Who does this sound like?

[TexasTiger 13,053]

Right-wingers are the same all over the world.

Iranian President Wants to Purge Profs

 

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Tuesday for a purge of liberal and secular teachers from the country's universities, urging students to return to 1980s-style radicalism.

"Today, students should shout at the president and ask why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities," the official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a meeting with a group of students.

Ahmadinejad complained that reforms in the country's universities were difficult to accomplish and that the educational system had been affected by secularism for the last 150 years. But, he added: "Such a change has begun."

http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=ht...FD8JUMPGG0.html

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And yet it's liberals here in the US and the West in general who try to tell us that Islamo-fascism is too cruel and unfair a term to use when talking about.....Islamo fascists. Who do you think the Muslims hate more. Those who sound like them the most, or the Liberals ?

And oh the irony of it all.... the Libs continue to hate America/ Bush first, while the Islamo-fascists would come after the Libs themselves first ,if given half a chance.

[TexasTiger 13,053]

And yet it's liberals here in the US and the West in general who try to tell us that Islamo-fascism is too cruel and unfair a term to use when talking about.....Islamo fascists. Who do you think the Muslims hate more. Those who sound like them the most, or the Liberals ?

And oh the irony of it all.... the Libs continue to hate America/ Bush first, while the Islamo-fascists would come after the Libs themselves first ,if given half a chance.

Who says its cruel and unfair? It just isn't that useful. Especially when Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist. According to the Repugs, fascist are everyone but them. The irony is stunning. As I said, there is an amazing thread of consistency amongst the Right Wing anywhere you go.

[Tiger in Spain 0]

Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist

Link?

I believe that term has been slung around by the left quite a bit as well. Fascist, Nazi, etc etc etc. As I recall, YOU even referred to me and Captain Liger as fascists yourself.

Your attempt to paint Republicans as Ahmadinejad clones is really humorous. You really don't believe that, do you? Oxygen must not be too abundant up there on your high horse.

[DKW 86 7,451]

To Ahmadinejad, his reference to Liberal is probably far far right of everyone on this board. Afterall, he is of the 80s radicalism Muslims. He is not Liberal in any term. He thinks we on the right in America live in Babylon.

That was truly pathetic Tex. He is an Islamofascist. Your lame attempt to re-claim the term fascist after it has been used properly really shows that to Dems it is more important who owns a word than fighting against what it really means.

[AURaptor 1,128]

And yet it's liberals here in the US and the West in general who try to tell us that Islamo-fascism is too cruel and unfair a term to use when talking about.....Islamo fascists. Who do you think the Muslims hate more. Those who sound like them the most, or the Liberals ?

And oh the irony of it all.... the Libs continue to hate America/ Bush first, while the Islamo-fascists would come after the Libs themselves first ,if given half a chance.

Who says its cruel and unfair? It just isn't that useful. Especially when Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist. According to the Repugs, fascist are everyone but them. The irony is stunning. As I said, there is an amazing thread of consistency amongst the Right Wing anywhere you go.

Lib writers have said as much, from postings I've seen on other mb's. And how is it NOT useful ? I find honesty very useful, don't you? " Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist " . Rummy said that ? Where? Can you cite the quote? Funny you whine about Rumsfeld and then use the word 'Repugs' . ( Maybe the irony is lost on you ) And you might want to lay off the hyperbole. Doc says you've been overdoing it.

So, back up your claim, or retract your comment about Rumsfeld.

[TexasTiger 13,053]

And yet it's liberals here in the US and the West in general who try to tell us that Islamo-fascism is too cruel and unfair a term to use when talking about.....Islamo fascists. Who do you think the Muslims hate more. Those who sound like them the most, or the Liberals ?

And oh the irony of it all.... the Libs continue to hate America/ Bush first, while the Islamo-fascists would come after the Libs themselves first ,if given half a chance.

Who says its cruel and unfair? It just isn't that useful. Especially when Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist. According to the Repugs, fascist are everyone but them. The irony is stunning. As I said, there is an amazing thread of consistency amongst the Right Wing anywhere you go.

Lib writers have said as much, from postings I've seen on other mb's. And how is it NOT useful ? I find honesty very useful, don't you? " Rumsfeld calls anyone who criticizes his actions a fascist " . Rummy said that ? Where? Can you cite the quote? Funny you whine about Rumsfeld and then use the word 'Repugs' . ( Maybe the irony is lost on you ) And you might want to lay off the hyperbole. Doc says you've been overdoing it.

So, back up your claim, or retract your comment about Rumsfeld.

"Lib writers"...back that up. Where's the link?

[AURaptor 1,128]

"Lib writers"...back that up. Where's the link?

I stand corrected. Eric Margolis claims to be a conservative, but his logic is straight out of the Left wing. ( From the sounds of it, he's a Jew hating, Pat Buchanan type. ) Despite his father being a jew, and his mother a muslim. He sounds confused, regardless.

The Big Lie About 'Islamic Fascism'

By Eric Margolis

08/29/06 "Lew Rockwell" -- -- The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, "Islamo-Fascists" and "Islamic Fascists." They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists.

President George W. Bush made a point last week of using "Islamofacists" when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany.

The term "Islamofascist" is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbles, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World.

This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, "terrorism" – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands .

Islamo fascists don't HAVE any legitimate grievances, other than we aren't converted to Islam. They don't warrent any response to their 'demands', other than well placed Daisy Cutters and Cruise Missles.

So, where's your citation of Rumsfeld calling EVERYONE who disagrees w/ him a 'fascist '. ?

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We killed the same people in Iraq, even while stating we were spreading democracy. Democratic governments are secular. Iraq will be another dictatorship before November.

"Today, students should shout at the president and ask why liberal and secular university lecturers are present in the universities," the official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during a meeting with a group of students.

[TitanTiger 20,530]

I think part of the problem is that instead of one motivation or the other, it's both plus a couple more. Some of the higher ups have shrouded their hatred of the US in fundamentalist Islamic garb and think they are doing the will of Allah. But what gets the average Arab on the street to join their ranks does have to do with perceived injustices regarding our treatment of Israel vs Arabs, their destitute economic state and our support of sometimes brutal dictators over the last few decades because they were "friendly to the US." A lot of these young people aren't that religious and wouldn't join up with Al Qaida if the things I just listed weren't present, at least in their perceptions.

But charismatic power hungry charlatans come to them, rail against the injustices they face, empathize with their plight, dump money into their area to help them out, then intertwine fundamentalist Islamic fervor and nationalism into the mix, whipping them into a frenzy and point to us as the ultimate cause of the problem and our demise as the solution.

[Captain Liger 0]

Iraq will be another dictatorship before November.

I'll bet you the entire monetary value of my savings account that you're wrong. And I mean that in the most respectful, serious manner possible. How bout it?

[TexasTiger 13,053]

"Lib writers"...back that up. Where's the link?

I stand corrected. Eric Margolis claims to be a conservative, but his logic is straight out of the Left wing. ( From the sounds of it, he's a Jew hating, Pat Buchanan type. ) Despite his father being a jew, and his mother a muslim. He sounds confused, regardless.

The Big Lie About 'Islamic Fascism'

By Eric Margolis

08/29/06 "Lew Rockwell" -- -- The latest big lie unveiled by Washington’s neoconservatives are the poisonous terms, "Islamo-Fascists" and "Islamic Fascists." They are the new, hot buzzwords among America’s far right and Christian fundamentalists.

President George W. Bush made a point last week of using "Islamofacists" when recently speaking of Hezbullah and Hamas – both, by the way, democratically elected parties. A Canadian government minister from the Conservative Party compared Lebanon’s Hezbullah to Nazi Germany.

The term "Islamofascist" is utterly without meaning, but packed with emotional explosives. It is a propaganda creation worthy Dr. Goebbles, and the latest expression of the big lie technique being used by neocons in Washington’s propaganda war against its enemies in the Muslim World.

This ugly term was probably first coined in Israel – as was the other hugely successful propaganda term, "terrorism" – to dehumanize and demonize opponents and deny them any rational political motivation, hence removing any need to deal with their grievances and demands .

Islamo fascists don't HAVE any legitimate grievances, other than we aren't converted to Islam. They don't warrent any response to their 'demands', other than well placed Daisy Cutters and Cruise Missles.

So, where's your citation of Rumsfeld calling EVERYONE who disagrees w/ him a 'fascist '. ?

I stand corrected, too. He actually compared his critics to Nazi appeasers.

Rumsfeld: Bush critics similar to Nazi appeasers

By Julian E. Barnes

Los Angeles Times

SALT LAKE CITY — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared critics of the Bush administration to those who sought to appease the Nazis before World War II, warning Tuesday that the United States is confronting "a new type of fascism."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...rumsfeld30.html

Regarding the use of the term "Islamo-fascism", how do you define fascism, and what elements do you see in the radical Islamists?

[Tiger in Spain 0]

So, where's your citation of Rumsfeld calling EVERYONE who disagrees w/ him a 'fascist '. ?

I stand corrected, too. He actually compared his critics to Nazi appeasers.

Rumsfeld: Bush critics similar to Nazi appeasers

By Julian E. Barnes

Los Angeles Times

SALT LAKE CITY — Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared critics of the Bush administration to those who sought to appease the Nazis before World War II, warning Tuesday that the United States is confronting "a new type of fascism."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...rumsfeld30.html

Regarding the use of the term "Islamo-fascism", how do you define fascism, and what elements do you see in the radical Islamists?

Pretty big difference in one being a nazi appeaser and a fascist.

[DKW 86 7,451]

Chamberlain was a Nazi Appeaser, but he was as far from fascism as is allowed.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/fascist.html

Fascist: (from Encarta) dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude

1) that favors dictatorial government,

2) centralized control of private enterprise,

3) repression of all opposition, and

4) extreme nationalism

Being fascist is like being a highly aggressive socialist. You want control of all enterprises in govt hands. You also wish to inflict your views PROACTIVELY on others by allowing no oppositional view (Hello Joe Leiberman). It also has a strong extreme nationalism presence. (Hello NeoCons).

I know that definition will destroy the idea that American Conservatives are Fascists. We do not want govt control of anything other than our defense and a modicum of civil law guarantees. American Liberals will have to strain at gnats the rest of their lives because they really cant say with Intellectual Honesty that Conservatives are Fascists. The degree of dictatorial power would probably eliminate both Reps and Dems here. That cannot happen in America, truth be told, hysterical rantings aside.

Its a bad day in Whackadoo World.

However, that would definitely fit most Sharia Law Muslim countries.

There is a another component to Islamo-Fascists though. Being muslim is NOT enough for them either. They want you to be their self chosen brand of Islamo-Fascist. The Sunni Fascisti want all in the world to become Sunnis. The Shia Fascisti want everyone to become Shia. When it finally ges down to it. They will slaughter each other in the streets because they are both Fascisti, but are different Fascisti.

[AURaptor 1,128]

Regarding the use of the term "Islamo-fascism", how do you define fascism, and what elements do you see in the radical Islamists?

This has been addressed already, but since you asked, I'll give my 2 cents worth. Clearly, when discussing 'Islamo-fascism', we're not dealing w/ ONE nation as being the origins of this movement. It's religion based, so the qualities of strict fascism don't completely apply as they normally would. ( Which is why we describe it as ISLAMO or ISLAMIC - fascism ) Fascism from the basis of the Islamic religion.

Fascist: (from Encarta) dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude

1) that favors dictatorial government,

2) centralized control of private enterprise,

3) repression of all opposition, and

4) extreme nationalism

Islam certainly falls in line w/ the concept of a 'movement, idealogy or attitude '. So we're good there.

Dictatorial Gov't ? The Taliban , for one. Iran, for another.

Centralized control of private enterprise - Again, we saw exactly that from the Taliban, where many businesses were banned.

Repression of all opposition - Stadiums filled w/ men who are there to watch executsions, such as a woman who was raped get beheaded.....because she was raped.

Extreme nationalism - OK, this one is out the window. But replace Mohammad or Allah with the Fatherland, and you're good to go.