DKW 86 7,451 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Holding any classified material is wrong, period. Trump held onto docs he had no right to. He should be arrested and dealt with. He does not own them. Biden has more and more documents everyday it seems. He has been at this for 50 Years. He has nowhere to hide in this. He too has no right to the documents and has zero excuse for having them in his possession. Anyone with classified docs should be going to jail, no exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,061 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, DKW 86 said: Holding any classified material is wrong, period. Trump held onto docs he had no right to. He should be arrested and dealt with. He does not own them. Biden has more and more documents everyday it seems. He has been at this for 50 Years. He has nowhere to hide in this. He too has no right to the documents and has zero excuse for having them in his possession. Anyone with classified docs should be going to jail, no exceptions. No exceptions? None? How will the democrats survive? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,658 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Holding any classified material is wrong, period. Trump held onto docs he had no right to. He should be arrested and dealt with. He does not own them. Biden has more and more documents everyday it seems. He has been at this for 50 Years. He has nowhere to hide in this. He too has no right to the documents and has zero excuse for having them in his possession. Anyone with classified docs should be going to jail, no exceptions. Not sure about the going to going to jail part...but maybe. At the very least all individuals found to not be handling protected documents correctly shall have their security clearance and the ability to see protected documents removed forever. At this point I believe a review of the entire classified document methods should be evaluated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,658 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, jj3jordan said: No exceptions? None? How will the democrats survive? Wow...politcal right out of the gate. You just don't get it. Edited January 22, 2023 by creed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,012 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, creed said: Not sure about the going to going to jail part...but maybe. At the very least all individuals found to not be handling protected documents correctly shall have their security clearance and the ability to see protected documents removed forever. At this point I believe a review of the entire classified document methods should be evaluated. Ok, having their security clearance and ability to see protected documents removed forever would render Trump unavailable for duty as a President. Alright by me, but it would throw the sitting President out of office. Are you willing to push this punishment? The FBI found even more docs at Biden’s house, some dating back to when he was in the Senate, after Biden’s lawyer assured us they had all been found. This is getting deep. Hey, but Biden is being transparent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,061 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, creed said: Wow...politcal right of the gate. You just don't get it. Good sentence creed. I get it. Doesn’t look like you do though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,012 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The Democratic talking point of *he takes it seriously* is wearing a little thin at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,658 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said: Ok, having their security clearance and ability to see protected documents removed forever would render Trump unavailable for duty as a President. Alright by me, but it would throw the sitting President out of office. Are you willing to push this punishment? The FBI found even more docs at Biden’s house, some dating back to when he was in the Senate, after Biden’s lawyer assured us they had all been found. This is getting deep. Hey, but Biden is being transparent. Yes. Biden would basically be fired. It’s a hard pill but WE need to take OUR government back and raise OUR expectations of OUR employees. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,658 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, creed said: Yes. Biden would basically be fired. It’s a hard pill but WE need to take OUR government back and raise OUR expectations of OUR employees. Let me add to this and invite each voter on this forum to sign up for their representative’s newsletter. Do this even if you didn’t vote for them or if they’re from a different party. Write to them and let them know your expectations. Do it nice but be firm. Remember they work for YOU. If they don’t reply send an email to their congressional leader. Pass this along and make this a grassroots initiative. It may not solve all problems but hopefully it will identify those individuals who are not working for US. Edited January 22, 2023 by creed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 561 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Key Dem. Senator Durbin gets it. Biden's chances of a 2nd term diminishes by the day thank goodness. Biden's 'stature' diminished by classified documents scandal, Sen. Durbin says | Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,451 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Son of A Tiger said: POTD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,051 Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 On 1/22/2023 at 9:17 AM, DKW 86 said: Holding any classified material is wrong, period. Trump held onto docs he had no right to. He should be arrested and dealt with. He does not own them. Biden has more and more documents everyday it seems. He has been at this for 50 Years. He has nowhere to hide in this. He too has no right to the documents and has zero excuse for having them in his possession. Anyone with classified docs should be going to jail, no exceptions. Looks like every former President, Vice President etc will be going to jail. Pence has now turned over classified documents found in his home. That is what I have always expected. The classification of documents isn't a perfect science. Most classified documents don't actually contain top secret information of some kind. It isn't surprising at all that some of these documents make it into boxes of files belonging to the elected official. Trump's situation is different in that he refused to cooperate for a year with the Archives and refused to return documents in his possession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,461 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 56 minutes ago, AU9377 said: Looks like every former President, Vice President etc will be going to jail. Pence has now turned over classified documents found in his home. That is what I have always expected. The classification of documents isn't a perfect science. Most classified documents don't actually contain top secret information of some kind. It isn't surprising at all that some of these documents make it into boxes of files belonging to the elected official. Trump's situation is different in that he refused to cooperate for a year with the Archives and refused to return documents in his possession. I tried to make this point earlier about "over classifying" documents. One article I read mentioned a classified document that was actually just a wedding invitation to an ambassador that was classified because it was in the diplomatic pouch. Additionally, simply possessing a classified document without one's knowledge or intent is not a crime as long as one notifies the Archives after it becomes known. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,051 Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 How long does anyone believe it would take Trump to de-classify any and all documents in question if he was currently the President? It would have happened immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,461 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) On 1/24/2023 at 4:55 PM, AU9377 said: How long does anyone believe it would take Trump to de-classify any and all documents in question if he was currently the President? It would have happened immediately. Actually, there's a process for that. It's not just an instant result from a presidential declaration. https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ Edited January 26, 2023 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,451 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 8 hours ago, homersapien said: Actually, there's a process for that. It's not just an instant result from a presidential declaration. https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ So you are saying that every classified document in private hands, Pence and Biden, etc, has been thru the entire declassification process and is righteous? Wanna bet the farm on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,051 Posted January 26, 2023 Author Share Posted January 26, 2023 15 hours ago, homersapien said: Actually, there's a process for that. It's not just an instant result from a presidential declaration. https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ Yes, but he has the power to declassify, which would result in the DOJ not having a case with legs solid enough to prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,461 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AU9377 said: Yes, but he has the power to declassify, which would result in the DOJ not having a case with legs solid enough to prosecute. No, he had the power to declassify. And, if he had done so prior to taking the documents, maybe there wouldn't be a case. But he didn't. And just saying he did after the fact doesn't make it so. This will come out in the investigation. (P.S.: the DOJ is not - and won't - prosecute Trump for simply taking the documents. They will prosecute him for refusing - and resisting - to return them voluntarily.) Biden and Pence will not be prosecuted since they notified the government and volunteered to return the documents in their possession. In fact, Garland made a mistake in appointing a special prosecutor in Biden's case. Biden broke no law. He did it in order to appear "fair" (i.e.: for political reasons.) Now he's faced with the decision to appoint a special prosecutor in Pence's case, which based on what we know, is not appropriate either. Edited January 26, 2023 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 16,931 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 4:24 PM, AUFAN78 said: I hated the political raid. I can see this happening in China or Russia, but certainly not in this country. We should all be ashamed of our government in this instance. what else can they do with a fake affidavit and someone refuses to send all the docs as requested? this is what happens when idiots like trump are elected. trump lied dude. this is the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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