TexasTiger 12,961 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Regardless of party, will be his/her own conscience. Republicans are on the verge of saying almost anything goes. ”The ramifications are striking and could have long-term implications. The argument suggests senators believe a U.S. president can use taxpayer dollars to pressure an ally to investigate an American citizen who happens to be challenging him for president, without any repercussions. Most Republicans have also notably refused to say publicly whether they even believe Trump’s actions were appropriate, with some Republicans growing angry when reporters press them for a simple answer.” Before Trump, there was bi-partisan support this was wrong. In fact, as recently as We October Lindsey Graham said, “ "If you could show me that Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing" — Graham in October on "Axios on HBO" https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-gop-seizes-on-dershowitz-argument-says-trumps-actions-not-impeachable/2020/01/28/cde059a8-41f9-11ea-b5fc-eefa848cde99_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,158 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 They're riding this ship all the way to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Actually it's worse than that. The Trump campaign (Trump's son) welcomed the offer of political aid from another country in a US election. Such an offer should have been immediately reported to the FBI. Trump himself has also suggested he would accept political aid from another country if offered. That alone is worth condemnation and sanctions, much less actively soliciting such aid. Now, Trump and his lawyers are arguing that actively trying to coerce political campaign aid from a foreign country is acceptable. Both are a terrible precedents for the country and another example of the damage a Trump presidency has wrought on our system. Because we are a global power, our national elections will become global elections. Sort of ironic when you consider the disdain Trump supporters have for globalism, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Guess you don’t care much about fake dossiers, lying to a FISA court, inserting spies in a campaign, all orchestrated by the directors of the CIA, FBI, and DOJ. And still lost the election!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 hours ago, homersapien said: Actually it's worse than that. The Trump campaign (Trump's son) welcomed the offer of political aid from another country in a US election. Such an offer should have been immediately reported to the FBI. Trump himself has also suggested he would accept political aid from another country if offered. That alone is worth condemnation and sanctions, much less actively soliciting such aid. Now, Trump and his lawyers are arguing that actively trying to coerce political campaign aid from a foreign country is acceptable. Both are a terrible precedents for the country and another example of the damage a Trump presidency has wrought on our system. Because we are a global power, our national elections will become global elections. Sort of ironic when you consider the disdain Trump supporters have for globalism, huh? At the risk of picking yet another rant fest: What was the 1996 Clinton-Gore Campaign taking just tons of cash from Chinese nationals from money collectors and Chinese Monks directly? That was illegal/forbidden. Nothing was said about a Foreign Govt influencing the 1996 Election. . https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/22/opinion/al-gore-and-the-temple-of-cash.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, DKW 86 said: At the risk of picking yet another rant fest: What was the 1996 Clinton-Gore Campaign taking just tons of cash from Chinese nationals from money collectors and Chinese Monks directly? That was illegal/forbidden. Nothing was said about a Foreign Govt influencing the 1996 Election. . https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/22/opinion/al-gore-and-the-temple-of-cash.html Crickets. Wow, well done DKW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, jj3jordan said: Crickets. Wow, well done DKW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Classic whataboutism. Let's deal with the president in-hand before going after candidates in the past. And that just illustrates a different problem - money in politics. Money is fungible and there will likely always be illegal money in politics, no matter what the candidate does. But if they knew they were accepting illegal money, they should have been charged and tried, win or lose. Regardless, it's not like Clinton-Gore were using taxpayer funds to solicit campaign assistance while simultaneously threatening national security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Homer never likes whataboutism. Exposes the left who in the vast majority of cases has or is actually doing what they are accusing us on the right of doing. Homer knows I'm not smart enough to know what it is but there is a word for accusing others of exactly what you are guilty of. My guess is you couldn't lure Homer into a discussion of Chinese money from Charlie Trie and the active duty Red Army Lt Col in the '90s when it was happening. Probably would have said we were chasing wild conspiracy theories. Good strategy, just refuse to discuss a case on the merits if it makes you a little uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I am NOT defending the Republican Party. I was a member for 25 years, 1980 to 2005. They are about as vacuous and rhetorically meaningless as is allowed in the human condition. Today, the Dems deal in some really good rewriting of history. Gore, in what I personally will recall as THE MOST CALLOUSED WANTON DISPLAY OF BALDERDASH IN MY LIFETIME claimed that he couldnt be held accountable for taking $Ms from supposedly Impoverished Chinese Monks because..."THERE WAS NO CONTROLLING LEGAL AUTHORITY"...LIKE THE FEC. Therefore, he could not be held responsible for making solicitation calls on the Naval Observatory's phone lines that were paid for by taxpayers, nor 101+ other FEC Illegal Actions. BTW< right after all this, the Chinese were given permission to launch our W-88 Tech systems, by WJC, and all that technology suddenly got into their hands overnite. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/op030797.htm https://www.nationalreview.com/2009/08/remember-no-controlling-legal-authority-andrew-c-mccarthy/ https://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/04/us/gore-says-he-did-nothing-illegal-in-soliciting-from-white-house.html https://www.c-span.org/video/?79330-1/fund-raising-telephone-calls https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Dialing-For-Excuses-Gore-s-Weak-Response-2851021.php etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 19 hours ago, jj3jordan said: Homer never likes whataboutism. Exposes the left who in the vast majority of cases has or is actually doing what they are accusing us on the right of doing. Homer knows I'm not smart enough to know what it is but there is a word for accusing others of exactly what you are guilty of. My guess is you couldn't lure Homer into a discussion of Chinese money from Charlie Trie and the active duty Red Army Lt Col in the '90s when it was happening. Probably would have said we were chasing wild conspiracy theories. Good strategy, just refuse to discuss a case on the merits if it makes you a little uncomfortable. Well, you got one thing right, Mr. Whatabout.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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