Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 According to some experts Trumps hardline rhetoric, sanctions, show of force and some behind the scene pressure from China brought NK to the negotiating table. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/07/trumps-sanctions-and-hardline-rhetoric-brought-north-korea-to-negotiating-table-experts-say.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,396 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Yeah! That's something "people are saying"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Trying to deflect from porn star payouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, alexava said: Trying to deflect from porn star payouts Trying to deflect? There’s an entire separate thread of whining over the porn star. Is every post not about the porn star a “deflection” now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 8:04 PM, homersapien said: Yeah! That's something "people are saying"! Thanks Obama!! Didn’t you hear? Obama set up the meeting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 54 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Trying to deflect? There’s an entire separate thread of whining over the porn star. Is every post not about the porn star a “deflection” now? Trump is deflecting not this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,396 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Thanks Obama!! Didn’t you hear? Obama set up the meeting!! WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, alexava said: Trump is deflecting not this thread. Gotcha Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, homersapien said: WTF? Thanks obama! (Right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Bringing in Bolton puts a new twist on this. Not sure this is just posturing .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,162 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Trumps hard line with North Korea, China, and Russia as far as illicit trace with North Korea and saying that military action is on the table is the impetus behind the meeting. Assuming the meeting does occur. His bringing on Bolton doubles down on his hard line. Now only time will tell if this a master stroke that has really changed the dynamic on the Korean Peninsula or if what he has done leads to some type of military action that has the potential to be catastrophic. At this time it appears to be progress but when dealing with North Korea you never know as they don't always act rationally which is the wildcard. I wish this hard line had been done a few Presidents back before they had the nuclear option. With them having the nuclear option now it will be a catastrophe if this backfires but even if he had not taken the hard line their was still a potential for a catastrophe because a leader who seems to be irrational has the nuclear option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, AuburnNTexas said: Trumps hard line with North Korea, China, and Russia as far as illicit trace with North Korea and saying that military action is on the table is the impetus behind the meeting. Assuming the meeting does occur. His bringing on Bolton doubles down on his hard line. Now only time will tell if this a master stroke that has really changed the dynamic on the Korean Peninsula or if what he has done leads to some type of military action that has the potential to be catastrophic. At this time it appears to be progress but when dealing with North Korea you never know as they don't always act rationally which is the wildcard. I wish this hard line had been done a few Presidents back before they had the nuclear option. With them having the nuclear option now it will be a catastrophe if this backfires but even if he had not taken the hard line their was still a potential for a catastrophe because a leader who seems to be irrational has the nuclear option. Remove the American lens, and try to consider North Korea's perspective. Reality is that nothing Trump has said, publicly at least, has anything to do with North Korea's actions. North Korea has always wanted to be at the negotiating table, and have long considered a nuclear program to be their strongest bargaining chip at the table. North Korea is now in the position where they have nuclear weapons, means to deliver nuclear weapons on a target, and everyone knows it and is acting accordingly. They are in the strongest negotiating position that they have ever been in, and they know it. They are certainly not cowering in fear from more bellicose rhetoric and posturing from the United States, they have been hearing that in one form or another since Eisenhower was President. To North Korea, a meeting with the President of the United States is legitimizing them, and their position. Tactically, nuclear weapons are useless to North Korea. If they ever made any attempt to deploy one, they would be annihilated in response, and they know that. None of the Kim's have been interested at all in annihilation. The only use North Korea has ever had for nuclear weapons is a strong international bargaining chip first, and a strategic deterrent second. Their experience with the United States and the Agreed Framework will also make them vary wary of anything we have to say. While they are widely considered irrational, North Korea has actually been consistently rational, given their position and objectives. I doubt military action results, or I at least hope someone wise is in a position to remove Trump from that ledge. I do hope something good comes from it, but North Korea already knows that we cannot be trusted. If we think there will be a one-sided, completely favorable agreement, we will be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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