Systems 177 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Legitimate question - not trying to start anything: Does Auburn have enough ethnic-minority candidates (legitimate candidates) in its top 5 coaching search: Kiffin, Dabo, Freeze, Dykes, Rhule, Fickle, ... maybe Sanders and likely not Williams long term. I'm not saying we have to go out and hire Sylvester Croom (a great man), but with our new administration looking 1 shade lighter now than in early August, could we be doing more? Will we? Thanks & WDE Edited November 18, 2022 by Systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdgeneration 6,469 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, Systems said: Legitimate question - not trying to start anything: Does Auburn have enough ethnic-minority candidates (legitimate candidates) in its top 5 coaching search: Kiffin, Dabo, Freeze, Dykes, Rhule, Fickle, ... maybe Sanders and likely not Williams long term. I'm not saying we have to go out and hire Sylvester Croom (a great man), but with our new administration looking 1 shade lighter now than in early August, could we be doing more? Will we? Thanks & WDE I think that’s a legitimate question. I feel like we have a good number of minority position coaches on the field, which is great. 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,616 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 We don’t know for sure who has or will be interviewed for the position but I’m sure Coach Williams will get a shot. If you look around the landscape there’s not a lot of proven minority coaches yet but there’s certainly some up and comers who should/will get opportunities after the season is over across college football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, autigeremt said: We don’t know for sure who has or will be interviewed for the position but I’m sure Coach Williams will get a shot. If you look around the landscape there’s not a lot of proven minority coaches yet but there’s certainly some up and comers who should/will get opportunities after the season is over across college football. Hard to be proven if you don't get a shot in the first place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,616 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Hard to be proven if you don't get a shot in the first place. Don’t disagree just stating the reality of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Really good read on the topic from Chris Low before this season began. But my short answer is yes, we need some kind of Rooney Rule agreed upon in the conference (NCAA can't mandate it). Lots of great minority coaches aren't even being looked at for coordinators, much less HC jobs and that's a damn shame. When roughly 50% of the on-field assistants are Black, it stands to reason that there needs to be better representation at the HC levels. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33977392/why-there-no-black-college-football-head-coaches-sec 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,297 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just my opinion- the Rooney Rule is great in theory but in practice it's not good enough. Getting an interview because it's the rule is not the same as getting an interview because you have a shot at the job. I don't have a solution. Mandating just 1 interview for a minority coach isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,297 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, WDE_OxPx_2010 said: Just my opinion- the Rooney Rule is great in theory but in practice it's not good enough. Getting an interview because it's the rule is not the same as getting an interview because you have a shot at the job. I don't have a solution. Mandating just 1 interview for a minority coach isn't good enough. Also- the NFL Flores lawsuit punched all kinds of holes in the Rooney interview practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat 569 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Really good read on the topic from Chris Low before this season began. But my short answer is yes, we need some kind of Rooney Rule agreed upon in the conference (NCAA can't mandate it). Lots of great minority coaches aren't even being looked at for coordinators, much less HC jobs and that's a damn shame. When roughly 50% of the on-field assistants are Black, it stands to reason that there needs to be better representation at the HC levels. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33977392/why-there-no-black-college-football-head-coaches-sec Excellent observation. There is definitely a glass ceiling for minority assistants….see Joe Whitt…Sr and Jr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Systems said: Legitimate question - not trying to start anything: Does Auburn have enough ethnic-minority candidates (legitimate candidates) in its top 5 coaching search: Kiffin, Dabo, Freeze, Dykes, Rhule, Fickle, ... maybe Sanders and likely not Williams long term. I'm not saying we have to go out and hire Sylvester Croom (a great man), but with our new administration looking 1 shade lighter now than in early August, could we be doing more? Will we? Thanks & WDE How is a head coach-candidate's race relevant? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Hard to be proven if you don't get a shot in the first place. Yep. I think we need more whites on the basketball team. Because hard to be proven if you don't get a shot. (Hope you're well, Brad!) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Yep. I think we need more whites on the basketball team. Because hard to be proven if you don't get a shot. (Hope you're well, Brad!) Well that's an awfully bad comparison. (Hope you're well too!) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Awwww booo! This was in the donor forum and now I have to deal with the ****-show that is the political forum because it got moved?! DAMNIT TO HELL 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Well that's an awfully bad comparison. (Hope you're well too!) Well I at least hope you caught onto the pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systems 177 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: How is a head coach-candidate's race relevant? Constitutionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systems 177 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 6 hours ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said: I don't have a solution. Mandating just 1 interview for a minority coach isn't good enough. It's a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systems 177 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 Maybe, one day, opportunity disparity will be more freely discussed and perhaps less politicized. This is a great opportunity for Auburn to demonstrate inclusiveness and other great benefits of the spirit of the NFL Rooney Rule. We could be missing out on some great candidates and certainly missing out on a highly-encouraging advertising campaign (raise money). We would much rather have ESPN do an article on us for trying to hire ethnic diversity than ignoring the concept. When we talk about rising-up and not being little brother, this is one of those times ot level-up. #WDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Well that's an awfully bad comparison. (Hope you're well too!) My first thought as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,256 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Systems said: Constitutionally How so? (I am progressive btw, I just don't see how the constitution applies here. The 14th restricts government actions; however, it does not mandate the government into action as far as I remember. Other counsel feel free to chime in.) Edited November 18, 2022 by Didba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Didba said: My first thought as well. 👿 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 12 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: How is a head coach-candidate's race relevant? Exactly. Hire the best quality and best fit you can, despite race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Systems said: Constitutionally How’s that? The Constitution is supposed to be “ color-blind”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Eagle 5,136 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 22 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Hard to be proven if you don't get a shot in the first place. I would answer that by saying I agree, but the current state of Auburn's football program doesn't beg for a proving-ground hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systems 177 Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Didba said: How so? (I am progressive btw, I just don't see how the constitution applies here. The 14th restricts government actions; however, it does not mandate the government into action as far as I remember. Other counsel feel free to chime in.) @Didba@NolaAuTigerWhat do you call 1000 attorneys at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Swamp Eagle said: I would answer that by saying I agree, but the current state of Auburn's football program doesn't beg for a proving-ground hire. Its a much more systematic problem than just Auburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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