Arizona 2020 Vote Audit Finds Potentially Election-Shifting Numbers Of Illegal Ballots

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https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/27/arizona-2020-vote-audit-finds-potentially-election-shifting-numbers-of-illegal-ballots/

So after the Fraudit in AZ, they find....EXACTLY what everyone said they would find. Some small amount of POTENTIALLY, MAYBE SORT OF, POSSIBLY, COULD BE, (ADD YOUR OWN BS words of choice here) election shifting votes blah blah blah. They did not find ANYTHING worthy of the time, money, and credibility blown on this recount. Again, for the record, No recount has ever said that even one state had enough typical irregularities to shift the outcome. Just like in Gore 2000 and trump 2020, the votes simply were not there. 

Arizona 2020 Vote Audit Finds Potentially Election-Shifting Numbers Of Illegal Ballots

While the reports made several significant findings supporting former President Trump’s complaints about the 2020 election, the corporate media ignored those aspects of the audit.

 

By Margot Cleveland

SEPTEMBER 27, 2021

 

On Friday, the Arizona State Senate released the final reports on the results of the Maricopa County Forensic Election Audit. While the reports made several significant findings supporting former President Trump’s complaints about the 2020 election, the corporate media ignored those aspects of the audit to focus instead only on the results of the hand recount.

As broadly reported, the audit established “there were no substantial differences between the hand count of the ballots provided and the official canvass results for the County.” Maricopa County, which represents Arizona’s most populous county thanks to its county seat of Phoenix, had provided Biden a 45,000-vote advantage in the state, propelling Biden to a victory by 10,457 votes. So the media presented the recount as confirming Biden’s victory in the state.

Left unmentioned, however, were the numerous findings of problems with the election and, most significantly, evidence indicating tens of thousands of ballots were illegally cast or counted. A report entitled “Compliance with Election Laws and Procedures,” issued by Senate Audit Liaison Ken Bennett, highlighted several issues, of which two were particularly significant because of the number of votes involved.

First, Bennett excerpted the Arizona statutory provisions governing early ballots. Those provisions require early ballots to be accompanied by a signed affidavit in which the voter declares he is registered in the appropriate county and has not already voted. The statute further mandates that a voter “make and sign the affidavit,” and directs the early election board to check the voter’s affidavit.

Significantly, “if the affidavit is insufficient, the vote shall not be allowed.” The secretary of state’s Election Procedures Manual reinforces this point, stating: “If the early ballot affidavit is not signed, the County Recorder shall not count the ballot.”

In his report, Bennett noted that “while the Audit scope of work did not include comparing signatures with voter registration records for each voter, it did identify a number of missing signatures on ballot envelop affidavits, which to the extent the ballots in such envelopes were tallied, would violate the above statutes and procedures.”

Although Bennett did not elaborate on the issues related to affidavit signatures or the numbers of affected ballots, in a 99-page report, Massachusetts Institute of Technology engineer Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai detailed numerous anomalies.

First, Ayyadurai analyzed the early voting ballot return envelopes, on which voters were required to sign an affidavit within a signature block. That review revealed more than 17,000 duplicate images of the return envelopes. When the duplicates were eliminated from the review, Ayyadurai’s company, EchoMail, concluded that Maricopa County had recorded more than 6,545 early voting return envelopes than EchoMail determined existed. EchoMail also concluded that another approximately 500 of the envelopes’ affidavits were left blank.

Ayyadurai also highlighted several implausible statistics, such as that while there was a 52.6 percent increase from 2016 to 2020 in the number of early voting ballots, Maricopa County reported a decrease in signature mismatches of 59.7 percent. “This inverse relationship requires explanation,” the report noted, and then recommended a full audit of the signatures.

Bennett’s report on election law compliance highlighted several additional issues, but of particular note, in light of the audit report, was his reference to Arizona’s statutory requirements for individuals to be considered eligible voters, as delineated in Articles 1, 1.1, and 2 of the Arizona election code.

“The Audit identified numerous questions regarding possible ineligible voters,” Bennett noted, while adding that because “these determinations were made from comparisons between the County’s final voted information and private data sources,” the cooperation of Maricopa County and further investigation would be necessary to “determine whether ineligible persons actually were allowed to vote in the 2020 election.”

The referenced articles of the election code discuss voter registration requirements and the requirement for individuals to be registered to vote at their address of residence, although individuals moving within 29 days of the election remain properly registered to vote in the county in which they previously resided. However, students, members of the military, and others temporarily living at another address remain properly registered at their permanent home address.

Also of significance is the Arizona secretary of state’s Election Procedures Manual, which according to the audit provides that “ballot-by-mail must be mailed to voters by first-class, nonforwardable mail.”

These statutory provisions and procedures prove significant because the audit revealed that 15,035 mail-in votes in Maricopa County were from voters who had moved prior to the registration deadline, another 6,591 mail-in-votes came from voters who had moved out of Arizona prior to the registration deadline, and 1,718 mail-in votes came from voters who moved within Arizona but out of Maricopa prior to the registration deadline.

One of three scenarios seems possible here: First, the mail-in ballot was delivered to the old address and then provided to the named voter, who had only temporarily relocated. Such votes would be legal and entirely proper.

Second, the mail-in ballot was delivered to the old address and then provided to the named voter, who had permanently moved, but failed to timely update his registration record yet signed an affidavit attesting to a false address of residence. Such votes would be illegal.

Or third, the mail-in ballot was delivered to the old address, and then someone other than the named voter cast the vote. Such votes would be both illegal and fraudulent.

Neither Maricopa County nor the state of Arizona knows how many of these 23,000-plus votes fall within each of these three scenarios. And that’s a problem.

As I wrote when similar problems, albeit with more conclusive evidence, were unearthed in Georgia, “Elections are too tight and the populace too divided for ‘close enough for government work’ to cut it anymore. The American voting system must be reformed to ensure security, transparency, replicability, and election officials’ uniform compliance with state election law.”

Sixteen years ago, both Democrats and Republicans would have agreed on these goals, as the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform’s report “Building Confidence in U.S. Elections” confirms. That commission, co-chaired by Democrat Jimmy Carter and Republican James Baker III, spoke of “the administration of elections as a continuing challenge, which requires the highest priority of our citizens and our government.”

Unfortunately, rather than acknowledge the problems the Maricopa County audit revealed and rise to the challenge of ensuring they are not repeated, while also investigating areas of potential fraud and illegal voting, Democrats and some Republicans pretend the hand recount’s confirmation of the official vote tally ends the matter.

The corrupt press likewise pushes this narrative: The audit confirms Trump lost, and that is all there is to the matter.

But this isn’t about Trump, just as the 2005 report on building confidence in American elections wasn’t about Al Gore. This is about election integrity and our democracy because, as the commission wrote not even 20 years ago:

The vigor of American democracy rests on the vote of each citizen. Only when citizens can freely and privately exercise their right to vote and have their vote recorded correctly can they hold their leaders accountable. Democracy is endangered when people believe that their votes do not matter or are not counted correctly.

The Arizona audit ended nothing including, sadly, the view held by half of our country that their votes do not matter and are not counted correctly—and that many politicians and members of the press don’t care.

Edited September 27, 2021 by DKW 86

[CoffeeTiger 5,102]

Typical trash analysis from the Federalist I see. 

 

Had to look up this  "Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai", and of course he's just another far right conspiracy loony toon with no credibility whatsoever. Dude's just a failed Republican politician that made up crazy "voter fraud" claims regarding his own senate election loss last year, and of course also believes Donald Trump lost due to fraud too. He's also active in the covid 19 conspiracy community. Dude claimed he invented email in college in the last 1970's and then sued news organizations who proved that he didn't. 

 

And the Republican grift just keeps on rolling along. 

 

 

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This paragraph means that I will ignore all the other bull**** contained herein.

As I wrote when similar problems, albeit with more conclusive evidence, were unearthed in Georgia, “Elections are too tight and the populace too divided for ‘close enough for government work’ to cut it anymore. The American voting system must be reformed to ensure security, transparency, replicability, and election officials’ uniform compliance with state election law.”

I know for a damn fact that there was NO evidence of any sort of election fraud in Georgia. NONE.  What really pisses me off is that these people think they have the right to question voters.  We have a secret ballot for a reason.  Respect it.  Just as vital to our democracy as the constitution itself is the tradition in this country of how to respectfully abide by the results of elections.  When you lose, dust yourself off and work on your message.  Don't try to sew unwarranted seeds of mistrust in the system for personal gain.  It is pathetic.

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59 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

This paragraph means that I will ignore all the other bull**** contained herein.

As I wrote when similar problems, albeit with more conclusive evidence, were unearthed in Georgia, “Elections are too tight and the populace too divided for ‘close enough for government work’ to cut it anymore. The American voting system must be reformed to ensure security, transparency, replicability, and election officials’ uniform compliance with state election law.”

I know for a damn fact that there was NO evidence of any sort of election fraud in Georgia. NONE.  What really pisses me off is that these people think they have the right to question voters.  We have a secret ballot for a reason.  Respect it.  Just as vital to our democracy as the constitution itself is the tradition in this country of how to respectfully abide by the results of elections.  When you lose, dust yourself off and work on your message.  Don't try to sew unwarranted seeds of mistrust in the system for personal gain.  It is pathetic.

Good advice for Trump…and Hillary.

[DKW 86 7,419]

For me, the gist of the article is that they found essentially nothing, just as every sane person predicted.

The author is trying BIGLY to not be seen as tucking his tail and running away. They found nothing that trump and others said. NOTHING. PillowMan  is now a national laughing stock even with his "trump is back by August" BS. Now, the Q-Anon people have to explain why nothing Q said came true. Why the "Stolen Election" Narrative, was looked at by Republicans in GA and AZ and nothing was found. How all those dramatic stories from FB and other social media just died on the ash heap of reality. 

I have hope that at some point the people reading this stuff wake up and realize that trump and the right wing media machine are just masters of a business model that uses cognitive bias and perception validation to lucratively exploit well intentioned hard working people too busy with their careers and kids to examine reality and make real changes to their views.

Edited September 28, 2021 by DKW 86

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

7 hours ago, AU9377 said:

This paragraph means that I will ignore all the other bull**** contained herein.

As I wrote when similar problems, albeit with more conclusive evidence, were unearthed in Georgia, “Elections are too tight and the populace too divided for ‘close enough for government work’ to cut it anymore. The American voting system must be reformed to ensure security, transparency, replicability, and election officials’ uniform compliance with state election law.”

I know for a damn fact that there was NO evidence of any sort of election fraud in Georgia. NONE.  What really pisses me off is that these people think they have the right to question voters.  We have a secret ballot for a reason.  Respect it.  Just as vital to our democracy as the constitution itself is the tradition in this country of how to respectfully abide by the results of elections.  When you lose, dust yourself off and work on your message.  Don't try to sew unwarranted seeds of mistrust in the system for personal gain.  It is pathetic.

You mean like when the Democrats advanced a narrative that they knew was false for 3 years of Trump's presidency regarding Russia?

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4 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

You mean like when the Democrats advanced a narrative that they knew was false for 3 years of Trump's presidency regarding Russia?

No.  Nothing like that investigation.  It is also nothing like Trump's attempt to get a foreign nation to smear a political rival by bribing them.

This is about our system of elections.  Making fake accusations harms everyone and only benefits the one seeking power.

[CoffeeTiger 5,102]

5 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

You mean like when the Democrats advanced a narrative that they knew was false for 3 years of Trump's presidency regarding Russia?

You mean the "Russia Hoax" that discovered Russia DID try to influence the election in support of Trump and that led to numerous Trump and Russian associates being arrested and tried for a variety of crimes? That one?

You are 100% correct when you say they never showed or proved Trump directly worked with Russia or Putin to influence the election, but they did find a lot of smoke and a lot of people associated with trump and Russia who were lying and doing illegal activity.  

Not anything like these "election audits" that can'f find anything or anyone that's done anything wrong. They can only wave their hands around randomly saying "All these ballots "Could" have been casts illegally of fraudulently, but we can't find anything to support this. 

 

Edited September 28, 2021 by CoffeeTiger

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

25 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

You mean the "Russia Hoax" that discovered Russia DID try to influence the election in support of Trump and that led to numerous Trump and Russian associates being arrested and tried for a variety of crimes? That one?

You are 100% correct when you say they never showed or proved Trump directly worked with Russia or Putin to influence the election, but they did find a lot of smoke and a lot of people associated with trump and Russia who were lying and doing illegal activity.  

Not anything like these "election audits" that can'f find anything or anyone that's done anything wrong. They can only wave their hands around randomly saying "All these ballots "Could" have been casts illegally of fraudulently, but we can't find anything to support this. 

 

You're right, the audits aren't turning anything up.  But something did turn up regarding the Russian Hoax.  When John Brennen's notes were declassified it was proven that the Clinton campaign colluded to falsely accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians to steal the election.  And despite everyone from the CIA to Obama being aware of it, the narrative continued for years into Trump's presidency.  Don't act like that didn't affect Trump's presidency and his ability to win re-election.

As for the "Russian Interference," that was found, if you don't think stuff like that happens from the Russians and probably the Chinese and maybe the North Koreans and God knows who else every single election, I don't know what to tell you.  Not that it's the point.  The point is that Democrats colluded to knowingly further a lie about the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

But, I know.  When a Democrat does it, That's Different©.

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8 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

You're right, the audits aren't turning anything up.  But something did turn up regarding the Russian Hoax.  When John Brennen's notes were declassified it was proven that the Clinton campaign colluded to falsely accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians to steal the election.  And despite everyone from the CIA to Obama being aware of it, the narrative continued for years into Trump's presidency.  Don't act like that didn't affect Trump's presidency and his ability to win re-election.

As for the "Russian Interference," that was found, if you don't think stuff like that happens from the Russians and probably the Chinese and maybe the North Koreans and God knows who else every single election, I don't know what to tell you.  Not that it's the point.  The point is that Democrats colluded to knowingly further a lie about the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

But, I know.  When a Democrat does it, That's Different©.

With a str8 face, you are claiming that the Clintons and others challenged the legitimacy of the 2016 election in a manner similar to or more extensive than we have witnessed from the Trump collective?  Really? Is this what they are claiming on OAN or something?

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On 9/27/2021 at 11:26 PM, AU9377 said:

This paragraph means that I will ignore all the other bull**** contained herein.

As I wrote when similar problems, albeit with more conclusive evidence, were unearthed in Georgia, “Elections are too tight and the populace too divided for ‘close enough for government work’ to cut it anymore. The American voting system must be reformed to ensure security, transparency, replicability, and election officials’ uniform compliance with state election law.”

I know for a damn fact that there was NO evidence of any sort of election fraud in Georgia. NONE.  What really pisses me off is that these people think they have the right to question voters.  We have a secret ballot for a reason.  Respect it.  Just as vital to our democracy as the constitution itself is the tradition in this country of how to respectfully abide by the results of elections.  When you lose, dust yourself off and work on your message.  Don't try to sew unwarranted seeds of mistrust in the system for personal gain.  It is pathetic.

There's likely to be some in the future though.

Republicans have just legislated the possibility of political parties to control elections instead of non-partisan professionals.

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

22 hours ago, AU9377 said:

With a str8 face, you are claiming that the Clintons and others challenged the legitimacy of the 2016 election in a manner similar to or more extensive than we have witnessed from the Trump collective?  Really? Is this what they are claiming on OAN or something?

You tell me...
 

 

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

22 hours ago, AU9377 said:

With a str8 face, you are claiming that the Clintons and others challenged the legitimacy of the 2016 election in a manner similar to or more extensive than we have witnessed from the Trump collective?  Really? Is this what they are claiming on OAN or something?

 

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

22 hours ago, AU9377 said:

With a str8 face, you are claiming that the Clintons and others challenged the legitimacy of the 2016 election in a manner similar to or more extensive than we have witnessed from the Trump collective?  Really? Is this what they are claiming on OAN or something?

 

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

22 hours ago, AU9377 said:

With a str8 face, you are claiming that the Clintons and others challenged the legitimacy of the 2016 election in a manner similar to or more extensive than we have witnessed from the Trump collective?  Really? Is this what they are claiming on OAN or something?

 

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 338]

On 9/28/2021 at 11:26 AM, CoffeeTiger said:

You mean the "Russia Hoax" that discovered Russia DID try to influence the election in support of Trump and that led to numerous Trump and Russian associates being arrested and tried for a variety of crimes? That one?

You are 100% correct when you say they never showed or proved Trump directly worked with Russia or Putin to influence the election, but they did find a lot of smoke and a lot of people associated with trump and Russia who were lying and doing illegal activity.  

Not anything like these "election audits" that can'f find anything or anyone that's done anything wrong. They can only wave their hands around randomly saying "All these ballots "Could" have been casts illegally of fraudulently, but we can't find anything to support this. 

 

Serious question.  If a 30 million dollar investigation was conducted on associates of any politician at the federal level you could name that ignored the requirements of actually needing probable cause, how many of them would come up clean?

 

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Hillary is Hillary... but the truth is that she isn't some evil force trying to destroy America.  She is a former 1st lady, U.S. Senator, Secretary of State and Presidential candidate.  History will actually remember her fondly because history doesn't get bogged down in the silly parts of politics. 

Trump praised Hillary for years, going so far as to claim that she should run for President.  I am actually surprised that she didn't sling a lot more mud than she did, given that Trump would do the most childish things ever seen to get under her skin.

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17 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Hillary is Hillary... but the truth is that she isn't some evil force trying to destroy America.  She is a former 1st lady, U.S. Senator, Secretary of State and Presidential candidate.  History will actually remember her fondly because history doesn't get bogged down in the silly parts of politics. 

Trump praised Hillary for years, going so far as to claim that she should run for President.  I am actually surprised that she didn't sling a lot more mud than she did, given that Trump would do the most childish things ever seen to get under her skin.

I never said she was an evil force trying to destroy America.  Good grief.  These hyperbolic straw men again.

You attempted to deny that she has done exactly what you stared off accusing Trump of doing (which he has...both of them have), which is to publicly undermine the legitimacy of the process, you did so using an appeal to ridicule, and I posted videos of her doing exactly what you by inference claimed she didn't do.  That first video was from 2019.  Three years in and she was STILL claiming the election was stolen.  Not interfered with.  "Stolen."

And sure, history will have positive things to say about Clinton.  Because history majors write history books.  History majors are liberal arts majors.  Liberal arts majors are something like 91% self-identified liberal.

That's about as meaningful a prediction as predicting that Nick Saban will be declared the best college football coach ever by the uat fanbase.  Don't rip your pants on that one, Nostradamus.  🙂

With all of the scandals that have turned up in the wake of Hillary's run she really is either the victim of a "vast, right wing conspiracy," or she is a profoundly corrupt individual.  Given that it is a fact that she sold government influence for donations while SOS on at least one occasion (Rajiv Fernando), and given the fact that she went from being broke after the Clintons left the White House in 2001 to being worth $40 million in 15 years without starting a business or selling a product or service, what does Occam's Razor tell you is the most likely of those two possibilities? 

If being the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy pays that well, sign me up.

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1 hour ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

I never said she was an evil force trying to destroy America.  Good grief.  These hyperbolic straw men again.

You attempted to deny that she has done exactly what you stared off accusing Trump of doing (which he has...both of them have), which is to publicly undermine the legitimacy of the process, you did so using an appeal to ridicule, and I posted videos of her doing exactly what you by inference claimed she didn't do.  That first video was from 2019.  Three years in and she was STILL claiming the election was stolen.  Not interfered with.  "Stolen."

And sure, history will have positive things to say about Clinton.  Because history majors write history books.  History majors are liberal arts majors.  Liberal arts majors are something like 91% self-identified liberal.

That's about as meaningful a prediction as predicting that Nick Saban will be declared the best college football coach ever by the uat fanbase.  Don't rip your pants on that one, Nostradamus.  🙂

With all of the scandals that have turned up in the wake of Hillary's run she really is either the victim of a "vast, right wing conspiracy," or she is a profoundly corrupt individual.  Given that it is a fact that she sold government influence for donations while SOS on at least one occasion (Rajiv Fernando), and given the fact that she went from being broke after the Clintons left the White House in 2001 to being worth $40 million in 15 years without starting a business or selling a product or service, what does Occam's Razor tell you is the most likely of those two possibilities? 

If being the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy pays that well, sign me up.

You are trying to comnpare two things that are not comparable.  Did Hillary raise money and push state legislatures to audit election results independently ater recounts and audits?  No.  Did Hillary claim that the machines used to tally votes were hacked and used to purposefully miscount the votes? No.  There has never been something so damning as what we saw after the 2020 election.

Dominion voting systems is in the process of litigating defamation suits that they will win against people inside the former President's inner circle. Fox Entertainment will likely settle for a figure that will be in excess of $100 million. I can't pretend that Hillary or the Democrats have ever done anything close to that because they haven't

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5 hours ago, AU9377 said:

You are trying to comnpare two things that are not comparable.  Did Hillary raise money and push state legislatures to audit election results independently ater recounts and audits?  No.  Did Hillary claim that the machines used to tally votes were hacked and used to purposefully miscount the votes? No.  There has never been something so damning as what we saw after the 2020 election.

Dominion voting systems is in the process of litigating defamation suits that they will win against people inside the former President's inner circle. Fox Entertainment will likely settle for a figure that will be in excess of $100 million. I can't pretend that Hillary or the Democrats have ever done anything close to that because they haven't

My point of comparison is what you said, and according to the criteria you started out posting they are both guilty of undermining public trust in the process.  And Clinton didn't do those things, but then again, Trump didn't pay for a fake dossier.  And the DNC did file a lawsuit against the Trump campaign (as well as others) for "stealing the election."  So they did different stuff, sure, but it amounts to the same thing.

I'm definitely not going to argue those things with you, though, because it's been so long since I have come across a Democrat voter who will admit ANYTHING bad about a Democrat I can't even remember when the last good faith conversation I had was about something like that.  To the point that I post the copyright sign beside the words That's Different© when expressing the Democrat battle cry.  

I can be honest.  Watch:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by Trump than the Democrats, he's obviously pathologically narcissistic as well as being belligerent and a bully and those psychological issues ended up causing him to go off the rails regarding the lost 2020 election.  There seems to be no truth to the accusations he's made as no evidence has yet been found for the allegations made for election fraud.  His fragile ego is still damaging our country and polluting public discourse 10 months after Biden has taken office.

Now you try.  Try reposting this:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by the Democrats, it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt individual—possibly one of the most corrupt individuals to ever serve in high office in the US—who almost certainly got very wealthy by selling political influence, and if I had done what she did with State Department emails I would be in federal prison right now.  

I can almost guarantee you that you can't do it.  No Democratic voter can these days.  I started noticing this around 2010 or so.  For some reason y'all have lost any ability to honestly assess anyone with a D after their name or admit any shortcomings.  It's ALWAYS terrible when a Republican does it, and That's Different© when a Democrat does it.

Every.

Time.

 

[homersapien 11,367]

7 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

My point of comparison is what you said, and according to the criteria you started out posting they are both guilty of undermining public trust in the process.  And Clinton didn't do those things, but then again, Trump didn't pay for a fake dossier.  And the DNC did file a lawsuit against the Trump campaign (as well as others) for "stealing the election."  So they did different stuff, sure, but it amounts to the same thing.

I'm definitely not going to argue those things with you, though, because it's been so long since I have come across a Democrat voter who will admit ANYTHING bad about a Democrat I can't even remember when the last good faith conversation I had was about something like that.  To the point that I post the copyright sign beside the words That's Different© when expressing the Democrat battle cry.  

I can be honest.  Watch:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by Trump than the Democrats, he's obviously pathologically narcissistic as well as being belligerent and a bully and those psychological issues ended up causing him to go off the rails regarding the lost 2020 election.  There seems to be no truth to the accusations he's made as no evidence has yet been found for the allegations made for election fraud.  His fragile ego is still damaging our country and polluting public discourse 10 months after Biden has taken office.

Now you try.  Try reposting this:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by the Democrats, it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt individual—possibly one of the most corrupt individuals to ever serve in high office in the US—who almost certainly got very wealthy by selling political influence, and if I had done what she did with State Department emails I would be in federal prison right now.  

I can almost guarantee you that you can't do it.  No Democratic voter can these days.  I started noticing this around 2010 or so.  For some reason y'all have lost any ability to honestly assess anyone with a D after their name or admit any shortcomings.  It's ALWAYS terrible when a Republican does it, and That's Different© when a Democrat does it.

Every.

Time.

 

So please tell us, do you hope Trump runs again and will you vote for him if he does?

Edited September 30, 2021 by homersapien

[AUFAN78 3,894]

Love how Brand, a liberal, calls out the democrat lies and how their faithful will believe anything from the media. Never seeking truth, but relying on their media masters. LOL

And then you read this thread and it's so freaking apparent. Not that it wasn't already just more truth confirmation of what many have known for at least 4 years. Can't make this stuff up. It's sad.

 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/30/russell_brand_shocked_to_learn_trump_was_right_about_hillary_and_russia.html

[AUFAN78 3,894]

Not to pile on, but what the heck? It's Thursday.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-is-americas-new-religion

[DKW 86 7,419]

On 9/30/2021 at 6:13 AM, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

My point of comparison is what you said, and according to the criteria you started out posting they are both guilty of undermining public trust in the process.  And Clinton didn't do those things, but then again, Trump didn't pay for a fake dossier.  And the DNC did file a lawsuit against the Trump campaign (as well as others) for "stealing the election."  So they did different stuff, sure, but it amounts to the same thing.

I'm definitely not going to argue those things with you, though, because it's been so long since I have come across a Democrat voter who will admit ANYTHING bad about a Democrat I can't even remember when the last good faith conversation I had was about something like that.  To the point that I post the copyright sign beside the words That's Different© when expressing the Democrat battle cry.  

I can be honest.  Watch:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by Trump than the Democrats, he's obviously pathologically narcissistic as well as being belligerent and a bully and those psychological issues ended up causing him to go off the rails regarding the lost 2020 election.  There seems to be no truth to the accusations he's made as no evidence has yet been found for the allegations made for election fraud.  His fragile ego is still damaging our country and polluting public discourse 10 months after Biden has taken office.

Now you try.  Try reposting this:

Even though I generally agree more with the policy agenda put forth by the Democrats, it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt individual—possibly one of the most corrupt individuals to ever serve in high office in the US—who almost certainly got very wealthy by selling political influence, and if I had done what she did with State Department emails I would be in federal prison right now.  

I can almost guarantee you that you can't do it.  No Democratic voter can these days.  I started noticing this around 2010 or so.  For some reason y'all have lost any ability to honestly assess anyone with a D after their name or admit any shortcomings.  It's ALWAYS terrible when a Republican does it, and That's Different© when a Democrat does it.

Every.

Time.

Where have you been? BTW, did you see the thumbsdown on the post? Just SSDD on this forum. 

I had a talk with Mz Rabid Democrat Part-Time Art Teacher a while back. She was screaming about how the AL Rep Party was the worst thing to happen to the children of Alabama. I asked why. She was out-of-her-mind about wanting to give vouchers to...Poor Alabama Black Children to get them out of their perennially failing schools. blah blah blah. You know, as the Democrats often do,. they cant stand for a Black Family to be able to get ahead without them getting credit for it. I asked her if she thought it would be any better under the ADP? She said "Of course! We care about all children!" Then I asked her THE QUESTION: "Then maam, why did the State of Alabama rank 49-50th for the 130 years the ADP was in charge of education in the State of Alabama?" 

(Swear this part is true.) She came completely apart. I think she may actually have burst a vein. She was screaming at me about that Democrats cared about kids, and that the ARP did not care about anyone. I asked her, "Then why are the Predominantly Black, Black Belt Counties getting the focus in the voucher program?" being discussed at that time. Kid you not she exploded even more and then expressed the idea that she hoped my son who was in a city school in Decatur would die soon. This is not BS. 

I calmly screen shot her rant, on FB, and sent it to the Colbert County Board of Education, and she was suspended from her part-time Art Teacher job about 2 days later. Her contract was not renewed the next semester. (No clue what's she doing now.) I was never told the reason why, but i bet my email was at least part of the issue. She never apologized to me, nor my wife. And we blocked her on FB.

To your overall point, IMHO, those who dont have Christ just have other religions. To way too many here in America, the overall effect is that their political affiliations become their religion. And that is how we have Red MAGA and Blue MAGA.

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16 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

Love how Brand, a liberal, calls out the democrat lies and how their faithful will believe anything from the media. Never seeking truth, but relying on their media masters. LOL

And then you read this thread and it's so freaking apparent. Not that it wasn't already just more truth confirmation of what many have known for at least 4 years. Can't make this stuff up. It's sad.

 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/30/russell_brand_shocked_to_learn_trump_was_right_about_hillary_and_russia.html

The funny part to me is anyone thinking that Russian involvement in the 2016 election was the overriding issue during the Trump 4 years.  It was not.  A much larger, yet ignored by some, issue was Trump's attempted coercion of the Ukranian government to harm his political rival.  That is the reason he was impeached. There was more testimony showing exactly what he had done, most all of it coming from members of his own administration, than any real jury would have needed to convict.  Politics protected him and then allowed him to seek petty revenge on the brave Americans that stood up to him.

As for Russia, Putin hated Hillary Clinton.  That is a known fact.  What he has on Trump we may never know, but anyone can see how cozy Trump is with dictators, especially Putin.