Alabama NCAA Death Penalty ?

[TigerHead 0]

Just a question . If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions, could they get the death penalty?

[Weagle74 0]

Just a question . If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions, could they get the death penalty?

Any team could. It just depends how bad the infractions are...

[jdub5793 0]

Just a question . If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions, could they get the death penalty?

Any team could. It just depends how bad the infractions are...

I think they mean in lght of their recent infractions and how they were so close the last time, would they receive it this time if something big were to be found. If that is the case, God, I hope so.

[mowegl 4]

Just a question . If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions, could they get the death penalty?

Any team could. It just depends how bad the infractions are...

I think they mean in lght of their recent infractions and how they were so close the last time, would they receive it this time if something big were to be found. If that is the case, God, I hope so.

I dont. I enjoy watching them suffer and get pummeled by Mississippi State.

[jdub5793 0]

Just a question . If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions, could they get the death penalty?

Any team could. It just depends how bad the infractions are...

I think they mean in lght of their recent infractions and how they were so close the last time, would they receive it this time if something big were to be found. If that is the case, God, I hope so.

I dont. I enjoy watching them suffer and get pummeled by Mississippi State.

good point, plus then all Bama fans would have to talk about is their history... oh yeah, too late there too.

[DKW 86 7,440]

I dont have a clue. It all depends on when these ALLEGED infractions took place. If they are between Saban being hired and Feb-1-2007, there could be real trouble. The NCAA could be very pissed about this Cottrell-Williams Lawsuit.

[autigr14 0]

Someone bring me up to speed. I don't pay much attention to the crapstone anymore. Their complete disregard for reality has long turned my head (and stomach). However, I am interested in seeing them go down the crapper. What lawsuit? and what might Saban have done to initiate these NCAA rumblings?

thanks

[BamaGrad03 0]

Since they are minor violations, there will be no penalty whatsoever.

[Weagle74 0]

Since they are minor violations, there will be no penalty whatsoever.

If Bama wasn't on probation at the time...

[AUesquire 1]

On another note, has anyone heard ANYTHING at all about the whole USC, Reggie Bush and the MTV episode of "Cribs" they did on his family thing? Was there ever a letter of inquiry, an e-mail, a phone call from the NCAA?

[BamaGrad03 0]

Since they are minor violations, there will be no penalty whatsoever.

If Bama wasn't on probation at the time...

Even if they were, nothing will come of Minor violations.

[quietfan 233]

I've heard one train of thought that says the NCAA will probably never go all the way to the death penalty again after the SMU case because they stand to lose too much revenue in these days of multimillion dollar TV/Bowl/BCS moneymaking. Similarly, I've heard some suggest money as the reason the NCAA has moved away from TV bans. (Surely if we lost a whole year of TV for one box of steaks in 1993, a $200,000 recruit from Memphis would have been reason enough to keep the Tide off the small screen.) But I wouldn't bet the life of my football program on such theories!

Has any school ever been found guilty of infractions (major or minor) while still on probation for earlier violations committed under the repeat offender status, i.e., 3rd infraction(s) while under probation for 2nd infractions that fell under the "repeat offender" window of 1st infractions? While there may not be a written "3 strikes and you're out" policy with the NCAA, how often can you slap them in the face and expect to survive?

On the other hand, based on the amount of time the NCAA has found itself in court from the last Bama problems, they have to know that imposing the death penalty would have them tied up in court with frivalous lawsuits by Bama faithful from now to doomsday! They could have Fox News footage of Paul Bryant Jr handing out $1000 bills in the locker room as Saban looks on and some Bama fans would still take them to court.

[To be fair however: Major or minor, I'm withholding judgement on the validity of the latest rumors until they're proven more than just Internet speculation and innuendo.]

[quietfan 233]

Since they are minor violations, there will be no penalty whatsoever.

If Bama wasn't on probation at the time...

Even if they were, nothing will come of Minor violations.

True, the current rumors may be only about minor violations, and of course, may be nothing but baseless rumor. But just to note: TigerHead's original hypothetical question was not about minor violations:

If Alabama gets caught for some major football recruiting infractions...

[GalensGhost 0]

On another note, has anyone heard ANYTHING at all about the whole USC, Reggie Bush and the MTV episode of "Cribs" they did on his family thing? Was there ever a letter of inquiry, an e-mail, a phone call from the NCAA?

From what I hear, the investigation is stymied because nobody will talk to the NCAA. Reggie refuses to meet with the investigators and is under no legal mandate to do so. Pete has nothing to say. The agent won't talk because he'll get a major payday from Bush and boosters to keep this from being publicized.

[BAMMERPERRY 0]

I've heard one train of thought that says the NCAA will probably never go all the way to the death penalty again after the SMU case because they stand to lose too much revenue in these days of multimillion dollar TV/Bowl/BCS moneymaking. Similarly, I've heard some suggest money as the reason the NCAA has moved away from TV bans. (Surely if we lost a whole year of TV for one box of steaks in 1993, a $200,000 recruit from Memphis would have been reason enough to keep the Tide off the small screen.) But I wouldn't bet the life of my football program on such theories!

Has any school ever been found guilty of infractions (major or minor) while still on probation for earlier violations committed under the repeat offender status, i.e., 3rd infraction(s) while under probation for 2nd infractions that fell under the "repeat offender" window of 1st infractions? While there may not be a written "3 strikes and you're out" policy with the NCAA, how often can you slap them in the face and expect to survive?

On the other hand, based on the amount of time the NCAA has found itself in court from the last Bama problems, they have to know that imposing the death penalty would have them tied up in court with frivalous lawsuits by Bama faithful from now to doomsday! They could have Fox News footage of Paul Bryant Jr handing out $1000 bills in the locker room as Saban looks on and some Bama fans would still take them to court.

[To be fair however: Major or minor, I'm withholding judgement on the validity of the latest rumors until they're proven more than just Internet speculation and innuendo.]

STEVE KIRK

Bowden talk

leaves much

to consider

Terry Bowden's house in Auburn was about 5 minutes from the football complex. It was a modest, beautiful two-story home with a huge back deck and outdoor speakers that always gave you the soothing sounds of James Taylor whenever company was over.

During summer visits that took place in that relaxed setting, most often between Auburn beat writers and Bowden, the Tigers' former coach would talk about many topics. Off the record, of course.

The subjects I remember best concerned Rodney Garner, an assistant coach whom he fired; Wayne Hall, another assistant whom he fired; Jackie Sherrill, Mississippi State's coach who didn't care for him too much; and, of course, his father, legendary Florida State coach Bobby Bowden. I'm sure there were plenty of others.

The point is, Bowden loved to talk. And his behind-the-scenes stories were interesting. So those of us who covered Auburn during that time loved to listen. During my years on the Auburn beat  at THE DAILY in 1993-95 and in Birmingham from 1996-98  I visited Bowden's home most every August I can remember. The food was good, and the conversation was lively.

"They can run me out of town eventually, if they want to," I remember Bowden saying, "but I'm not going to cheat. I'm just not going to do it."

Thus, I raised an eyebrow this week when the Opelika-Auburn News printed a two-year-old interview done with Bowden at his home concerning allegations of systematic cheating at Auburn before Bowden's tenure there and the gradual dissolution of it under his watch.

It should be no secret to anyone that Bowden inherited a corrupt program. The NCAA had nailed the Tigers for paying mediocre defensive back Eric Ramsey, with such lurid tales of secret, gas-station meetings with paper bags and cash that 60 Minutes found it worthy. That's how our state was adorned with the timeless phrase, "Keep it down home, Cuz," which was uttered to Ramsey by then-AU assistant Larry Blakeney, who currently is Troy State's head coach.

At least one other Auburn player, Vincent Harris, told another newspaper that other Tiger players were being paid, too, during head coach Pat Dye's era in charge. So, let's state for the record that we know cheating was going on.

The new can of worms is this: Bowden speaks of an elaborate setup in which up to 50 Auburn boosters donated $5,000 each to pay players, that a former assistant (gee, any guesses?) kept a black book with who paid what to whom, and that players were given $12,000 to $15,000 to sign.

But suppose his story is true. Suppose Bowden did "honor" these payments to Auburn players he inherited as he "phased out" the cheating. Let's just, for the sake of argument, star tailback Stephen Davis received a salary from Auburn before and during Bowden's watch. Isn't Bowden just as guilty for not reporting such violations and honoring them while he "phased" them out?

The NCAA likely won't come after Auburn for this. (They're too busy trying to fry Cliff Ellis and his basketball program, anyway.) The four-year statute of limitations is past, and unless the NCAA can prove an ongoing pattern of booster cheating (involving well-known trustees, Bowden says) then there's not much that the ol' governing body can do.

We're left to simply debate: Was he telling the truth two years ago?

Auburn's actions lead one to believe that he was. After all, why did it keep Hall on its payroll several years after his firing?

(Hush money? You decide.)

And by paying off Bowden's mortgage on his beautiful home after his firing, it stipulated that he must not say anything derogatory about Auburn.

(Hush money? You decide.)

But besides bringing back old memories and old issues, perhaps the best question is why the Opelika-Auburn News chose to print a sensational, off-the-record conversation two years after the fact.

Is it relevant? You decide."

[WAR-MATT 2]

I've heard one train of thought that says the NCAA will probably never go all the way to the death penalty again after the SMU case because they stand to lose too much revenue in these days of multimillion dollar TV/Bowl/BCS moneymaking. Similarly, I've heard some suggest money as the reason the NCAA has moved away from TV bans. (Surely if we lost a whole year of TV for one box of steaks in 1993, a $200,000 recruit from Memphis would have been reason enough to keep the Tide off the small screen.) But I wouldn't bet the life of my football program on such theories!

Has any school ever been found guilty of infractions (major or minor) while still on probation for earlier violations committed under the repeat offender status, i.e., 3rd infraction(s) while under probation for 2nd infractions that fell under the "repeat offender" window of 1st infractions? While there may not be a written "3 strikes and you're out" policy with the NCAA, how often can you slap them in the face and expect to survive?

On the other hand, based on the amount of time the NCAA has found itself in court from the last Bama problems, they have to know that imposing the death penalty would have them tied up in court with frivalous lawsuits by Bama faithful from now to doomsday! They could have Fox News footage of Paul Bryant Jr handing out $1000 bills in the locker room as Saban looks on and some Bama fans would still take them to court.

[To be fair however: Major or minor, I'm withholding judgement on the validity of the latest rumors until they're proven more than just Internet speculation and innuendo.]

STEVE KIRK

Bowden talk

leaves much

to consider

Terry Bowden's house in Auburn was about 5 minutes from the football complex. It was a modest, beautiful two-story home with a huge back deck and outdoor speakers that always gave you the soothing sounds of James Taylor whenever company was over.

During summer visits that took place in that relaxed setting, most often between Auburn beat writers and Bowden, the Tigers' former coach would talk about many topics. Off the record, of course.

The subjects I remember best concerned Rodney Garner, an assistant coach whom he fired; Wayne Hall, another assistant whom he fired; Jackie Sherrill, Mississippi State's coach who didn't care for him too much; and, of course, his father, legendary Florida State coach Bobby Bowden. I'm sure there were plenty of others.

The point is, Bowden loved to talk. And his behind-the-scenes stories were interesting. So those of us who covered Auburn during that time loved to listen. During my years on the Auburn beat — at THE DAILY in 1993-95 and in Birmingham from 1996-98 — I visited Bowden's home most every August I can remember. The food was good, and the conversation was lively.

"They can run me out of town eventually, if they want to," I remember Bowden saying, "but I'm not going to cheat. I'm just not going to do it."

Thus, I raised an eyebrow this week when the Opelika-Auburn News printed a two-year-old interview done with Bowden at his home concerning allegations of systematic cheating at Auburn before Bowden's tenure there and the gradual dissolution of it under his watch.

It should be no secret to anyone that Bowden inherited a corrupt program. The NCAA had nailed the Tigers for paying mediocre defensive back Eric Ramsey, with such lurid tales of secret, gas-station meetings with paper bags and cash that 60 Minutes found it worthy. That's how our state was adorned with the timeless phrase, "Keep it down home, Cuz," which was uttered to Ramsey by then-AU assistant Larry Blakeney, who currently is Troy State's head coach.

At least one other Auburn player, Vincent Harris, told another newspaper that other Tiger players were being paid, too, during head coach Pat Dye's era in charge. So, let's state for the record that we know cheating was going on.

The new can of worms is this: Bowden speaks of an elaborate setup in which up to 50 Auburn boosters donated $5,000 each to pay players, that a former assistant (gee, any guesses?) kept a black book with who paid what to whom, and that players were given $12,000 to $15,000 to sign.

But suppose his story is true. Suppose Bowden did "honor" these payments to Auburn players he inherited as he "phased out" the cheating. Let's just, for the sake of argument, star tailback Stephen Davis received a salary from Auburn before and during Bowden's watch. Isn't Bowden just as guilty for not reporting such violations and honoring them while he "phased" them out?

The NCAA likely won't come after Auburn for this. (They're too busy trying to fry Cliff Ellis and his basketball program, anyway.) The four-year statute of limitations is past, and unless the NCAA can prove an ongoing pattern of booster cheating (involving well-known trustees, Bowden says) then there's not much that the ol' governing body can do.

We're left to simply debate: Was he telling the truth two years ago?

Auburn's actions lead one to believe that he was. After all, why did it keep Hall on its payroll several years after his firing?

(Hush money? You decide.)

And by paying off Bowden's mortgage on his beautiful home after his firing, it stipulated that he must not say anything derogatory about Auburn.

(Hush money? You decide.)

But besides bringing back old memories and old issues, perhaps the best question is why the Opelika-Auburn News chose to print a sensational, off-the-record conversation two years after the fact.

Is it relevant? You decide."

What's worse butt plug, having a disgruntled former employee saying this or someone that still works for YOUR university?

[BAMMERPERRY 0]

"What's worse butt plug, having a disgruntled former employee saying this or someone that still works for YOUR university?"

What did she say?

[WAR-MATT 2]

"What's worse butt plug, having a disgruntled former employee saying this or someone that still works for YOUR university?"

What did she say?

Providing transportation for a certain WR from the Mobile area to come to T-Town for a basketball game. But just keep laughing BP, it'll all go away just like the Means, Price, Fran and numerous other internet rumors did. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

[BAMMERPERRY 0]

"What's worse butt plug, having a disgruntled former employee saying this or someone that still works for YOUR university?"

What did she say?

Providing transportation for a certain WR from the Mobile area to come to T-Town for a basketball game. But just keep laughing BP, it'll all go away just like the Means, Price, Fran and numerous other internet rumors did. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

And you KNOW this, how?

[WAR-MATT 2]

"What's worse butt plug, having a disgruntled former employee saying this or someone that still works for YOUR university?"

What did she say?

Providing transportation for a certain WR from the Mobile area to come to T-Town for a basketball game. But just keep laughing BP, it'll all go away just like the Means, Price, Fran and numerous other internet rumors did. Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

And you KNOW this, how?

Just sit back and enjoy the show BP.

[BAMMERPERRY 0]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/s...ns/030919.shtml

[JohnDeere 0]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/s...ns/030919.shtml

Wow. FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2003.

[saniflush 0]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/s...ns/030919.shtml

Wow. FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2003.

He is just trying to keep tradishun alive.

You know....Live in the past.

[CircleDrill 178]

I wonder if Saban trying to get the bammers' expectations in check had anything to do with this story getting out so fast and so far?

[TigerOne 1,152]

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/s...ns/030919.shtml

ahh how quickly the arrogant forget, from Wikipedia

Since the SMU case, the closest that the NCAA has come to imposing the "death penalty" against a football program was against the University of Alabama in 2002. The most severe violation involved boosters paying players to come to Alabama. Infractions committee chairman Thomas Yeager said that the committee seriously considered giving Alabama the "death penalty." He called the violations "some of the worst, most serious that have ever occurred" in NCAA history and claimed that the Crimson Tide were "absolutely staring down the barrel of a gun." [1] It finally settled on five years' probation, a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 21 scholarships over three years.