More Arrests in T-Town?

[quietfan 233]

If it's good enough for Coach Bryant, then it's good enough for me.

-- Dixie H

This must be a misquote, or straight out fabrication, because everyone knows Bama fans don't obsess about Bear Bryant.

[Now when is that d#%^ "sarcasm" smilie going to make it to the regular clickable list?]

[BamaGrad03 0]

Underage meaning not 21. Roy Upchurch is 21, the girl he was trying to get in could have been 20. What's the problem?

Technically, it's against the law. He should have known this and not acted like a savage when confronted by the hired goon at the door.

My quote was in response to tiger88 suggesting that these guys were involved in some sort of pedophelia...or that they couldn't get dates their own age. But the "underage" in this case was not under legal age of consent, but rather underage to get in a 21 and over bar.

David !($@%&* Caruso? David %(@!#%$& Caruso? Are you !*%*#@( kidding me?

Tony Soprano. James Gandolfini. Tony Soprano. James Gandolfini

Have you lost your mind? It's Tony Soprano. David Caruso should hope to ever, ever be half the actor James Gandolfini was as Tony Soprano. He should hope to ever be on a show with 1/10th the gravitas of The Sopranos.

Told ya'll

[AUChizad 0]

Bet they don't miss a game, that's the two weakest positions for lil Nicky.

I guess we will find out how tough a disciplinarian $aban is.

Wasn't that one of the reasons uat would be back this year? I mean, if they had just been disciplined last year they would have won.

Exaaaaactly.

RWS -

Here's the mentality of some of the folks in the Tusc News forum (typical Bama fans)

Maybe they didn't deserve to be peppersprayed and the TPD is being cautious about charging them because they don't want to face an excessive brutality suit.

I'm absolutely on the player's side on this one. If they were in a fight with peaceful bystanders, they'd be facing felony assault charges. If they'd injured police officers while resisting arrest, they'd be facing felony charges. So what if they damaged a police car. As long as they pay for the damage and didn't injure anyone, what's the big deal? I've got to assume that there was a good reason for them to be fighting.

I don't think they should be punished at all by the football program. Whatever happens to them in court should be punishment enough. If they satisfy the judge, why would they need more punishment than that?

-- broctune

let's just throw out the criminal justice system and allow you to be the judge, jury and executioner because you "witnessed the whole thing." I've been around the block a time or two and have seen how inaccurate "eyewitness reports" can be.

if i have a legal right to be in a public place, i would resist being told to leave. just because a guy wears a uniform and a badge doesn't always make him (or her) right.

what kind of fan are you to come on here and blast the issue to the world? of course it's eventually going to come out. but, why do you want to be the one to do it?

-- tiderise

JPW or Joe Willie, the snake, Palmer, Linnie, Boyd, Simone... etc. All got second chances and moved on.

-- DrKnow

Both of these guys are expendable...If Saban gets rid of them then we win two ways...1) Saban sets a good discipline tone 2) We are getting stronger interest by top recruits by the day...We would have two more scholarships to go after some really strong talent

-- Mahout

As long as Upchurch and Deaderick didn't break training rules, then they shouldn't be kicked off of the team..

If Coach Bryant didn't dismiss Ken Simon from the team for firing a shotgun at the two university law school students because it wasn't against team rules, then there is certainly no reason for Saban to dismiss Upchurch or Deaderick.. If it's good enough for Coach Bryant, then it's good enough for me.

-- Dixie H

I'm embarassed for you.

Resident bammers? Thoughts?

Are these, yet again, just like the other hundreds of embarassing quotes Galen and others have produced from your fanbase anomalies?

[WAR-MATT 2]

Resident bammers? Thoughts?

Are these, yet again, just like the other hundreds of embarassing quotes Galen and others have produced from your fanbase anomalies?

Maybe Chadd Scott was on to something.

[BamaGrad03 0]

Well those quotes were cherry picked. Here's some others:

No, they are not kids Papa. They just think

they are "special" because they're football

players.

I hope Saban quickly gets to the bottom of this, determines the real facts, and then acts swiftly. Absolutely no waiting around. If they have done anything in their individual behavior that reflects poorly on the team, get them off the tema and out of Tuscaloosa as quickly as possible - never to be regretted and never to be forgiven. If they did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong, tell us quickly that they have done nothing, clear them for now and forever more (unless another incident occurs) and get them back to work on the schooling and football as quickly as possible. This doesn't need to linger. And if they are guilty they need to be the examples that other players will remember forever as they decide how they will conduct themselves.

kick these two trouble makers off the team

DON'T NEED THIS!!!! Alabama football is

better than this. These guys need to transfer

to Miami Thug U or U CHEA T where they will

be appreciated and honored.

Saban's in charge though and I'll go along

with his dicision. He knows better than

anyone else what to do.

I would have to agree. To me, when you make a decision to fight with the cops you have serious issues. At the least, I believe they should be suspended for a year but then again a 22 year old doing this kind of thing and the other still resisting after being placed in the squad car?? Having a scholorship to play football is a privilege not a right.

The arrests should show a lot about Saban and his differences with Mike Shula. I expect to see strong discipline.

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

That said, the mere appearance of stupidity should be punished. As Alabama football players these young men must be held to a higher standard—they shouldn't be involved in situations that could result in police being called. Doing something like that is worthy of a strong punishment.

First of all, for those suggesting that this should be a "courts only" situation, and that CNS should just let it go at that, you're crazy.

That's a Mike Shula redux. Playing college football, particularly at UA, is a special privilege, as is being the head coach here.

Secondly, I will guarantee you that you won't hear either player say he deserves an ice cream cone after this incident, unless he wants to find himself on the way back from whence he came.

CNS will most assuredly administer the appropriate discipline here, whether that be simple suspensions and extra conditioning or whatever, or a wholesale dismissal. Personally, I am not the least bit concerned with how he will handle it, because of his leadership and track record. Saban did not earn his reputation

for nothing. He will do what is best for the program, with the players' best interests as secondary considerations. If you cut corners and

compromise your standards, you get Alabama circa Mike Shula and Bill Curry. CNS will not allow this to happen. He will nip this thing in the bud, and if it means that a couple of underachieving benchwarmers have to go, so be it. An example WILL be made, regardless.

Agreed. I'm hoping they survive the onslaught and come back better people. My gut tells me that at least one of them will not be back.

Bottom line, this is embarrassing. It embarrasses the school, the team, the coaching staff, and the players parents. If we start letting $h1t like this go, we'll end up like the "U." It was stupid and irresponsible. And regardless if they had the right to be on that sidewalk or not, they should have left when told to. They are part of something much bigger than themselves and that wasn't the time to stage a civil rights protest. Their actions show selfishness and a complete disrespect for authority which shows a lack in discipline. Saban needs to set the tone for this team. Mike Shula's reign as the "turn the other cheek and smile for the camera" coach is still haunting us. Saban must send a clear message that those days are done.

See you guys always want to JUST put out the stuff that works for your own perspective. Then assume that is the norm. However, it is NOT the norm. The "these guys should be punished" threads outnumber Galen's examples 3 to 1. So to say his examples represent the "typical Bama fan" is only an exercise in ignorance. You WANT that to be the typical fan...but it is not.

[WAR-MATT 2]

What's your take on this BG?

[BamaGrad03 0]

What's your take on this BG?

Well, I'm going to wait until the dust settles. But taking everything at face value...it seems like these guys were acting like buttholes outside of a club. It looks like they were acting in poor character. And I think they should be punished.

If Brandon did, infact, resist arrest...he should be punished severely. Like a 6+ game suspension type punishment. But that's without me knowing the facts.

[Guest Tigrinum Major]

I think they should be drawn and quartered.

Or maybe they could do them like the English did Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart. They would pretty much rock.

[AUesquire 1]

I think they should be drawn and quartered.

Or maybe they could do them like the English did Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart. They would pretty much rock.

You're a sick man, Major.

I like it.

[AUChizad 0]

Well those quotes were cherry picked. Here's some others:

No, they are not kids Papa. They just think

they are "special" because they're football

players.

I hope Saban quickly gets to the bottom of this, determines the real facts, and then acts swiftly. Absolutely no waiting around. If they have done anything in their individual behavior that reflects poorly on the team, get them off the tema and out of Tuscaloosa as quickly as possible - never to be regretted and never to be forgiven. If they did nothing, absolutely nothing wrong, tell us quickly that they have done nothing, clear them for now and forever more (unless another incident occurs) and get them back to work on the schooling and football as quickly as possible. This doesn't need to linger. And if they are guilty they need to be the examples that other players will remember forever as they decide how they will conduct themselves.

kick these two trouble makers off the team

DON'T NEED THIS!!!! Alabama football is

better than this. These guys need to transfer

to Miami Thug U or U CHEA T where they will

be appreciated and honored.

Saban's in charge though and I'll go along

with his dicision. He knows better than

anyone else what to do.

I would have to agree. To me, when you make a decision to fight with the cops you have serious issues. At the least, I believe they should be suspended for a year but then again a 22 year old doing this kind of thing and the other still resisting after being placed in the squad car?? Having a scholorship to play football is a privilege not a right.

The arrests should show a lot about Saban and his differences with Mike Shula. I expect to see strong discipline.

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

That said, the mere appearance of stupidity should be punished. As Alabama football players these young men must be held to a higher standard—they shouldn't be involved in situations that could result in police being called. Doing something like that is worthy of a strong punishment.

First of all, for those suggesting that this should be a "courts only" situation, and that CNS should just let it go at that, you're crazy.

That's a Mike Shula redux. Playing college football, particularly at UA, is a special privilege, as is being the head coach here.

Secondly, I will guarantee you that you won't hear either player say he deserves an ice cream cone after this incident, unless he wants to find himself on the way back from whence he came.

CNS will most assuredly administer the appropriate discipline here, whether that be simple suspensions and extra conditioning or whatever, or a wholesale dismissal. Personally, I am not the least bit concerned with how he will handle it, because of his leadership and track record. Saban did not earn his reputation

for nothing. He will do what is best for the program, with the players' best interests as secondary considerations. If you cut corners and

compromise your standards, you get Alabama circa Mike Shula and Bill Curry. CNS will not allow this to happen. He will nip this thing in the bud, and if it means that a couple of underachieving benchwarmers have to go, so be it. An example WILL be made, regardless.

Agreed. I'm hoping they survive the onslaught and come back better people. My gut tells me that at least one of them will not be back.

Bottom line, this is embarrassing. It embarrasses the school, the team, the coaching staff, and the players parents. If we start letting $h1t like this go, we'll end up like the "U." It was stupid and irresponsible. And regardless if they had the right to be on that sidewalk or not, they should have left when told to. They are part of something much bigger than themselves and that wasn't the time to stage a civil rights protest. Their actions show selfishness and a complete disrespect for authority which shows a lack in discipline. Saban needs to set the tone for this team. Mike Shula's reign as the "turn the other cheek and smile for the camera" coach is still haunting us. Saban must send a clear message that those days are done.

See you guys always want to JUST put out the stuff that works for your own perspective. Then assume that is the norm. However, it is NOT the norm. The "these guys should be punished" threads outnumber Galen's examples 3 to 1. So to say his examples represent the "typical Bama fan" is only an exercise in ignorance. You WANT that to be the typical fan...but it is not.

Even your cherry picked quotes have lines like:

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

And the rest of them are essentially saying

"Saban works in mysterious ways. Whatever will be will be. Only Saban can judge a man. Who are we as mere mortals to question the judgment of Saban Almighty? If SaChrist decides a guy who busts out the back window of a cop car attempting to escape deserves only an ice cream cone as punishment, then it is written as such and all blasphemers shall be persecuted for their deviant sins."

[BamaGrad03 0]

Even your cherry picked quotes have lines like:

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

And the rest of them are essentially saying

"Saban works in mysterious ways. Whatever will be will be. Only Saban can judge a man. Who are we as mere mortals to question the judgment of Saban Almighty? If SaChrist decides a guy who busts out the back window of a cop car attempting to escape deserves only an ice cream cone as punishment, then it is written as such and all blasphemers shall be persecuted for their deviant sins."

So you are saying that we should punish people BEFORE proven guilty? I don't understand what was wrong with what you pulled out of my example quotes.

[saniflush 0]

Even your cherry picked quotes have lines like:

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

And the rest of them are essentially saying

"Saban works in mysterious ways. Whatever will be will be. Only Saban can judge a man. Who are we as mere mortals to question the judgment of Saban Almighty? If SaChrist decides a guy who busts out the back window of a cop car attempting to escape deserves only an ice cream cone as punishment, then it is written as such and all blasphemers shall be persecuted for their deviant sins."

So you are saying that we should punish people BEFORE proven guilty? I don't understand what was wrong with what you pulled out of my example quotes.

BG is right. Isn't having to attend UAT punishment enough?

[AUloggerhead 2,252]

... If Brandon did, infact, resist arrest...he should be punished severely. Like a 6+ game suspension type punishment. But that's without me knowing the facts.

Has a 6+ game suspension ever happened at uat? Somehow, I just don't see $aban breaking tradishun there. He doesn't roll that deep.

[AUChizad 0]

Even your cherry picked quotes have lines like:

However, the case seems very minor based on the report. And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty. Before we punish, let's at least make sure they are guilty.

And the rest of them are essentially saying

"Saban works in mysterious ways. Whatever will be will be. Only Saban can judge a man. Who are we as mere mortals to question the judgment of Saban Almighty? If SaChrist decides a guy who busts out the back window of a cop car attempting to escape deserves only an ice cream cone as punishment, then it is written as such and all blasphemers shall be persecuted for their deviant sins."

So you are saying that we should punish people BEFORE proven guilty? I don't understand what was wrong with what you pulled out of my example quotes.

Well, the main thing I was pointing out was

However, the case seems very minor based on the report.

Minor? Very minor?

Trying to get underage girls in to a bar. Minor.

Add on top getting into a fist fight with the bouncers of said bar who refused to allow the illegal action. No longer all that minor.

Add to that resisting arrest when the police show up resulting in an all out brawl with 5 uat players and the police. Major.

Headbutting through the back window of a patrol car and attempting to escape? Holy PacMan Jones that's some serious charges.

But since you have to bring up that whole innocent until proven guilty thing, give me a break.

Yes, you should verify that the rumor is true before dishing out punishments, but...

And just because someone was arrested doesn't mean they are guilty.

Come on. I'd say getting into a brawl with the police and headbutting your way through the back of a patrol car means you're guilty.

And who says they have to be found guilty and prosecuted for a crime before you can suspend someone?

We suspended players for 6+ games for "breaking team rules" last year. No arrests necessary. You know it is possible to put out the fires before the forest burns down.

[BamaGrad03 0]

I'm just saying, let's wait until all the facts come out. If all that was reported actually happened, then I expect punishments to be handed out accordingly. And that's what the overwhelming majority of the people on the Tuscaloosa news forum were saying.

Why is that so awful?

[GalensGhost 0]

I'm just saying, let's wait until all the facts come out. If all that was reported actually happened, then I expect punishments to be handed out accordingly. And that's what the overwhelming majority of the people on the Tuscaloosa news forum were saying.

Why is that so awful?

Overwhelming?

[WAR-MATT 2]

If half of what is floating around really happened? He should be kicked off the team.

[tiger88 934]

They were charged with misdemeanors. I guess we should throw them in prison for the next 10 years.

You are always so quick to rationalize a defense for bama. Rationalizations are too easy. There is always one to be found.

Lets just be thankful these losers were stopped. If all they can score is underage girls someone might want to encourage them to whack off a little more when the hormones are raging.

Underage meaning not 21. Roy Upchurch is 21, the girl he was trying to get in could have been 20. What's the problem?

Damn! I thought they were trying to get underaged girls into their car and were stopped by nearby bouncers. In that case they woulda have to had been young to get the bouncers involved. I thought I had a good joke .

[bellefay1 1]

3rd player arrested

http://www.tidesports.com/article/20070716...S/70716015/1011

sidenote:

that does look like david caruso in "Jade."

[WAR-MATT 2]

Could be two more. They were five guys involved in the ruckus with the police.

[The Prowler 1]

It would surprise the hell out of me if $abahr doesn't discipline All of the players that are involved. The report said that 5 uat players were involved, but so far only 3 have been arrested. I'll bet ya a wooden nickel that J. Johns and D. Waldrop were the remaining two... or I maybe S. Castille. Those are just guesses though. But, whatever the discipline is, No One should question the AWW of SaChrist. Because it is He that is the Judge, Jury, And The Executioner.

[BamaGrad03 0]

It would surprise the hell out of me if $abahr doesn't discipline All of the players that are involved. The report said that 5 uat players were involved, but so far only 3 have been arrested. I'll bet ya a wooden nickel that J. Johns and D. Waldrop were the remaining two... or I maybe S. Castille. Those are just guesses though. But, whatever the discipline is, No One should question the AWW of SaChrist. Because it is He that is the Judge, Jury, And The Executioner.

Weak. Simeon isn't a bad kid. He talks a lot of trash on the field. But not as much as David Irons. Jimmy Johns got in trouble for not going to class, to my knowledge Demarcus hasn't ever gotten into major trouble.

[Tiger in Spain 0]

Maybe they should have tried this down at the Bama Breeze. I hear the bouncer, Brady, lets the ladies in free with the fake ID's.

[jumbo 0]

It would surprise the hell out of me if $abahr doesn't discipline All of the players that are involved. The report said that 5 uat players were involved, but so far only 3 have been arrested. I'll bet ya a wooden nickel that J. Johns and D. Waldrop were the remaining two... or I maybe S. Castille. Those are just guesses though. But, whatever the discipline is, No One should question the AWW of SaChrist. Because it is He that is the Judge, Jury, And The Executioner.

So you think he will give the players the death penalty? Your post was not weak by the way

[AUJarhead 70]

lets the ladies in free with the fake ID's.

Maybe they were thinking that once arrested, The tip jar paid his bail?