, as he would have a black mark for entering illegally to begin with. It's a tough balance to reach, but this is one of those cases where some discretion should be applied and he should be allowed to stay. It's not doing anyone any good to deport this guy. This is what makes me so angry about our government. EVERYONE agrees that things like this should be avoided. Why can't we have bipartisan legislation to fix things like this? If BOTH sides were honest, then they would admit that they would like to fix situations like this. But the Dems would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of amnesty for everyone. Meanwhile, the Repubs would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of a wall and deportation for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, Grumps said: This is what makes me so angry about our government. EVERYONE agrees that things like this should be avoided. Why can't we have bipartisan legislation to fix things like this? If BOTH sides were honest, then they would admit that they would like to fix situations like this. But the Dems would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of amnesty for everyone. Meanwhile, the Repubs would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of a wall and deportation for everyone. That's the question that prompted me to start the DACA thread. I think Trump is pandering to his base, who would just as soon deport them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, homersapien said: That's the question that prompted me to start the DACA thread. I think Trump is pandering to his base, who would just as soon deport them all. You may be right, but I don't think that his base really wants to deport them all. I think that his base wants to feel like their rights as citizens are more important than the rights of illegals. I think that his base feels that citizens being forced to pay for the care of illegals is wrong. I think his base thinks that immigration laws should either be enforced or changed. I think his base thinks that sanctuary cities are a form anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn85 432 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'll never understand how someone like this man, who keeps a low profile, gets booted out. Then, someone like Jose Antonio Vargas can have such a high profile career and be given a show on MTV ,can stay and not be singled out like the man in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Grumps said: You may be right, but I don't think that his base really wants to deport them all. I think that his base wants to feel like their rights as citizens are more important than the rights of illegals. I think that his base feels that citizens being forced to pay for the care of illegals is wrong. I think his base thinks that immigration laws should either be enforced or changed. I think his base thinks that sanctuary cities are a form anarchy. It's funny. When written like this, these stances seem eminently reasonable. The problem is, there is no one in a leadership role that's speaking this plainly and offering solutions. Grumps, may I suggest you take up a communication advisory career in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Grumps said: You may be right, but I don't think that his base really wants to deport them all. I think that his base wants to feel like their rights as citizens are more important than the rights of illegals. I think that his base feels that citizens being forced to pay for the care of illegals is wrong. I think his base thinks that immigration laws should either be enforced or changed. I think his base thinks that sanctuary cities are a form anarchy. Like I said. We're talking about people who are mostly productive - or working to become productive. You'll have to explain how these people are suboordinating your rights as a citizen. This is not a zero sum game. And if you want to bitch about how exactly your tax money is allocated, then take a number and get in line. I really don't see how any of that is relevent to not moving on DACA. Especially since Trump agreed to endorse whatever bi-partisan agreement was produced. Well, it was produced and handed to him. What happened? This is about hate mongering and whipping up the base. Someone convinced Trump this was the best course of action. (Undoubtedly it wass the last person to meet with him. ) God only knows why he agreed, but it has something to with his ego. He can't expand his base so those die-hard, xenophobic supporters are critical to his self-worth. He can't threaten that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, homersapien said: Like I said. We're talking about people who are mostly productive - or working to become productive. You'll have to explain how these people are suboordinating your rights as a citizen. This is not a zero sum game. And if you want to bitch about how exactly your tax money is allocated, then take a number and get in line. I really don't see how any of that is relevent to not moving on DACA. Especially since Trump agreed to endorse whatever bi-partisan agreement was produced. Well, it was produced and handed to him. What happened? This is about hate mongering and whipping up the base. Someone convinced Trump this was the best course of action. (Undoubtedly it wass the last person to meet with him. ) God only knows why he agreed, but it has something to with his ego. He can't expand his base so those die-hard, xenophobic supporters are critical to his self-worth. He can't threaten that. I did not mean to imply that many illegal immigrants are not productive. Do you agree or disagree with me that U.S. citizens are forced to pay for the care of illegal immigrants? I am sure you are right about all of the rest. I am all for coming up with an easier way for desirable illegal immigrants to get citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 hours ago, Grumps said: I did not mean to imply that many illegal immigrants are not productive. Do you agree or disagree with me that U.S. citizens are forced to pay for the care of illegal immigrants? I am sure you are right about all of the rest. I am all for coming up with an easier way for desirable illegal immigrants to get citizenship. First, to clarify, I was speaking specifically to the DACA immigrants. Not sure what you mean by "care" of illegal immigrants, but I am pretty certain that as a whole, illegal immigrants pay for themselves with the labor they contribute. I suspect that as a whole, they may be a positive contributor to the economy. I know there is an awful lot of agricultural interests who would argue that. But in case you think otherwise, I do not sanction a system based on an illegal activity. I would prefer to legalize their presence if we need them and ensure they pay all applicable taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumps 3,704 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 11 hours ago, homersapien said: First, to clarify, I was speaking specifically to the DACA immigrants. Not sure what you mean by "care" of illegal immigrants, but I am pretty certain that as a whole, illegal immigrants pay for themselves with the labor they contribute. I suspect that as a whole, they may be a positive contributor to the economy. I know there is an awful lot of agricultural interests who would argue that. But in case you think otherwise, I do not sanction a system based on an illegal activity. I would prefer to legalize their presence if we need them and ensure they pay all applicable taxes. Yay! It sounds like we mostly agree. By "care" I mean feed and clothe and house and educate. I am pretty sure that U.S. citizens are forced to pay taxes that are used to pay for the care of illegal immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,717 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Grumps said: Yay! It sounds like we mostly agree. By "care" I mean feed and clothe and house and educate. I am pretty sure that U.S. citizens are forced to pay taxes that are used to pay for the care of illegal immigrants. To answer your question....yes we do. In exchange we get cheap labor in the marketplace, which over time has "displaced" a lot of jobs citizens will no longer do...which is another thread entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, autigeremt said: To answer your question....yes we do. In exchange we get cheap labor in the marketplace, which over time has "displaced" a lot of jobs citizens will no longer do...which is another thread entirely. If citizens are not willing to do these jobs, then "displaced" is not the right word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,717 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 hours ago, homersapien said: If citizens are not willing to do these jobs, then "displaced" is not the right word. Hence the quotation marks...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 hours ago, autigeremt said: Hence the quotation marks...... Gotcha. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Brown 2,391 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Were they here illegally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,184 Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Wonder if ICE will ever have their "Are we the baddies?" moment. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a7e6fbbe4b08dfc93043436/amp?__twitter_impression=true Immigration and Customs Enforcement plans to deport an undocumented man from Mexico whose child is battling cancer. On Thursday, ICE denied an extension to remain in the U.S. for 30-year-old Jesus Berrones, who lives in Arizona with his pregnant wife and five children. The immigration agency ordered Berrones to appear on Monday to be deported, according to his lawyer Garrett Wilkes. Berrones has been living in the U.S. since he was 1½, when his parents brought him here in 1989, according to his wife, Sonia. In 2006, at age 19, Berrones was caught driving with a fake license and deported to Mexico. He then twice re-entered the country unlawfully to rejoin his family. In 2016, ICE granted Berrones a stay of removal based on his son’s illness. Even when it has grounds for deportation, the agency can use its discretion to grant stays and has commonly done so in the case of individuals caring for a sick child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 2:21 PM, Grumps said: This is what makes me so angry about our government. EVERYONE agrees that things like this should be avoided. Why can't we have bipartisan legislation to fix things like this? If BOTH sides were honest, then they would admit that they would like to fix situations like this. But the Dems would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of amnesty for everyone. Meanwhile, the Repubs would rather let people like him be deported than to forgo the possibility of a wall and deportation for everyone. Trump said he "had the meeting with Chuck and Nancy and his base went crazy". Trump clearly values the adoration of his base - even though they are a minority - over the interests of the country. Just what you would expect from a psychopathic narcissist. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/gop-sen-flake-guarded-about-reaching-immigration-deal/2018/02/08/9936ad84-0cee-11e8-998c-96deb18cca19_story.html?utm_term=.7325d4a32226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDavE 332 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:11 PM, AUDub said: You don't really know how our immigration laws work for people in his situation, do you? There is no easy path to citizenship for him since he came here illegally to begin with. He would have to leave the country and then apply for re-entry, and the real bitch is that there are no guarantees he would receive it, even given his circumstances, as he would have a black mark for entering illegally to begin with. It's a tough balance to reach, but this is one of those cases where some discretion should be applied and he should be allowed to stay. It's not doing anyone any good to deport this guy. No your absolutely right! I didn't help a young man and his mother who left El Salvador after his father was killed by rebels. I didn't drive them twice five hours one way to apply and then to take the oath to become citizens. I also didn't hire the young man and give him a job after he became a legal citizen. The kid now works for ESPN.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,453 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 1/17/2018 at 10:48 PM, Grumps said: I did not mean to imply that many illegal immigrants are not productive. Do you agree or disagree with me that U.S. citizens are forced to pay for the care of illegal immigrants? I am sure you are right about all of the rest. I am all for coming up with an easier way for desirable illegal immigrants to get citizenship. No, I don't agree. That statement is a gross over-generalization. Most immigrants - legal or otherwise - come here to work. They care for themselves. Sure, citizens are forced to pay for the ones who are criminals, just like we have to pay for our fellow citizens who are criminals. But I don't hear many arguments that illegal immigrants who are criminals should be allowed to stay. I certainly wouldn't argue for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 336 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 These type cases remind me of the mindless "Zero Tolerance" incidents we hear about in schools (only much worse). Everyone looking on knows that common sense should prevail and everything is not black and white but those in charge have chained themselves to the "This is the Law/These are the rules" and can't bring themselves (or won't bring themselves) to step out of line and do what is actually right. Trumps base who have no problem with these types of things more than likely have cussed (at the least) at the story of a boy eating his pop-tart into the shape of a gun and getting in trouble for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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