Where did Malzahn fail and get us where we are?

[AU-24 3,105]

17 hours ago, The Six said:

This was the story but no one really believes that. 

Really?

[Notjeffco 13]

10 hours ago, CleCoTiger said:

Not to be flip. but I know which NFL team Barber plays for.  Where does Robinson play these days?

There is often a big difference in a great college running back vs a great NFL RB. Many of them translate to both, but not always.

[Eagle-1 3,821]

1 hour ago, Swamp Eagle said:

Regardless of what the feelings on Gus are, collectively, I would think that ALL Auburn people would hope for him to turn it around and not subscribe to the "if continuing to lose gets him gone sooner, I'm for it" nonsense. If the losses continue (as I expect them to as long as he is HC), he'll eventually be gone; I just refuse to 'hope for it' at the expense of the team. 

Never said I hope for the team to fail either. Just don't come at me with the cum by ya mantra about how much Maalzahn loves Auburn. I love Auburn too, but my loyalty didn't require 49 million dollars.

[The Six 39]

28 minutes ago, AU-24 said:

Really?

It's well-established that Jacobs wanted Gus and they remained close after Gus went to Arkansas. The committee was there like most of them are - to put a good face on it. 

Kirby Smart impressed everybody but they balked when he wanted to coach Bama through the national championship game. Made the decision to go with Malzahn easier.

[Swamp Eagle 5,144]

31 minutes ago, Eagle-1 said:

Never said I hope for the team to fail either. Just don't come at me with the cum by ya mantra about how much Maalzahn loves Auburn. I love Auburn too, but my loyalty didn't require 49 million dollars.

I wasn't accusing you personally, E-1. This part of the thread just seemed like a good opportunity to interject that.

 

I totally get what you're saying.

[Swamp Eagle 5,144]

14 minutes ago, The Six said:

 

Kirby Smart impressed everybody but they balked when he wanted to coach Bama through the national championship game. Made the decision to go with Malzahn easier.

Which still baffles me. Why would that be an unreasonable request?

[The Six 39]

1 minute ago, Swamp Eagle said:

Which still baffles me. Why would that be an unreasonable request?

I know, right? I think that became the convenient excuse to declare Gus the winner because he was ready to get on a plane within the hour of being hired. 

[Swamp Eagle 5,144]

Just now, The Six said:

I know, right? I think that became the convenient excuse to declare Gus the winner because he was ready to get on a plane within the hour of being hired. 

I think you are correct. Kirby could have said, "I want to come YESTERDAY and get started!" and JJ would have questioned his loyalty as a coach for not wanting to finish out the season with Alabama.

[Swamp Eagle 5,144]

12 hours ago, DAG said:

did anyone else see this? Ha ha 

”They probably going to fire me.”

Could also be fine.

 

Who is a professional lip reader around  here 

I am.

My training started in church when I was about 5 years old. Mama had to mouth behavioral instructions to me for years and in each instance, I was eventually able to figure out what she was saying.

My training continued through grammar school & HS, especially during assemblies in the auditorium. I knew exactly what the headmaster was saying when my eyes met his while a speaker was at the podium and he caught me not paying attention.

In later years, being married has offered a tremendous opportunity during those occasions when my wife wants to get a point across and not be heard. It's been quite effective.

You now know my credentials.

With that, I can unequivocally state that Gus is saying "fine" and not "fire." 

 

[keesler 5,924]

13 hours ago, aucom96 said:

Gus’ philosophy has always been about capitalizing on mistakes. His offense counts on misalignments and (until the rules changed) substitution advantages created by pace. Speed is constant in this league and the top coaches adjust. Gus feels there is no need to adjust because the scheme is the answer. His initial defensive approach was pitifully loose and soft. I suspect changes there were forced on him. He has recruited a random patchwork of athletes over specialists. He has failed to build an infrastructure and that may take several recruiting cycles to repair. It’s not going to get better. These schemes are built as bandaids for smaller programs to overcome temporary talent advantages. We are not a small time program and the talent advantages we face are not temporary. If you try and take a passive work around to success in this league, you’ll be sitting in the back pretty quickly. I think we’re just at the start of paying the price of taking that route with Gus.

Lord have Mercy - you've nailed the dang thing. 

Gus' core is high school, it's a scheme built as quick fix and a band-aid for programs that operate with a talent and size disadvantage.  Auburn has the ability to draw top shelf talent and Gus has brought it in for years, but he doesn't know how to coach from the drivers seat of a program of AU's caliber in the best conference in the country.  He only knows how to scheme and operate as an under-dog with a talent deficit resulting in trickeration/misalignments/fast pace/movement in attempt to catch the opponent off balance/off guard.  He'll never learn how to operate with this talent at an SEC level consistently because of his background.  

[jAUSon 2,836]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:02 AM, jAUSon said:

Good luck with your thread.

My bad @AUCE05, this ended up being a nice thread.

I agree with everything in here except the one guy trusts CGM's decision to forfeit games running Barber instead of blowing peoples ass off with Jovon R. You can't bait us into saying we don't like Peyton Barber. We love our players. But Jovon would've won those games. Blowing a game is CGM's m.o.. Long-gone is the assumption he has the best players on the field. He doesn't. I'm wondering at this point about Harold Joiner. Probably a pure monster far as we know.

Also, I'm inclined to be emotionally attached and feel sorry for the guy......until remembering how him and sexton hoodwinked us last year. Guy who lost four games with the number one squad in all of college football, held us hostage for a contract. Far as I'm concerned he can eat shart.

 

[Auctoritas 2,828]

One thing I'm surprised I've not seen: He doesn't coach. Watch Saban or Smart or Dabo or Mullen or Jimbo or Matt Campbell or Steve Addazio or Josh Heupel or on and on and on. When someone screws up on the field, as soon as they come off the coach is up next to them first to chew them out, and then to fix the problem. I don't see ANY of that on our sidelines. Instead, I see Stidham wander to the sidelines while watching the jumbotron.

If it were me, he wouldn't have that opportunity. He'd be scared to look anywhere except for where I was on the sidelines.

[DAG 33,997]

16 minutes ago, Auctoritas said:

One thing I'm surprised I've not seen: He doesn't coach. Watch Saban or Smart or Dabo or Mullen or Jimbo or Matt Campbell or Steve Addazio or Josh Heupel or on and on and on. When someone screws up on the field, as soon as they come off the coach is up next to them first to chew them out, and then to fix the problem. I don't see ANY of that on our sidelines. Instead, I see Stidham wander to the sidelines while watching the jumbotron.

If it were me, he wouldn't have that opportunity. He'd be scared to look anywhere except for where I was on the sidelines.

Been saying this forever. Even more baffling, the players don't even go to him. I hardly ever see him or JS chat about anything on the sideline.

[ToraGirl 5,498]

If Coach Malzahn were being held SERIOUSLY accountable for at least improvement if not guaranteed results, then it stands to reason that the players would be...but the soft impression trickles from the top, if the fruit is anything to inspect...or the lack of it...

I'm with the camp whose greatest injustice is the inconceivable loss to teams we shouldn't, which results in the loss of hope, which leads to the lack of interest....a domino effect Auburn can ill afford.

Because I believe in Auburn and I love it...it's time.  At least, have mercy, a new rubric for measuring and enforcing some sort of trickle-down accountability.  It's the hopelessness I can't stand anymore.

[augolf1716 21,221]

Too much for me to say.........................I could go on and on.............................. simple fact is Gus thinks he's the smartest coach in the SEC and by god the most stubborn coach I've ever met and I have seen/met a hell of a lot of coaches.

Makes me physically ill to watch a game especially the second half unless we're playing the Sisters of St Mary. My high school coach could come up with a defensive scheme to stop Gus in 10 minutes

[AU-24 3,105]

9 hours ago, The Six said:

It's well-established that Jacobs wanted Gus and they remained close after Gus went to Arkansas. The committee was there like most of them are - to put a good face on it. 

Kirby Smart impressed everybody but they balked when he wanted to coach Bama through the national championship game. Made the decision to go with Malzahn easier.

I was being sarcastic genius.

[jAUSon 2,836]

1 hour ago, ToraGirl said:

If Coach Malzahn were being held SERIOUSLY accountable for at least improvement if not guaranteed results, then it stands to reason that the players would be...but the soft impression trickles from the top, if the fruit is anything to inspect...or the lack of it...

I'm with the camp whose greatest injustice is the inconceivable loss to teams we shouldn't, which results in the loss of hope, which leads to the lack of interest....a domino effect Auburn can ill afford.

Because I believe in Auburn and I love it...it's time.  At least, have mercy, a new rubric for measuring and enforcing some sort of trickle-down accountability.  It's the hopelessness I can't stand anymore.

Rubrik, lol. School teach much?

[AU-24 3,105]

42 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

Too much for me to say.........................I could go on and on.............................. simple fact is Gus thinks he's the smartest coach in the SEC and by god the most stubborn coach I've ever met and I have seen/met a hell of a lot of coaches.

Makes me physically ill to watch a game especially the second half unless we're playing the Sisters of St Mary. My high school coach could come up with a defensive scheme to stop Gus in 10 minutes

I can’t disagree with any of that. My question remains, how on earth did this guy beat Alabama and Georgia last year?

Then my next question is: how did he beat Alabama and Georgia, then go on to lose to Central Florida? I just don’t get it.

[ToraGirl 5,498]

6 minutes ago, jAUSon said:

Rubrik, lol. School teach much?

Daily. And the level of accountability to which I gladly rise makes me even more irate about the lack of accountability I see where Auburn is concerned. Would put my results on the comparison line anyday, as well as the standards themselves. A rubric is definitely warranted. 🤗😉

[augolf1716 21,221]

1 hour ago, AU-24 said:

I can’t disagree with any of that. My question remains, how on earth did this guy beat Alabama and Georgia last year?

Then my next question is: how did he beat Alabama and Georgia, then go on to lose to Central Florida? I just don’t get it.

We would all like to know.................just Gus being Gus I guess

[AU-24 3,105]

3 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

We would all like to know.................just Gus being Gus I guess

 That is as good an explanation as anything else.

[meh130 1,043]

I thought about this about a month ago.

I have seen several sports reporters describe Malzahn as very stubborn. The most stubborn coach they have reported on.

Wisdom is the one thing that makes a coach a survivor.

Wisdom comes with experience. Wisdom requires experience.

Stubbornness is detrimental to the development of wisdom, but experience often generates stubbornness. People find comfort in familiarity, they get stuck in their ways. This is why wisdom is elusive.

Humility is beneficial to the development of wisdom, but humility is rare.

Most successful head football coaches are stubborn, but few can survive long-term without realizing the limits of stubbornness.

In 1985 Pat Dye was forced to fire his friend, former college roommate, and defensive coordinator, Frank Orgel. Orgel served on Dye's staff from 1974 to 1985 except for one year. Dye had to fire his offensive coordinator, Jack Crowe, who had been with him for five years. He had to abandon the Wishbone and triple option offense, which Dye had been an advocate of for many years. The half move from the Wishbone to the I-formation option in 1985 was stubbornness. Jettisoning it for a pro-style Pat Sullivan/Larry Blakney offense was humility.

Tommy Tubberville making the half move to hire Tony Franklin but keep the barbecue boys was stubbornness. Tommy Tubberville going all-in on Air Raid at Texas Tech was humility.

Gus has not had a humility moment yet, to break his stubbornness. Winning a $49M contract has probably made him even more stubborn. When he gets fired, when every image of him is removed from Auburn media, then perhaps he will reset, and reestablish himself.

[AU-HANDLEY-TIGER 205]

13 hours ago, Eagle-1 said:

Never said I hope for the team to fail either. Just don't come at me with the cum by ya mantra about how much Maalzahn loves Auburn. I love Auburn too, but my loyalty didn't require 49 million dollars.

It sure feels like it was close for me and the tuition I paid them 😂